Lusitan

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1342132063' post='3009387'] Is NG fighting all these alliances alone? Congrats! [/quote] Technically I believe we demolished Apparatus upper tier and hit a few nations here and there but yeah, it's undoubtedly a good job from NG.

[quote name='Jonathan Brookbank' timestamp='1342098694' post='3009105'] I will repeat myself once again, since you seem to be missing the point. ZombVE CHOSE to ignore any semblance of strategy in their headlong rush at the New Pacific Order. That was not GOD's decision. Ignorance of war strategy or choice to not use it in order to make this clearly politically motivated move on the part of ZombVE is 100% the actions of ZombVE. There is not a clause, to my knowledge, that states that ZombVE gets to ignore the honoring of a treaty by bailing on GOD simply because GOD knows how to use strategy and ZombVE doesn't. [/quote] I am fairly sure there is not a clause in VE's treaty that bound them to optionally defend GOD and to follow whatever idiotic strategy. The terms of VE entering sound like something GOD should have worked with VE before they entered, not !@#$%*ed about in the OWF after they lost 50% of their NS.

[quote name='Jonathan Brookbank' timestamp='1342097997' post='3009095'] It both is and isn't the issue? That makes absolutely no sense, no offense. As far as GOD adopting the strategy, they were using it when ZombVE entered the war. As I stated above, because ZombVE chose to fight with no strategy does not mean that they get to ignore the honoring of their treaty. [/quote] It making sense or not to you is not my problem. It's simple. There's nothing wrong with using Peace Mode as a tactic. There's something wrong with letting your ally who came in to defend you to take all the damage by using Peace Mode as a tactic. If it makes it clear for you: It's not wrong to run away to dodge aggression on you but it's absolutely wrong when your friend throws himself in front of you to defend you and you just keep running. [quote name='King Wally' timestamp='1342098440' post='3009101'] Say's the AA that has it's bottom teir in peace mode and its top teir out of attack range on a quiet south pacific beach while Deino's moon bases are being taken out left right and centre. Listen to yourself. You are standing knee deep in mud pointing a finger at the man next to you about his muddy shoes. I don't know if you realise this and are just making an attempt at PR or if you really have no perception of it. [/quote] We're supporting Deinos, don't worry. If Deinos surrenders and you see us complaining on the OWF how !@#$%* they are for leaving the battlefield early then you can come talk to me. In the meanwhile work a bit on your situation comprehension.

[quote name='Jonathan Brookbank' timestamp='1342097675' post='3009090'] Okay, so if peace mode isn't the issue here, then there is currently not a single war between GOD and NPO? That's what you're saying here. Seems to me that's probably a false statement on your part. [/quote] Peace mode is the issue in this situation, not as a tactic in abstract. In this concrete situation, adopting the Peace mode tactic had as consequence that VE to lose half its NS and most its upper tier fighting alone a fight they joined to defend GOD. Adopting the peace mode tactic while VE was getting smashed for them was dishonourable from GOD, not the tactic itself.

[quote name='Jonathan Brookbank' timestamp='1342097217' post='3009082'] The idea that so many on your side continue to push this peace mode "issue" is humorous at best (assuming you know you're attempting to blow smoke up everyone's backside) and ignorant at worst (if you are honestly unaware of the true happenings). Your side has used and continues to use the same exact tactic in war. It is an extremely common tactic that has been used for years on Planet Bob. As far as GOD "not fighting," it looks to me like they are still fighting and at war with numerous alliances, including the one that their so-called "ally" just got peace with. [/quote] I don't really care whether Peace Mode is used or not. That's irrelevant and a tactic. The point here is that you call out VE for being dishonourable for leaving the battlefield earlier than GOD when GOD actually never joined the said battlefield VE fought on because of their tactic.

[quote name='Jonathan Brookbank' timestamp='1342096039' post='3009069'] One does not honor a treaty by leaving the battlefield without your ally. Planet Bob has long regarded this as a dishonorable tactic. The honorable thing to do would be to remain at war until you can leave alongside your ally. ZombVE clearly had no intention of actually doing this, or else they would still be at war. [/quote] Then what should we call to GOD who stayed in Peace Mode while VE was actually fighting for them? Honour goes both directions and GOD failed to prove itself deserving of the selfless ally VE showed itself to be. If GOD is not fighting, VE shouldn't either. [quote name='King Wally' timestamp='1342096472' post='3009071'] geez... the peace mode !@#$%^&* is back... ok I'll go quote myself again if I must... http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=112143&st=40 http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Dave_War DH/CnG and Allys ■Peace Mode: ▲ 828 (25.63%) SF/XX and Allys ■Peace Mode: ▼ 622 (26.95%) After removing VE entirely from the stats you are left with ; SF/XX and Allys (VE removed) ■Peace Mode: ▼ 611 (28.89%) Get off your rediculous imaginary high horse with the peace mode insults your coalition is doing exactly the same thing. In fact you have more people in peace mode then us but only marginally fewer % wise and thats with you having the bloody stronger side! What are you afraid of hurting your fists during your No-CB beatdown? You say your bored... well guess what it's no bloody surprise your not doing anything of interest when you do everything in your power to replay the exact same war from 6 months ago only with less enthusiasm and "grudge". You want to be excited then stop crying about peace mode problems that your doing yourself and go let a war start that you dont already have the entire script written for 6 months ago, And for the record I have full respect for VE, they had a crack for their allys, sure they could of done more but they did a lot lot more then many other people would of if given the option between entering a tough war or e-lawyering a way to piggy back onto the easy side. Those AA's are a dime a dozen and you know who you are, VE isn't one of them. [/quote] It's not an insult. Hiding the upper tier in peace mode while their allies burn is a tactic. Running away from battle is a tactic. Calling it honourable is !@#$%* though. The percentage of people in peace mode is irrelevant. What matters is that an ally came in for GOD, they gave it all and GOD just watched from the sidelines as they burned and then !@#$%*ed when they decided that half their nation strength was sacrifice enough. Sure we have people in peace mode in the lower tiers, we're not doing what GOD did though.

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1342090770' post='3009028'] when you attacked us a second time simply because you were bored? yes, absolutely. [/quote] Then you're bigger dumbasses than I expected. We have no interest in keeping you at war for any long period but you sitting there in peace mode leaves us no other option.

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1342089823' post='3009014'] thing is, we arent going to get peace after 2 rounds if we do come out. [/quote] Do you actually think our point is to roll you endlessly?

[quote name='Gen Lee' timestamp='1342064718' post='3008737'] Must say I'm very disappointed in the resolve of an alliance we have considered friends for a long time. Alas, "Friendship isn't about whom you have known the longest... It's about who came, and never left your side." ~ Anonymous. [/quote] Great, I'll be waiting for that cancellation finally. EDIT: Also I encourage you to come out of peace mode like VE did so we can test your resolve. EDIT2: Oh and bring Sparta with you.

[quote name='Atanatar' timestamp='1341935724' post='3007848'] [img]http://home.comcast.net/~openaccess/upload/deinosturtle.gif[/img] [/quote] Oh you're one to talk

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1341549624' post='3004515'] sup NPO? [/quote] Actions have consequences.

So much work finally recognized.

[quote name='King Wally' timestamp='1341181954' post='3001378'] If you think Umbrella or even all of Doomhouse combined could take on NPO-sphere I'd say your highly delusional. Yes they did it in the PB-NpO war (EVERYTHING. MUST. DIE.) but that was only able to be acheived by keeping SF and XX alliances on side. Those bridges have now been burnt repeatedly and DH has run out of "Nominal" plan B FA-Clusters to swing in to overpower NPO even if they desperetly needed to. This is also the reason why DH was so keen to create a diversion war away from LSF. They know they are on the edge and can not afford to fight anyone outside of previous recent enemy lists otherwise they wont have the numbers to win. Simply fact is right now DH needs NPO-sphere more then NPO-sphere needs them. And it's in that line that I think we've witnessed something small change in this place. It's probably not so evident now but it's there. In time you will see the theory tested, may take 6 months to a year but I think the changing of the guard is already in motion. [/quote] The interpretation is interesting but completely wrong.

[quote name='NeSiRsItSiRhC' timestamp='1341051337' post='3000552'] I guess declaring for no reason and fighting a pointless war wasn't enough, so they resort to attack you on the forums as well. [/quote] Hello TPF, would you rather us to declare war strictly on the people who attack our allies, like VE for instance?

I'm shocked. Surrendering to NPL should come with an immediate disbandment clause.

[quote name='Alexandros o Megas' timestamp='1340813585' post='2998407'] What Umbralla targeted: [IMG]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o130/RomanticBoyGR/Umbrella.png[/IMG] What Umbrella got: [IMG]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o130/RomanticBoyGR/umbrella1.jpg[/IMG] [/quote] You do realize you're the one being smashed beyond reparation, don't you?

[quote name='Alexandros o Megas' timestamp='1340772486' post='2997950'] <Lusitan> Yeah, well... how's war with Hellas going? <Suffering Umbrellas> he's not stupid ... he causes us triple the damage he gets having locked 3 of our top tier in a war ... having locked 750 k ns and 75 k infra in a war ... and he causes us losses of over 7000 ns with each nukes ... look our Umbrella alliance stats during the last 2 days and stop asking us silly question ... [/quote] I can assure that having 3 of our nations locked up in a war at your former NS is not really an issue, but I'm glad you found a meaning in that. I find it fascinating though that you think 75k infra locked up at war is significant. 3 times the damage, 3 times the expense. You'll become irrelevant 3 times faster. Have fun EDIT: Also, welcome to the [i]I have been Umbrellified[/i] Club™, I'm sure you'll catch up with oinkoink12 soon, he used to be in the top 10 as well [b]Top 7 Day Smallest Nation Gains[/b] 1) -72,014 Strength Change - Darklink7748 of Nation Of Midgard - Black Team 2) -69,842 Strength Change - oinkoink12 of booNtherlands - Maroon Team [u]4) -43,917 Strength Change - Alexandros o Megas of Hellas - Black Team [/u]

[quote name='Alexandros o Megas' timestamp='1340768305' post='2997778'] Are you sure about that? Ask your colleagues for their comments and their feelings! [/quote] Yeah, well... <Lusitan> how's war with Hellas going? <...> he's turtling

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1340771459' post='2997919'] The [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=111783"]Umbrella Policy[/url] will be used in case of an attack against VE or are your alliance going to do the same thing it did with Sparta last war? [/quote] I think you'll find common agreement in Umbrella that doing what we did for Sparta last war will not happen ever again. It may frustrate a bit your expectations though.

You talk so much and fight so little

I love Deinos so much

[center][img]http://images.wikia.com/cybernations/images/4/44/Umbrella_War_Flag.png[/img][/center] To whom it may concern, Any declaration of war on any of our allies and/or by any nation sizeable enough to be attractive can and probably will be met by our full dedication. That is all. Domisi, President Threefingeredguy, Vice President Lusitan, Field Marshal Raken, Head Envoy Dylan Carter, Generator Illustrious, The Economist

[quote name='Lenny N Karl' timestamp='1340284435' post='2991770'] If it comes to it, I'll look for you on the field when I get there Lusitan Unlike some, Umbrella is always an honor to fight. It means you get the best. [/quote] I'll be waiting

Excellent

[quote name='berbers' timestamp='1340252907' post='2991285'] Most of our top tier would weep at the thought of nuking you To bad it worked out like this. [/quote] Me and Lenny had a 1on1 arranged in case something like this would happen