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The Big Ol 'What Zog Thinks of You' List - Part III


Ashoka the Great

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OK, so it's time to have a look at former adversaries or, rather, former adversaries that are still around. I generally prefer the word 'adversary' over 'enemy', since the latter implies some kind of long-term enmity that I'm just not capable of. Disliking someone enough to call them 'enemy' takes an enormous amount of energy and, if you think about it, gives an opponent far more control over you than you realize.

Bearing that little digression in mind, here we go:

Federation of Armed Nations - I've always liked FAN. Even in the aftermath of Operation Overlord I thought they were OK.

Those who find the relationship between Nordreich and FAN to be a bit strange need to consider that FAN and NoR 1.0 worked together as members of the Initiative. Thinking 'OOC-ly', many FAN and NoR members have a lot in common in terms of age, past experiences and so on.

The night of Nordreich's reformation, FAN was the only alliance to drop by our IRC channel and formally offer their best wishes. If you think a gesture like that means a lot to me, you're absolutely right.

And, just in case anyone wonders, it was I who first got Vox Populi and FAN working together. With FAN's assistance, I investigated and [ C L A S S I F I E D ].

/me looks up

Oh.

Well, I guess that story will have to wait for another time.

The lolCommies - I'm just going to put them all in one group. They're all about collectivism, so they shouldn't complain too much.

It's time for an earthshaking revelation.

I don't hate the Commies. For the most part they're a pretty good group. In fact, before NoR refounded, I approached the International about something akin to a NAP.

They said no. Not only did they turn it down, some of their members were downright insulting about it. Later, one prominent INT government member even had the temerity to publicly deny that Nordreich had ever approached them. All I could do was shrug, since cognitive dissonance really isn't my 'thing'.

Then, just a few weeks ago, INT (along with a bazillion other alliances) ended up declaring war on Invicta....in defense of Nordreich. (They're welcome to quibble about this, but the fact is that the 'treaty chain' that brought them in ended with us.)

He who laughs last does so in a hearty, Germanic way. Isn't that right, Comrades? :)

GOONS 1.0 - I nearly joined them shortly before the UjW. That's an error I'm glad I didn't make. (Concurrently, NoV was asked to join the UjP. History shows what their answer was.)

Global Order of Darkness - Xiphosis and I always seemed to get along quite well, although to be fair he and I haven't spoken to each other in quite some time.

Boards Alliance of Protectorate States - Every now and then BAPS and I argue over something nobody else gives a damn about.

I think it's terrific that BAPS have stuck it out through some very tough times.

Libertarian Socialist Federation - Apart from admiring their ability to stick around, I honestly don't know what to think about the LSF.

Some time ago, members of the LSF hunted down personal information about NoR members with a view toward encouraging local idiots to administer a beating. The assumption being, of course, that NoR members are all fascists.

If they've changed about that particular goal, then terrific. If not, then they may wish to read up on the Second Amendment, something most NoR members tend to support regardless of where they might live.

Parenthetically....

Almost a year ago, LSF members were horrified to learn that a middle-aged member of Nordreich started a fight and won against three teenagers who were found using drugs on his property but refused to GTFO in a timely manner.

Yeah, that was me. And, for the record, "a timely manner" would have been before I saw them.

Valhalla - No issues at all. Even though we just finished fighting each other, many members of Valhalla and Nordreich get along quite well. For example, Valhalla's Vice-Regent and I have been the CN equivalent of friends for nearly three years, and one of these days he and I are actually going to make it out to a hockey game together. (Wings vs. Leafs, sadly. As a Leafs fan, I'm kind of dreading that.)

I'll include TheZoo and Olympus under Valhalla, since they declared in that alliance's defense. Members of both alliances made an extremely positive impression on me during the most recent conflict, and I was far from alone (in NoR) in remarking on this.

Invicta - "They always want the last word. They always want to be right. It makes them very difficult to deal with."

Words to that effect were told to me by leading members of three of Invicta's allies during the last war. That they all said much the same thing -- and better than I could have -- without any prompting from yours truly means that it's probably true.

It does help to explain why I always wince just a little before reading a post by Haflinger, for example.

R&R - I like them. A lot.

In the UjW they were a tough opponent. In the recent war they were an ally, albeit a couple of times removed.

I much prefer fighting on the same side, and if they were ever to ask Nordreich 'out on a date' I'd happily give my blessing.

Next: The Final Chapter

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Being a member of NoR, what are your memories of the Maroon Defense Coalition and the Maroon Wars?

I wasn't in NoR 1.0. I joined NoV shortly after it was founded in May 2007. It was my third or fourth alliance, I believe.

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The nation that went rogue on BAPS was expelled from NoV by it's leadership.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=1204&view=findpost&p=49859

Surely if there was any evidence of what you claim it would have been presented and said member would not have been expelled?

Nice revisionism though, 8/10

Hizzy was reinstated after the threat by General Zico. I know this because I am the one who insisted on it. I've never denied that his was a rogue attack. He was forgiven thanks to your member's actions. You made my job easier, and I thank you for that.

However, your point is irrelevant here, since what I'm speaking of is the launch by NoV's entire General Staff, which for some reason you guys insisted on calling unprovoked, unsanctioned and so on.

Listen, if you do not believe the events I describe, go have a chat with Bud at Valhalla. In the meantime, let it go. The fact that you're holding on to this three years later is creepy.

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Hizzy was reinstated after the threat by General Zico. I know this because I am the one who insisted on it. I've never denied that his was a rogue attack. He was forgiven thanks to your member's actions. You made my job easier, and I thank you for that.

However, your point is irrelevant here, since what I'm speaking of is the launch by NoV's entire General Staff, which for some reason you guys insisted on calling unprovoked, unsanctioned and so on.

Listen, if you do not believe the events I describe, go have a chat with Bud at Valhalla. In the meantime, let it go. The fact that you're holding on to this three years later is creepy.

No what's creepy is the fact that you had to bring something 3 years old and largely irrelevant back into the light, I am just responding to both your lies and your revisionism.

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Hizzy was reinstated after the threat by General Zico. I know this because I am the one who insisted on it. I've never denied that his was a rogue attack. He was forgiven thanks to your member's actions. You made my job easier, and I thank you for that.

However, your point is irrelevant here, since what I'm speaking of is the launch by NoV's entire General Staff, which for some reason you guys insisted on calling unprovoked, unsanctioned and so on.

Listen, if you do not believe the events I describe, go have a chat with Bud at Valhalla. In the meantime, let it go. The fact that you're holding on to this three years later is creepy.

So Hizzy was booted, then a threat was made against a different alliance so he was no longer a rogue, ok. I see no DoW from them or mention of them in the surrender. Maybe he thought they were an opportunist bandwagoning alliance. Its all in the past though, the war, the nuking, the "reps" and the post war situation. There is a saying: if you go digging in the past all you're going to get is dirty.

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Nobody Expects.....you were the one who brought it up on IRC recently, so for you to accuse me of magically bringing this up for no reason is hilarious. I hadn't thought of this in a very long time until you reminded me. Without your input, my mention of BAPS would consist of the last sentence there: "I think it's terrific that BAPS have stuck it out through some very tough times."

And yes, Alterego, that's more or less how it worked. Guard of Ares were a group of TTK members who assumed a new AA to fight on NoV's side. Not too dissimilar from the way several TGE members switched AAs in order to fight on your side during the UjW. At the end of the war the Guard of Ares folks went back to TTK, so the AA ceased to exist.

As I said, all of this can be confirmed by talking to your ally. But I guess it's just easier for the two of you to indulge in a bit of name-calling and cheap shots, ignoring the fact that I actually admire your alliance for having remained together despite some very trying times.

Disappointing, but not surprising.

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er...uhhh...nope....not going to touch that one

Although, do you recall what I said the first time I saw a picture of you? :awesome:

Most likely the same thing you though the first time you saw me. Is that why we never chat anymore?

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As I said, all of this can be confirmed by talking to your ally. But I guess it's just easier for the two of you to indulge in a bit of name-calling and cheap shots, ignoring the fact that I actually admire your alliance for having remained together despite some very trying times.

Disappointing, but not surprising.

13 lines about us, 1 positive, 13 negative. What did you expect? I'd rather have been shaking your hand instead of slapping your face but you ensured that wouldnt happen. Your opinion is your opinion and the reactions you get from these blogs will reflect the tone and content of the information.

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Most likely the same thing you though the first time you saw me. Is that why we never chat anymore?

Oh, look at you in TSI! Do NoR and TSI still have that one-way MDP thingy? (Seriously....I'm that much out of the loop these days that I really don't know.)

13 lines about us, 1 positive, 13 negative. What did you expect? I'd rather have been shaking your hand instead of slapping your face but you ensured that wouldnt happen. Your opinion is your opinion and the reactions you get from these blogs will reflect the tone and content of the information.

Fair enough.

Can we hug now and never speak of it again?

btw....look up. Wayyyy up.

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I have to give props back to NoR and RnR/R&R (depending on who you ask :P)

Nobody I fought even those I declared on sat back and turtled, everyone fought back, everyone was respectful. Made the war actually a heck of a lot of fun :)

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Poor Leafs :( Though being a Chicago guy, I do hope they lay a beat down on the wings any time they play them. effing wings..

Any team that lays the beatdown on the wings is a good team in my book.

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They said no. Not only did they turn it down, some of their members were downright insulting about it. Later, one prominent INT government member even had the temerity to publicly deny that Nordreich had ever approached them. All I could do was shrug, since cognitive dissonance really isn't my 'thing'.

Minor correction. I don't recall ever insulting you when I turned it down. And if you don't mind me asking, which "prominent member" publicly denied it? The commies can be a vocal group -- a trait we share with the 'reich -- and prone to displaying an excessive independent streak that makes them harder to govern. It seems a bit dishonest to selectively cite a particular member's opinion as being representative of the whole.

-Craig

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