Mr. Teets

[quote name='tamerlane' timestamp='1289325733' post='2508243'] No. You're completely disregarding the standards by which diplomacy has been conducted throughout the history of this game. They could have spoken to their friends in Polar and STA and grievances, on their behalf, could have been brought to us (probably elbubu or archon) without the need for public forum. Because they decided to disregard the standard practices and take the low road, we are understandably angered and have responded accordingly. [/quote] So you're butthurt that they showed everybody that you messed up? I'm still not seeing how that entitles you to reps.

[quote name='tamerlane' timestamp='1289325256' post='2508227'] Couldn't be any further from the truth. NSO set up the situation for us to press our demand by coming to this forum and dragging us through the dirt as opposed to resolving this civilly. Do you honestly think that if cooler minds had re-approached the issue, in private, this would be the outcome? [/quote] If it had stayed private you could demand anything you wanted and the world would never have known. As it is your King even acknowledged that you made a mistake, but because they brought this to light you're going to go through with it anyway. If you were upset that they showed the world something that painted you in a bad light, perhaps you should have avoided doing that in the first place?

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1289324179' post='2508200'] That doesn't change anything to what I've said, are you dense? Say we ZI the guy. He's at 130 infrastructure. It will take us a week max and we'll hear non-stop about how we're monsters because we actually ZI people. Unless we PZI him (and then all of you, countless idiots, will be up in arms), in one week, they can take him back, right? Even then, all he has to do is hide in disguise (OOC: reroll, he already did it once after all). His nation is worth nothing. They can then take him back without any harm. So yeah, we went with the only option where they couldn't, you know, do like they do usually and entirely dodge responsibility for their actions and the actions of their members. Not our fault if, by that point, they forgot how to negotiate. [/quote] I was under the impression ZI was still used for nations who wronged your alliance, and nobody is up in arms over that. And usually that's how the punishment is dealt with. The nation who harmed you gets ZI, you don't threaten the alliance that gave you permission to pummel him. You decided who they were allowed to protect and let go, last I checked it was their AA, shouldn't that decision be theirs? If they want to let a member be attacked instead of protecting him, that's their decision. He most likely wouldn't come back, and you would only be speculating to say that he would. All you wanted out of this was to extort some money out of NSO, which you've done. I hope the PR war you lost was worth it.

[quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1289320937' post='2508151'] I for one am not trying to defend what MK did - I am simply pointing out how NSO could have done much better for themselves (both in the PR stakes and in pragmatic terms). They would have come off as far more sympathetic, and would have been much more likely to get a positive reaction out of MK, had they approached this in good faith.[/quote] You demand outrageous reps and now complain that they weren't sympathetic? Here's a tissue. [quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1289321436' post='2508158']We were told to go after RV because your two other members stonewalled the negotiation for 1h30 and were unable to recognize simple facts such as these: 1)Guy is on your AA; 2)Guy is masked on your forums; 3)Therefore MK thinks guy is a member. I'm quite sure that 99% of alliances out there would have agreed with us. I'm sorry if I don't take Siths at their word when I have evidence pointing to the contrary. "No, trust us, he's not a member, he's just, well, masked you know! It happens!"[/quote] No, I think 99% of alliances would drop the issue when NSO said he was no longer a member. Masked or not, they said they weren't protecting him, unless alliances are responsible for ghosts now...

[quote name='Cager' timestamp='1289234164' post='2506154']So for future reference folks, keep in mind if you discuss something with RV in backroom channels, there's a big chance it'll end up plastered here if he doesn't like what you have to say. [/quote] Don't say anything that paints you in a bad light and you don't have to worry if it gets posted on the OWF. It's pretty simple really. Poor show MK, those nations can't go one cycle with less than ideal trades? I've had bad trades for over a year, how much do you think you could get me from the alliances the members who deleted on me were from?

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1289206157' post='2505927'] Interesting; how long after we left Purple did you decide to follow our advice, Hydra? Could've avoided a lot of pointless drama. Oh well; good luck anyway. [/quote] Interesting; I don't remember you saying anything about this. Oh well; you left. Good luck to you anyway

[quote name='Jacapo Saladin' timestamp='1289180879' post='2505538'] It was either do this or make a 10,000 x 10,000 image treaty which is impossible to read but becoming the norm anyway. We picked this. [/quote] *YOU* picked this. >_>

Let the records show that Joshsname signed this treaty. Also o/ SLCB o/ Hydra

Congrats on getting this finalized. And to Aetherius of course

[quote name='KingEd' timestamp='1288739773' post='2500192'] Pacifica is slacking or lacking a lot of Uranium. I'm pretty sure their Nuclear cap is a bit over 5000 nukes. And Hydra is on some nuclear drugs for gaining so many nukes in such a small amount of time for an AA of its size. GL to the final 8. [/quote] Sadly I'm expecting us to be eliminated tonight, unless something amazing happens. I'm happy to have made it to the final 8 though. I never could have expected it. Thanks SCY for putting this on.

[quote name='President S O' timestamp='1288573236' post='2498529'] I can't promise anything, except I'll be careful. [/quote] This is why we can't have nice things! Also congrats to the new Olympus gov. Especially Blazer!

Sorry IRON Though I never expected that we'd have made it this far. Even if I don't see us going any farther, I'm happy with what we've accomplished.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1288412870' post='2496947'] Well to be honest I haven't used tie breakers except for the final day, and even then its been only when I need to know who moves on. Otherwise this exercise would take far too long. [/quote] I was just checking, this round is pretty close. Thanks again.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1288410108' post='2496868'] [left][size="6"][color="#000000"][size="4"]7[/size][/color] [b][color="#FF9900"][size="4"]Independent Republic Of Orange Nations[/size][/color][/b] [color="#000000"][size="4"]1725[/size][/color] [color="#000000"][size="4"]1737[/size][/color] [color="#00FF00"][size="4"]12[/size][/color] [/size][/left][left][size="6"][color="#000000"][size="4"]8[/size][/color] [b][color="#800080"][size="4"]Hydra[/size][/color][/b] [color="#000000"][size="4"]589[/size][/color] [color="#000000"][size="4"]601[/size][/color] [color="#00FF00"][size="4"]12[/size][/color] [/size][/left] [/quote] [quote]In the event of a tie in net change over a round, the tie breaker between the involved alliances will be the net change over the entire competition.[/quote] Shouldn't we technically be ahead of IRON? Just double checking to make sure. Good show so far SCY.

[quote name='Squid33' timestamp='1288243439' post='2494978'] Come on Hydra rep purple! We fought hard, we just got to many of us maxed out to early, if only we have a hundred more members [/quote] We had a member leave us so I'm happy to see us still in.

My money is on TNG. o/ TNG, lets represent Purple

Congrats on everything GK, TOOL was my first home and I've always held it in high regard. Enjoy your retirement, you've certainly earned it.

Iron Curtain with 3 of the top 6 spots.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1287540296' post='2488221'][left][color="#FF8C00"][size=3][font="Arial"]TPE[/font][/size][/color][size=3][font="Arial"] and [/font][/size][color="#800080"][size=3][font="Arial"]Hydra [/font][/size][/color][size=3][font="Arial"]use steroids. You heard it here first. [/font][/size][/left][/quote] You've caught us D: Should have started this round 2 days ago and we'd have had more >_>

Bumpdate! Just passed 2mil NS, 80 members, always looking for more awesome people!

Sad to see you go FnKa, best wishes to all of you in the future. If you need anything you know where I am.

I'm from Small Town, Indiana too, but you had twice as many students as we did. Recently our basketball team has sucked, but 5 or 6 years ago we had a team that was actually pretty good. Almost makes me miss high school ball.

I was half expecting this to be about his reason for war too Don't hurt him too bad, he still owes me 50 tech >_>

[quote name='shadeybob' timestamp='1286586571' post='2479257']OFLC will be merging into Hydra, so any thoughts of raiding should be dismissed. Hydra will be protecting the AA for the next two weeks to allow our members to make the transition. [/quote] ^This. It'll be sad to see OFLC go, I was happy to call you allies. Glad to have you with us though Shadey, now we can bug Jac all the time!

Jacapo raged at me because you didn't mention him. Thumbs up buddy!