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Well, we've stopped the S1914 games because nobody was interested

More likely it was because a certain someone wasn't there to organise them anymore and motivate you all to play.

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Ha ha ha. Lolcommies.

It has been suggested that you take a somewhat capitalist approach to tech dealing. Can you confirm this?

If I understand the rumor correctly, they would be implying that because the seller nations make a profit, it is capitalist. This, however, would be a misunderstanding. Tech deals are mutually beneficial, with the seller making a steep profit, and the buyer saving money; tech deals are established for the main purpose of distributing the wealth to the lower-tier nations while strengthening the alliance as a whole.

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Opinions on the 4 largest blocs of this moment?

When will Q finally join FOK? :P

LEO reigns supreme :ph34r:

As soon as he becomes CEO of Goldman Sachs.

Commies. <3

<3 R&R

Do you miss me?

Meh, not so much ;)

Ha ha ha. Lolcommies.

It has been suggested that you take a somewhat capitalist approach to tech dealing. Can you confirm this?

loloptionaldefense

brb, exploiting the 3rd world.

Who is a closer ally to you--ODN, or FOK?

If the two were on opposite sides of a war--or clearly would be in a future conflict that you saw coming (not nec. against one another), who would you side with? Would you cancel treaties to pick a side, or hold the treaties and try to act as a mediator to prevent the war?

That is a good one. ODN and LEO are arguably our closest allies* I <3 them both.

We would do all that was possible to act as a mediator to prevent war between allies. If that was unsuccessful, I predict much heated discourse as to the next step.

I pray to Marx that day never comes.

*We love and respect our comrades in other alliances as well. o7

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Who is a closer ally to you--ODN, or FOK?

If the two were on opposite sides of a war--or clearly would be in a future conflict that you saw coming (not nec. against one another), who would you side with? Would you cancel treaties to pick a side, or hold the treaties and try to act as a mediator to prevent the war?

I'll let a more senior member make an official statement on this, but imo (I get one because we have a Congress) INT is a frequent volunteer as a mediator so that would be the position I would vote for.

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When will Q finally join FOK? :P

When will you let MutedFaith come back?

Who is a closer ally to you--ODN, or FOK?

If the two were on opposite sides of a war--or clearly would be in a future conflict that you saw coming (not nec. against one another), who would you side with? Would you cancel treaties to pick a side, or hold the treaties and try to act as a mediator to prevent the war?

With our understanding of historical materialism, we clearly see everything coming. Any treaty conflicts are premeditated by us for our own amusement, and to keep y'all guessing.

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What wars has INT been in since you started as INT and on which side?

In terms of merging

1) what made you decide to do it and what has been good about it?

2) any second thoughts or regrets now that you have?

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Considering Nordreich has bested you right now in every category since coming back, in a relatively short time-frame mind you, do you feel that this proves your ideology is inferior to their's?

Also, having a hand in Norden Verein's final demise, do you believe your time is coming as well?

You know, Karma and all that. I think you guys fought on their side last war? Let me know what you think!

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Considering Nordreich has bested you right now in every category since coming back, in a relatively short time-frame mind you, do you feel that this proves your ideology is inferior to their's?

Also, having a hand in Norden Verein's final demise, do you believe your time is coming as well?

You know, Karma and all that. I think you guys fought on their side last war? Let me know what you think!

Well I think that has more to do with good nation building and old timers returning to there old home along with the large nations rather than any ideological difference. Also it doesn't help that INT has had a relatively hard time growing since the Karma war due to alliance splits and less new blood.

I don't think we need to worry about that, we have solid friends and I am not aware of any long term grudges with anyone. I would say most people are either positive or neutral towards us.

Sorry but the days of commie stomps are long gone.

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Considering Nordreich has bested you right now in every category since coming back, in a relatively short time-frame mind you, do you feel that this proves your ideology is inferior to their's?

Also, having a hand in Norden Verein's final demise, do you believe your time is coming as well?

heh ideology has nothing to do with it, Nordreich's return and their expansion in various categories since then is down to their own hard work not ideology.

Also in my role as a govt member for INT's predecessor (CPCN) i fail to see what role the commies played in that?? the commies were still to an extent out in the wilderness at the time? maybe i am wrong but i seem to remember many of us ex-ICP members wishing us Commies did have a more direct hand in the Verien's demise (bar tagging along for the ride by attacking Legio X).

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Well I think that has more to do with good nation building and old timers returning to there old home along with the large nations rather than any ideological difference.

Are you suggesting that NoR members are better nation builders or that we have a larger, stronger central core of member that stretches deeper and further than the left's? Or both? ;)

Also, good questions AUT. I would have asked the same kind of things but people tend to think I'm being inflammatory when I get too curious.

Also, when are you guys going to merge with TGE and put them out of their misery?

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Also, good questions AUT. I would have asked the same kind of things but people tend to think I'm being inflammatory when I get too curious.

Thanks, I know the answer to the question just figured I'd let them respond. ;)

Also, Cata: How doesn't it get any clearer than this? Quit using the same retort over and over again you supported the move accept it.

My favorite part is when a NoV member asked if the feud between you two died down your response was:

Not really, we never loved the nationalists nor came to terms with them we just decided to keep our heads low until such a time as were able to come out again in strength. The Crimes of NoR/NoV have never been forgotten and finally we shall have a form of revenge for NoV's destruction of the ICP(2)!
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Considering Nordreich has bested you right now in every category since coming back, in a relatively short time-frame mind you, do you feel that this proves your ideology is inferior to their's?

Oh god.

Now you've gone and fed their egos.

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You know, Karma and all that.

Karma already came on May 10th, 2008.

If I were in the CPCN I would have been flattered that you noticed their declaration of support amongst the 10 other ones.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=22384

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=22385

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=22387

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=22390

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry595660

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=22395

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry596457

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=22441

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=22445

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=22446

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=22450

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Thanks, I know the answer to the question just figured I'd let them respond. ;)

Also, Cata: How doesn't it get any clearer than this? Quit using the same retort over and over again you supported the move accept it.

My favorite part is when a NoV member asked if the feud between you two died down your response was:

Wait, they supported the move? Positively shocking.

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Wait, they supported the move? Positively shocking.

So you'd say because of that they now enjoy comfortable relations with Nordreich?

heh ideology has nothing to do with it, Nordreich's return and their expansion in various categories since then is down to their own hard work not ideology.

Yeah and what's the central cohesion of The International? A far left attitude in support of Communism. What's Nordreich? An own ideology supporting their own type of philosophy.

[OOC]And if Nordreich has outworked The International, doesn't it mean their citizens are happy and fascism is superior to Communism in terms of productivity?[/OOC]

:awesome:

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An own ideology supporting their own type of philosophy.

Forgive me,

Could you elaborate on what that is, exactly?

I've been out of the loop for far too long.

But enough feeding the trolls.

INT, as 2009 wraps up, what would you consider to be your most successful diplomatic relationship of the year?

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Considering Nordreich has bested you right now in every category since coming back, in a relatively short time-frame mind you

Their numbers are nearly identical...

also, just because the new Nordreich is a relatively new alliance does not mean their members are new.

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Considering Nordreich has bested you right now in every category since coming back, in a relatively short time-frame mind you, do you feel that this proves your ideology is inferior to their's?

Also, having a hand in Norden Verein's final demise, do you believe your time is coming as well?

You know, Karma and all that. I think you guys fought on their side last war? Let me know what you think!

I like real questions like these over the congratulatory softballs our many well-intentioned friends were tossing.

Firstly, your question implies hostility between the two alliances, but I am aware of none and I predict none in the foreseeable future. I congratulate Nordreich on their success. Thanks to the efforts of Kingzog, that old and potentially destructive animosity was converted into something that more closely resembles a friendly rivalry. Nordreich lost a great leader when he moved on.

Building a genuine revolutionary movement based on democratic rule by the working class is not an easy task, and an autocratic government based upon entrenched wealth and privilege (such as Nordreich) starts with a natural advantage. That being said, I think that INT's growth trend will continue, and I believe that you will witness the disappearance of NoR's lead in 2010. [OOC]Forgive the pseudo-leftist rhetoric, but this is an IC forum, after all[/OOC]

I am quite flattered that you give us credit for Norden Verein's demise, but your facts are a little shaky. That war predates the existence of INT. I admit that I penned the statement of support to which you linked, but I did it as a member of the now defunct Communist Party. Despite that announcement, the CPCN had almost no role in the conflict. I do not recall ever engaging any NoV targets. At most, the Party fought back a halfhearted counterattack by a latecomer to the fray. As a former member of the LSF, I was happy to see the defeat of Norden Verein, just as they cheered their (short-lived) military victories over my fallen comrades. In that sense, the end of Norden Verein was the karma to which you refer. I'd like to think that cycle is over.

-Craig

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INT, as 2009 wraps up, what would you consider to be your most successful diplomatic relationship of the year?

We are not in the habit of arbitrarily ranking our accomplishments or our friends, however, it should not be a secret to anyone that INT is a a loyal member of LEO, and we are proud of the organization, and are dedicated to its growth and defense.

-Craig

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At the risk of having this devolve, I'll chime in a bit more. I genuinely look forward to where this conversation can bring us.

Forgive me,

Could you elaborate on what that is, exactly?

I've been out of the loop for far too long.

The ideology that sets Nordreich apart from an alliance like the International? [OOC] Where I see INT taking OOC content and literally translating it to the gaming world (communism, socialism, etc.) with the practices therein (representative government for example), Nordreich uses the base foundation of the loosely labeled "right" to found her own ideology with it's own set of values, customs, and benefits. Things like the now defunct Nordland Doctrine were an example of this new brand of "right wing" politics in this world. But at the same time, NoR does not exclusively relate to or practice right wing politics. We have substantial free aid programs (Christmas being the time of giving and all) to supplement the prifot making tech sector to be expected of a supply/demand economy. I could go on longer but suffice as to say that Nordreich and her predecessors have paved the way for Nordreich to have her very own brand of ideology and style. [/OOC]

Their numbers are nearly identical...

Our NS value is very close though I would argue our noticeable lead in membership will likely make the difference in the long run.

also, just because the new Nordreich is a relatively new alliance does not mean their members are new.

The same could be said for the International.

I am quite flattered that you give us credit for Norden Verein's demise, but your facts are a little shaky. That war predates the existence of INT. I admit that I penned the statement of support to which you linked, but I did it as a member of the now defunct Communist Party. Despite that announcement, the CPCN had almost no role in the conflict. I do not recall ever engaging any NoV targets. At most, the Party fought back a halfhearted counterattack by a latecomer to the fray. As a former member of the LSF, I was happy to see the defeat of Norden Verein, just as they cheered their (short-lived) military victories over my fallen comrades. In that sense, the end of Norden Verein was the karma to which you refer. I'd like to think that cycle is over.

In all fairness Craig (and you know I like you so don't take this personal) the whole thing of CPCN taking LSF as a protectorate while we were still at war with them was a low blow. Yes we didn't have the power to sustain much of a war against them at that point but as you already said, your alliance did not fight for their freedom. You simply swept in and claimed the prize for yourself. I doubt very many people even remember it enough to make it a substantial faux pas, but it did occur and it was less than gentlemanly. So while you may not have done much of the actual fighting of NoV, but your alliance certainly got their kicks in while they could. I don't entirely blame you for that though. It seemed at the time that everyone took their turn.

I should note that I don't take issue with the International in it's current form. I'm simply providing the counterbalance to a meaningful subject.

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The ideology that sets Nordreich apart from an alliance like the International? [OOC] Where I see INT taking OOC content and literally translating it to the gaming world (communism, socialism, etc.) with the practices therein (representative government for example), Nordreich uses the base foundation of the loosely labeled "right" to found her own ideology with it's own set of values, customs, and benefits. Things like the now defunct Nordland Doctrine were an example of this new brand of "right wing" politics in this world. But at the same time, NoR does not exclusively relate to or practice right wing politics. We have substantial free aid programs (Christmas being the time of giving and all) to supplement the prifot making tech sector to be expected of a supply/demand economy. I could go on longer but suffice as to say that Nordreich and her predecessors have paved the way for Nordreich to have her very own brand of ideology and style. [/OOC]

[OOC] If I may poke and prod you a bit more on this, what exactly is this idealogy? What does Nordreich stand for? In some ways it mirrors RL german fascist organizations. In other ways it does not. In regards to giving out aid, and being right wing, most fascist organizations mirror early socialist organizations (makes sense seeing as how the very first fascists were former socialists who decided to create a separate idealogy based on ultra-nationalism and ethnic xenophobia as a rallying point for the working poor, rather than class struggle) Anyway, whats the deal?[/OOC]

In all fairness Craig (and you know I like you so don't take this personal) the whole thing of CPCN taking LSF as a protectorate while we were still at war with them was a low blow. Yes we didn't have the power to sustain much of a war against them at that point but as you already said, your alliance did not fight for their freedom. You simply swept in and claimed the prize for yourself. I doubt very many people even remember it enough to make it a substantial faux pas, but it did occur and it was less than gentlemanly. So while you may not have done much of the actual fighting of NoV, but your alliance certainly got their kicks in while they could. I don't entirely blame you for that though. It seemed at the time that everyone took their turn.

I think the gentlemanly thing would have been to have never subjected the LSF to eternal war in the first place.

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