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[quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1281892519' post='2416763'] "Most" would be a stretch. If you honestly think we're sitting over here going "Man, this blew up in our faces ... look at all that backlash!", you are wrong. [/quote] You mean you haven't realized it yet? Thought you lot were a bit brighter than that... [quote] The detractors are for the most part the usual suspects and the expected crowd that comes out to boo and hiss at "this side" of the web.[/quote] Guess they just realized that there really isn't much to cheer for.

[quote]Once a trade sanction is created all non-secret trades between the sanctioned nation and the sanctioning team will be automatically canceled. [/quote] Secret trade offers are not affected by sanctions.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281847258' post='2416355'] I'm aware NPO cancelled it; I'm simply saying GATO should've gotten rid of it long ago. [/quote] Seriously, consider changing your avatar to this: [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YdQ1CROfumQ/SxLpFfSFKOI/AAAAAAAAAQE/g9VVl0yBglo/s1600/broken-record.jpg[/img] Best of luck GATO

[quote name='Viking' timestamp='1281659661' post='2413492'] I don't claim I hate the practices, I hate the people. You can tell me I can't do something all you want, I guess. [/quote] The same people you barely even know? Or perhaps mindlessly believing what propaganda tells you to believe? Well I suppose ignorance can be bliss.

[quote name='Tungsten' timestamp='1281658783' post='2413480'] How is it "round about"? Seems like "we consider aiding him to be an act of war" is pretty much to the point. If there's an apple lying on the table, and I tell you "if you pick up that apple I'm going to punch you in the face", when you go ahead and pick up the apple don't be surprised when I punch you in the face. (if you couldn't tell; I'm RoK, you're NSO, and Sedrick is the apple). If NSO really wanted Sedrick for some reason, they should've worked that out with TENE/RoK before accepting him. Its pretty standard practice on planet bob to not accept new members until they've resolved their disputes with other alliances... because it can lead to situations like the one we find ourselves in right now. NSO are not bad people, their leaders just made the mistake of thinking they had the upper hand and could do things without incurring the promised consequences. You can debate whether RoK was "right"/"justified"/"valid"/"moral"/whatever-word-you-want or not till the cows come home, but that's not going to change anything. As I see it, this war is being fought as a sign that RoK means what they say, and that what they say should be taken seriously. Hoo told Heft that aid sent to that nation would be considered an act of war. Aid was sent to the nation... seems like NSO expected RoK to back down and "use diplomacy to work things out" instead of staying true to their word. Agree or disagree, the bottom line is Hoo spelled it out in plain English. At that point, the ball was in NSO's court. [/quote] Not exactly the correct timeline of events here, since the "apple" was only on the table after RoK had already begun to look up the recipe for apple cider before it was even on the table. NSO simply said, I'm hungry, and I want to eat that apple. RoK got upset because they had already claimed ownership of said apple.

[quote name='Van Hoo III' timestamp='1281633980' post='2412873'] He told you himself he was going to be attacked [b]before[/b] he was accepted, and yes we did come to you about it. We were pretty much told that you guys would decide if he is a rogue or not ... which is actually pretty damn ridiculous. Again, you guys interjected yourselves into something that did not concern you. [/quote] [quote]Session Start: Sat Aug 07 22:02:17 2010 [22:02] <Heft> Hi 11[22:02] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Hello [22:03] <Heft> Your guys are attacking a new member of ours: http://www.cybernati...ation_ID=410982 [22:03] <Heft> I'd prefer if that didn't happen[/quote] I'm sorry but isn't that clearly not the case according to these logs?

[IMG]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z32/enderwiggin_2007/Karmaleaks.jpg[/IMG] The new NPO sig kinda insuiates your own alliance being on the other side of the closed blinds and not us so you really lost me on that one...

[quote name='Rongue' timestamp='1281452489' post='2409662'] Correct me if I am wrong but at the time NSO did not know this so they still made an act of war. Don't say it wont matter because it dose. Basicaly NSO started the war by aiding him. Even if he was at fault then NSO would have still aided him. NSO did not know if he was guilty or not but NSO aided him anyways. All they had to do was prove he was not a rouge but they did not do that, they just thought they could do what they wanted and have no backlash. Also Heft was an idoit. I honestly feel sorry for a few NSO members. Yes if Tene would not have screwed up this war might not have happened, but NSO share's blame too, more infact. If it did not happen now I am sure with NSO acting the way they did they would have started a war soon enough anyways. Bye bye NSO. [/quote] One should not have to prove that someone isn't a rogue, it should be proven that they are rogues. The fact that RoK's evidence on this is skeptical and full of holes is still under debate.

[quote]I would defend my ally. I understand that this concept is lost on you. Seriously, you guys need an mhawk to show you how it's done properly. Self-serving cowards, the lot of you. [/quote] Coming from the same person who sanctioned our members while in peace mode so his alliance could achieve their own personal agenda, these words are as believable to me as clinton's were when he said he didn't inhale.

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1281439902' post='2409505'] I'd guess that there'll be a cycle or maybe two of smashing out the SF-NSO tension that's been obvious for some time, and then since the rogue in question will have reached ZI through the normal effects of war by that time, some token reps and an apology, assuming NSO aren't as ridiculous about surrendering as they were in Bipolar. Also, two posts to mention 'we're not as bad as NPO'? Seriously? Ironic, too, considering RoK are about the only non-Hegemony alliance to actually have imposed a viceroy which seems to be your only argument. [/quote] It's evolution baby!

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281437156' post='2409478'] So basically, you admitted I didn't use argument from authority. [/quote] See edit. Too many windows can cause me some confusion.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281436320' post='2409469'] Do you lot not understand that stating that a victorious alliance has the power to do whatever they want when they win a war has nothing to do with arguments from authority? [/quote] It's infact been NPO's major problem from the get-go, too many victories and the power to do what ever they want. It's just very amusing that when the NPO does it, many people come on the forums to whine about how unfair it is, and yet when they are in an alliance that wins and has that power, they suddenly change they're minds and are ok with it.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281435677' post='2409458'] Please explain how the fact that a viceroy has the power to order an alliance to shift forums has anything to do with your argument from authority. [/quote] Holding a gun to one's head: argument from authority. Any other questions?

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281434840' post='2409447'] Argument from authority much? [/quote] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=90447&view=findpost&p=2409391 Sounds familiar?

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281433391' post='2409430'] Please reread the terms. He wasn't removed from government (assuming this particular clause is why you linked the Echelon terms.) Feel the full power of copy/paste: 10. Should Caffine1 rejoin Echelon he is permanently banned from holding any government position within the alliance. [/quote] Despite having previously to my membership in NPO being Echelon's MOFA, I'm quite confident that your knowledge of the events far surpasses mine, many apologies.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281432659' post='2409419'] .... viceroys, removals from government, forcible changes to the charters of defeated alliances, colossal reparations imposed for a casus belli as minor as 'you tech dealed with a person on eternal zero infrastructure without realising it', bullying, eternal wars, attacks on alliances which are still under terms...... SuperFriends and C&G aren't going to do this sort of thing in the near future, in my opinion. Certainly not to NSO. [/quote] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=62524 good thing for you that you said in the near future. Well played.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281430817' post='2409391'] The man holding the gun to your head, obviously. [/quote] Exactly the same type of posts everyone was crying about the NPO doing pre karma. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. When the time comes karma stops trotting out gibberish about how evil NPO was and realizes they are in fact no better, come and see me.

[quote name='leprecon' timestamp='1281430570' post='2409386'] Not true. The rules don't forbid viceroys, they forbid using real life things as spoils of war. Root forum access is giving someone control over an actual forum. This is like demanding something in RL as part of the terms. The viceroy could create a temporary forum, hereby completely avoiding this rule. [/quote] Well yes but who says the members actually have to use it? Only way that would work is if the members used both forums, and we all know how well that would work.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281429807' post='2409370'] Provided NSO's allies don't get involved, I think the reps will be relatively light. This isn't a major war, NSO isn't a large alliance, and Ragnarok and friends won't take much damage from them. They can't really demand enormous reparations anyway, as NSO can't pay them. I don't expect to see a Viceroy or anything like that either. SF aren't NPO. [/quote] You do know that Viceroys are no longer able to be used by [u]anyone [/u]due to the terms of service, yes? As for the op, I think everyone needs to sort out the logistics of how this whole war got started (the timeline of events concerning sedrick are still a bit fuzzy)

[quote name='the masheen' timestamp='1281417055' post='2409144'] SilentKiller, NSO is getting rolled by five alliances. NPO isn't doing anything about it. Those are the facts. Spin them however you want, you seem to be good at it. [/quote] Can't you see this is the land of confusion?

You left out the "can I blame NPO" part

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281314776' post='2405587'] Karma was about justice. Pacifica deserved what they got. Besides, their reps weren't that bad. They were in proportion to reps that Pacifica levied on those they defeated, and they were able to be paid in a timely fashion as far as I am aware. They could've been sooooo much worse. [/quote] Reparations of 350,000 tech and $10,000,000,000 are the largest in cn history, let me know when your alliance can move that much in the same amount of time. k thnx bye.

[quote name='ShinRa' timestamp='1280680374' post='2397137'] Typical really. A Pacifican apologising to his overlords for doing something morally correct for once. [/quote] 1: Former pacifican 2: Not his overlords 3: Good to know you'd be an easy surrender if your attacked 4: Not typical 5: Profit??? Best of luck in your travels Teeters

[quote name='ChairmanHal' date='20 July 2010 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1279674048' post='2381616'] Gramlins is now at 16 nations. When I started the Gramlins Death Watch in my blog on 14 May 2010, they were at 38 nations. This would be faster if they had...[url="http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/b/b8/Destructconstitution.ogg"]a nice red self destruct button[/url]! [img]http://www.techreaders.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Self-Destruct-Button.jpg[/img] [/quote] There's only four more for IRON and DAWN to toss into the meat grinder (five if temptation island comes out of peace mode).

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