Kroknia Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Do you think Nordreich members acting as though they were NoV members is beneficial to the NoR cause of leaving the past the past between your 2 alliances or do you think it is just petty shots now that they have some NS and don't have to cower and be humble behind protectors for their gross crimes of the past? Yes this is a shot at NoR, and I claim no tact in making it just being insulted by the arrogance they have gone had sense they weren't in danger of overwhelming enemies referring to the LSFs "crimes" and the "injustices" committed by the left when they moved to secure their future in the world from a fascist group bent on little else than getting lulz out of killing the left periodically. As the left has generally dispersed and has a lot of influence in alliances around the world do you still have any aspirations of getting those nations back into the fold of the left wing of CN? How are you dealing with the very clear split in orange unity? I ask this not only in the sense of the R&R-ODN break up or the leaving OUT, but as far back as the ODN leaving friendly relations with IRON. ODN moving more towards CnG rather than Orange and the recent turbulence in all aspects of orange(ODN is only the clearest to point out the specific differences, not saying they're the problem rather than the sphere itself degrading its unity from its former self)? How are you doing these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) Do you think Nordreich members acting as though they were NoV members is beneficial to the NoR cause of leaving the past the past between your 2 alliances or do you think it is just petty shots now that they have some NS and don't have to cower and be humble behind protectors for their gross crimes of the past? Since this is more of a shot at NoR than a question to the INT I'll throw my word out there. Nordreich doesn't need to hide behind anyone. Our allies (we don't have a protector at the moment fyi) know us, trust us, and we have the same trust in them. Nordreich announced their existence with no solid or standing treaties or protection to a largely hostile world. If that indicates fear of the world then I'm not quite sure what bravery or guts would look like. There is also a rather large difference between changing the attitudes of the past and referring and speaking of that same past. NoR is not ignorant of our colored history and we are not ignorant of its sometimes abrasive memory. However, we can still discuss aspects of that history without emulating or reenacting the same actions. There is no need for NoR members to "act as though" we were NoV members because many of us were and proudly so. In an effort to maintain this thread for its original purpose I'll pose a few question to the INT myself. What is the general opinion of INT members in regards to Vox Populi and former Vox members? What is your policy on nuking offending nations (rogues for example) who do not posses nukes themselves? Would your alliance use the senate and the powers therein as a weapon against your enemies during a time of war? Edited December 19, 2009 by Captain Flinders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einswald Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Dear commies, HELLO, im back how many still hail from the old ICP days??? i see a few familiar faces, is Q still around?? also shoutouts to Catadunes, Tomcat i recognised two names at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medraut Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I have to say that I am disappointed in the behavior of some of our members in this thread. If you can't behave in a respectful manner, don't bother posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemhauser Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 I have to say that I am disappointed in the behavior of some of our members in this thread. If you can't behave in a respectful manner, don't bother posting. I echo this statement. Nordlanders, please stay respectful. Some players from both INT and Nordreich have a past together, but that doesn't need to lay foundation for hostility between the both of us. Nordreich and INT government have civilized foreign relations with each other. Aside from one of two members spitting out their frustration from the past, the general stance towards each other is a neutral one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daikos Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 10^10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000In other words, almost as awesome as DF We love you too! Speaking of our everlasting love... If I were to take you out for Valentine's Day what would the ideal date involve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Craig Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Do you think Nordreich members acting as though they were NoV members is beneficial to the NoR cause of leaving the past the past between your 2 alliances...? I don't want to dwell on Nordreich. I think that topic has been covered quite thoroughly already. I can't believe that the majority of voices in NoR harbor such hostility. Their is a vocal minority of veterans on both sides for whom the old conflict is a defining feature, and only time can change that. This particular line of questioning has no more to offer. As the left has generally dispersed and has a lot of influence in alliances around the world do you still have any aspirations of getting those nations back into the fold of the left wing of CN? The International always welcomes old comrades. How are you dealing with the very clear split in orange unity? I ask this not only in the sense of the R&R-ODN break up or the leaving OUT, but as far back as the ODN leaving friendly relations with IRON. ODN moving more towards CnG rather than Orange and the recent turbulence in all aspects of orange(ODN is only the clearest to point out the specific differences, not saying they're the problem rather than the sphere itself degrading its unity from its former self)? My personal belief is that all of this is the natural and predictable result of the Karma War. Alliances are still trying to find themselves in a post-Hegemony world. We're in a transitional period. This will all settle down over time. How are you doing these days? Never been better. What is the general opinion of INT members in regards to Vox Populi and former Vox members? I haven't polled the general membership on the topic, so I can't speak with authority. I know that in the early days, some CPCN members were swept up by the romantic imagery of a Vox rebellion and resigned so that they could participate. Most of them have found their way back to INT. What is your policy on nuking offending nations (rogues for example) who do not posses nukes themselves? INT does not have a fixed policy that dictates our use of nuclear weaponry. Such decisions are made on a case-by-case basis by the appropriate governing body. It is my personal belief that the nuclear option should never be left off the table, and I may advocate the use of such weapons in some cases, but the final decision would be made by the congress or central committee, depending on the circumstances. Would your alliance use the senate and the powers therein as a weapon against your enemies during a time of war? As a general rule, sanctions for petty reasons are not something I support. I would prefer not to disrupt trades in my own sphere because it damages us all, however, I can't make a blanket statement without knowing the facts of a particular case. Every situation is unique. how many still hail from the old ICP days??? i see a few familiar faces, is Q still around?? Q-collective is alive and well, and currently serves as our highest elected official in the office of General Commissar. -Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Flinders Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Based off your answers I do have another question if you don't mind. What decisions are the governing bodies of the International tasked with making and what decisions must be put to a vote? Is it up to the leaders when/if a vote takes place or is it written in stone (so to speak) somewhere that a vote must take place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Craig Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) Based off your answers I do have another question if you don't mind. What decisions are the governing bodies of the International tasked with making and what decisions must be put to a vote? Is it up to the leaders when/if a vote takes place or is it written in stone (so to speak) somewhere that a vote must take place? Congress consists of all members. In times of peace, it is the supreme ruling body. Any member may propose legislation and call for a vote. We have certain parliamentary rules that give our executive officials some control over how the votes are managed, but that is largely administrative. Certain powers (such as military management) are delegated to the elected officials. In particular, we insist upon a strong military chain of command in times of peace and war alike. During times of war or crisis, the central committee assumes a greater role. Our constitution says it best: While the International is engaged in hostilities or is in a Crisis declared by the Congress, the serving Commissars ... are granted the power to, by a simple majority vote, pass any measure that is in accordance with the International’s rules and will ensure that the International emerges intact and victorious. These decisions hold equality with decisions made by the Congress. The Congress does not relinquish lawmaking power thereby, but shares it during these times. For historical reasons, this wartime function of the central committee is commonly referred to as the "war council." It is a system that has been proven in combat to be both effective and in line with our democratic ideals. -Craig Edited December 19, 2009 by Comrade Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Craig Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) d'oh. Duplicate post. Ignore. Edited December 19, 2009 by Comrade Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thizzland Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 As the left has generally dispersed and has a lot of influence in alliances around the world do you still have any aspirations of getting those nations back into the fold of the left wing of CN?How are you dealing with the very clear split in orange unity? I ask this not only in the sense of the R&R-ODN break up or the leaving OUT, but as far back as the ODN leaving friendly relations with IRON. ODN moving more towards CnG rather than Orange and the recent turbulence in all aspects of orange(ODN is only the clearest to point out the specific differences, not saying they're the problem rather than the sphere itself degrading its unity from its former self)? How are you doing these days? oh snap, long time no see Krok. B) I agree with Craig 100%. We stand behind all of our orange allies. As far as other orange alliances, we bear no ill will towards any other sphere mates and endorse open dialogue. I'm great, INT's awesome, you should stay in touch. And send my regards to that other crazy leftist samurai, FC. We love you too! Speaking of our everlasting love... If I were to take you out for Valentine's Day what would the ideal date involve? Hotel Party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Craig Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 (edited) What wars has INT been in since you started as INT and on which side?In terms of merging 1) what made you decide to do it and what has been good about it? 2) any second thoughts or regrets now that you have? Sorry, I think these questions got lost. I'll try to give some answers: INT fought along side its LEO allies in the Karma War (on the Karma side). There may have been a couple of smaller skirmishes, but alcohol has destroyed my memory. You can check our wiki if you're interested in history. Regarding the merge. We did it for world domination. No joke. Consolidation of power. As for regrets, we did lose a few members from all alliances, including some prominent ones who had trouble finding a place in the new organization. But, the merger was still an overwhelming success. If we had to do it again, we wouldn't change much. -Craig Edited December 19, 2009 by Comrade Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soviet Limburg Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 Someone clearly didn't give me a memo of this thread Any questions still left unanswered? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werner von Hermann Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) Do images like this piss you off? That doesn't piss me off; at the very least, no more than this would piss-off you: Edited December 20, 2009 by Werner von Hermann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigurd Odinnson Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 That doesn't piss me off; at the very least, no more than this would piss-off you: I actually rather like the craftmanship there . Why the helmet though? It seems odd with the communist t-shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmerwald1915 Posted December 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 I actually rather like the craftmanship there . Why the helmet though? It seems odd with the communist t-shirt. I'm not sure that's a helmet. It seems more like stylized hair or a woolen cap, at least basted on shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemhauser Posted December 20, 2009 Report Share Posted December 20, 2009 (edited) I believe they are suspenders hanging down. Together with the boots, this make this character some sort of leftist punker. Edited December 20, 2009 by Nemhauser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werner von Hermann Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 I actually rather like the craftmanship there . Why the helmet though? It seems odd with the communist t-shirt. The work was submitted anonymously, so you may have to settle of the interpretations of spectators. The first thing that came to my mind was it being a colored-in hard-hat, making him a construction/factory worker (obviously in a socialist country because that's decent working conditions). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Craig Posted December 21, 2009 Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 (edited) Looks like a yarmulke to me. -Craig Edited December 21, 2009 by Comrade Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmerwald1915 Posted December 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2009 Looks like a yarmulke to me.-Craig Really? A yarmulke doesn't cover all that much of a person's head...pretty much only one's bald spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackred Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Do you think Nordreich members acting as though they were NoV members is beneficial to the NoR cause of leaving the past the past between your 2 alliances or do you think it is just petty shots now that they have some NS and don't have to cower and be humble behind protectors for their gross crimes of the past? Yes this is a shot at NoR, and I claim no tact in making it just being insulted by the arrogance they have gone had sense they weren't in danger of overwhelming enemies referring to the LSFs "crimes" and the "injustices" committed by the left when they moved to secure their future in the world from a fascist group bent on little else than getting lulz out of killing the left periodically.As the left has generally dispersed and has a lot of influence in alliances around the world do you still have any aspirations of getting those nations back into the fold of the left wing of CN? How are you dealing with the very clear split in orange unity? I ask this not only in the sense of the R&R-ODN break up or the leaving OUT, but as far back as the ODN leaving friendly relations with IRON. ODN moving more towards CnG rather than Orange and the recent turbulence in all aspects of orange(ODN is only the clearest to point out the specific differences, not saying they're the problem rather than the sphere itself degrading its unity from its former self)? How are you doing these days? visit us on IRC then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botha Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Comrade Craig, do you feel the Right and the Left need and depend on each other to fuel each other's ideology? That without a Rightist opponent, the Left loses its focus and direction? (and likewise, the same quetsion can be asked of the Right too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongol-Swedes Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Comrade Craig, do you feel the Right and the Left need and depend on each other to fuel each other's ideology? That without a Rightist opponent, the Left loses its focus and direction? (and likewise, the same quetsion can be asked of the Right too) Hardly. Look at how both Leftists and Rightists are existing on the same plane with little, if any conflict, pursuing peaceful prosperity. Hell, TGE and INT were pretty close when I was at the founding of INT. Even when NoV/NoR was gone from the world as an official alliance, the CPCN was helping to rebuild the LSF, and the Left as a whole was moving towards unification and growth irrespective of the existence of any openly hostile Rightists. The International itself is proof that one opposite ideological entity does not require the other to prosper. I would even say that if there was no 'Left', there'd be a strong 'Right'. Now, would it be so easy, so black and white, as to distinguish one 'extreme' from another? Certainly. And it would take away a basis of existence. But ultimately it comes down to the strength of your community. Whatever that community unites itself around really is secondary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted December 22, 2009 Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 [OOC] If I may poke and prod you a bit more on this, what exactly is this idealogy? What does Nordreich stand for? In some ways it mirrors RL german fascist organizations. In other ways it does not. In regards to giving out aid, and being right wing, most fascist organizations mirror early socialist organizations (makes sense seeing as how the very first fascists were former socialists who decided to create a separate idealogy based on ultra-nationalism and ethnic xenophobia as a rallying point for the working poor, rather than class struggle) Anyway, whats the deal?[/OOC] [ooc]I find it amusing how you generalize and oversimplify fascists and yet buys in the anticommunist propaganda. Fascism has nothing socialist in it but the name. Mussolini's blackshirts took their black shirt from the anarchist movement, and in fact italian fascists (who existed before mussolini became a fascist) were anarco-fascists in their early times and maintained a few of the anarchist anti-establishment positions during their rule. Fascism is a huge ideological soup with many influences and only one purpose: full control of the state over the individual. In a class war context it often stands for the bourgeoise, as they have more power and cohesion, but i'm under the impression that fascism's only loyalty is to itself (which explains the bourgeois outrage with it, even though they were doing their dirty work in terms of allienating the lower classes).[/ooc] I actually rather like the craftmanship there . Why the helmet though? It seems odd with the communist t-shirt. so you'd say this is weird: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimmerwald1915 Posted December 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2009 Comrade Craig, do you feel the Right and the Left need and depend on each other to fuel each other's ideology? That without a Rightist opponent, the Left loses its focus and direction? (and likewise, the same quetsion can be asked of the Right too) I'd say the Left did rather well between the Q-NoV War and the Karma War, during which the Right didn't have an organized IC presence in CN. History holds all answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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