SpacingOutMan Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Yes the situation between Knights of Ni! was resolved. Posting this should have no effect on our relationship with Knights of Ni! the point I've been trying to get at is why should Penkala have any reason to post a thread about our raid. We have no reason to post this thread other than to counter his thread.This is going to be an ongoing disagreement between us though. You think he should have posted a thread about us raiding Knights of Ni! I think if anyone had a right to post that thread it would have been Knights of Ni! not Penkala. Not defending Penkala in any way. It's a matter of should this thread have been posted? My opinion is no, it shouldn't have. I don't know Penkala all that well, but I know he has called me out in discussions [OOC: On the OWF] plenty of time and likewise. Should he have posted about it? No, but there is always someone who will post something about an event like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) Not defending Penkala in any way. It's a matter of should this thread have been posted? My opinion is no, it shouldn't have. I don't know Penkala all that well, but I know he has called me out in discussions [OOC: On the OWF] plenty of time and likewise. Should he have posted about it? No, but there is always someone who will post something about an event like that. Your opinion is a fine one to end on, I appreciate it a lot. Edit: Spelling Edited November 20, 2009 by Tick1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Yes the situation between Knights of Ni! was resolved. Posting this should have no effect on our relationship with Knights of Ni! the point I've been trying to get at is why should Penkala have any reason to post a thread about our raid. We have no reason to post this thread other than to counter his thread.This is going to be an ongoing disagreement between us though. You think he should have posted a thread about us raiding Knights of Ni! I think if anyone had a right to post that thread it would have been Knights of Ni! not Penkala. The point you are trying to make is "penkala nuked a guy, he is an evil raider" and therefore "all our sins concerning the raiding of knights of ni are absolved". Frankly I think you underestimate the intelligence of the peanut gallery, but that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 The point you are trying to make is "penkala nuked a guy, he is an evil raider" and therefore "all our sins concerning the raiding of knights of ni are absolved".Frankly I think you underestimate the intelligence of the peanut gallery, but that's just me. You my friend read to far into my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 You my friend read to far into my words. And actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrum Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 The point you are trying to make is "penkala nuked a guy, he is an evil raider" and therefore "all our sins concerning the raiding of knights of ni are absolved".Frankly I think you underestimate the intelligence of the peanut gallery, but that's just me. What better opportunity to improve the impact of the fallout from the Ni war, then pointing out, accurately that the person who pointed it out to begin with is a hypocrite? Perfectly reasonable responses within the context of the broader scope of the people and incidents involved, should have been expected. Perhaps he is trying to underestimate the intelligence of the peanut gallery, but in all candeor as a member of said gallery I can say that any estimates of intelligence, high or low would be folly anyway. Best to rest on the argument of the individuals, or group of individuals intent and sincerity (something a not so intelligent member of the peanut gallery might have mentioned before). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choader Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 The point you are trying to make is "penkala nuked a guy, he is an evil raider" and therefore "all our sins concerning the raiding of knights of ni are absolved".Frankly I think you underestimate the intelligence of the peanut gallery, but that's just me. What a silly idea. Penkala's not evil, just a hypocrite. His raiding practices are of no concern to us or anyone else until the point where he's pointing out the specks in others eyes without checking his own first. To claim UC started this thread to whitewash our own actions does him a great disservice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Perhaps he is trying to underestimate the intelligence of the peanut gallery, but in all candeor as a member of said gallery I can say that any estimates of intelligence, high or low would be folly anyway. Best to rest on the argument of the individuals, or group of individuals intent and sincerity (something a not so intelligent member of the peanut gallery might have mentioned before). Arguments can be thrown out in the air, their veracity is what is relevant. The political plot behind every situation is very relevant to determine the veracity of an argument, by the way. What better opportunity to improve the impact of the fallout from the Ni war, then pointing out, accurately that the person who pointed it out to begin with is a hypocrite? Perfectly reasonable responses within the context of the broader scope of the people and incidents involved, should have been expected. Given that someone goaded penkala onto nuking the guy, I'd say he is perfectly consistant concerning his speech and actions and the accusation of hypocracy reeks of opportunism. Like this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choader Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Given that someone goaded penkala onto nuking the guy That's only his claim. Given the inconsistencies in his story and prompt clamming up when questioned, you're being naive taking that at face value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Apart from the fact that this isn't hypocrisy – raiding an unaligned and raiding an alliance en masse are clearly different, and while you may put them both in 'bad' (a lot of people) or 'ok' (a few people), many others find the first acceptable and the first not – I think this is a good time to remind people of the quote that was formerly in my sig: "Just because he's a hypocrite doesn't mean he's wrong". Even if you manage to 'prove' that Penkala was hypocritical to raid after posting his thread, it still doesn't affect the morality of your original action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 That's only his claim. Given the inconsistencies in his story and prompt clamming up when questioned, you're being naive taking that at face value. Please point us to any no inconsistencies in his story. And to anyone catching up in this thread, penkala claimed from the start he was at IRC using mibbit (Meaning, for most users, that he was not logging, and that any person with the ability to use the /whois command could know) and he got queried by the guy he was nuking (or so he thought), who then threatened his family and dared him to nuke him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Apart from the fact that this isn't hypocrisy – raiding an unaligned and raiding an alliance en masse are clearly different, and while you may put them both in 'bad' (a lot of people) or 'ok' (a few people), many others find the first acceptable and the first not – I think this is a good time to remind people of the quote that was formerly in my sig: "Just because he's a hypocrite doesn't mean he's wrong". Even if you manage to 'prove' that Penkala was hypocritical to raid after posting his thread, it still doesn't affect the morality of your original action. You think killing one person is any different then killing a village? Re-think your morals in life and Cybernations. Once again I'd like to point out that this is a game folks, not life, but if you want to bring your life morals into the game don't pass judgment on others for excluding their morals from the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choader Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Apart from the fact that this isn't hypocrisy – raiding an unaligned and raiding an alliance en masse are clearly different, and while you may put them both in 'bad' (a lot of people) or 'ok' (a few people), many others find the first acceptable and the first not – I think this is a good time to remind people of the quote that was formerly in my sig: "Just because he's a hypocrite doesn't mean he's wrong". Even if you manage to 'prove' that Penkala was hypocritical to raid after posting his thread, it still doesn't affect the morality of your original action. Of course not, him being wrong doesn't make us right. I would even say that's he's not wrong to nuke his raid target for retaliating because "wrong" is relative. [OOC]There are no rights or wrongs aside from what the administrator has added to the game's rules.[/OOC] Yes, Penkala is a hypocrite. Our actions are already committed and we're not dense enough to think they'll go away if attention shifts to someone else, I don't believe anyone was out to try to "affect the morality of our original action". It's frankly unimportant to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) Can I ask where the need is? Nuking a nation needlessly? Really? I don't see him nuking you anywhere. Not that he could or anything. EDIT: fff wrong image EDIT: unknown. Edited November 20, 2009 by Achilleus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) What's the problem? Nein, whatever that is, should have been looking out for this guy and they weren't. Them's the brakes. Achilleus, please read all of the pages before you confirm your viewpoint. Edit: You've been out of the political system for to long and haven't kept up with recent events. Please get onto IRC if you want me to fill you in on current events. Edited November 20, 2009 by Tick1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Achilleus, please read all of the pages before you confirm your viewpoint.Edit: You've been out of the political system for to long and haven't kept up with recent events. Please get onto IRC if you want me to fill you in on current events. Well, I can't download IRC on these campus computers, so I take it all back. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Well, I can't download IRC on these campus computers, so I take it all back. B) Mibbit can bypass most firewalls. Its usually what people that are not at home use, because it bypasses most firewalls, it is light, and it needs no installation. Like penkala, he was using IRC and an opportunist goaded him onto nuking the guy he was raiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Not to say he was right on raiding the guy, but the fact that someone took the time and had enough malice to impersonate someone else with the intent of generating this thread sort of makes me angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Not to say he was right on raiding the guy, but the fact that someone took the time and had enough malice to impersonate someone else with the intent of generating this thread sort of makes me angry. I see what you are getting at. You think we impersonated him? Thanks for pointing out your true motive in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) I see what you are getting at. You think we impersonated him? Thanks for pointing out your true motive in this thread. Not really, that could have been anyone, but you surely used this event in a despicably opportunist fashion. Edited November 20, 2009 by deSouza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Apart from the fact that this isn't hypocrisy – raiding an unaligned and raiding an alliance en masse are clearly different, and while you may put them both in 'bad' (a lot of people) or 'ok' (a few people), many others find the first acceptable and the first not – I think this is a good time to remind people of the quote that was formerly in my sig: "Just because he's a hypocrite doesn't mean he's wrong". Even if you manage to 'prove' that Penkala was hypocritical to raid after posting his thread, it still doesn't affect the morality of your original action. I'm going to have to agree with this post. In fact, if I remember correctly, the arguments made for the justification of the raid were that it was a small alliance, and that it had no treaties. If anything, he's only using that standard, but on a much smaller alliance of just one member. I see how he could be faulted, but if Penkala is wrong, then Athens and FoB were certainly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilleus Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Not to say he was right on raiding the guy, but the fact that someone took the time and had enough malice to impersonate someone else with the intent of generating this thread sort of makes me angry. What?! I see what you are getting at. You think we impersonated him? Thanks for pointing out your true motive in this thread. What??!!? Ahaha! I am going over every - single - word of this thread when I'm done with my class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I cannot believe I missed this. Penkala, you're terrible. Terrible, terrible, terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tick1 Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) Not really, that could have been anyone, but you surely used this event in a despicably opportunist fashion. For all intensive purposes. Please look at how logical that statement. Inbox:http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/r1.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/r2.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/r3.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/r4.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/r5.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/r6.jpg Outbox: http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/s1.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/s2.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/m1.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/m2.jpg Nuke #1 http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/m3.jpg Nuke #2 http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/m4.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/m5.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/m6.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/m7.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/m8.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w294/Balougahfitz/m9.jpg Nuke #3 Hur, EDIT: I'll be on #nadc to facilitate communications for this event for the rest of the evening. <no one comes> The first picture is the most important one. If anyone impersonated Penkala would he not have nuked them on the first day (24 hours)? Quite simply this proves that he was not impersonated. If Penkala was indeed going to nuke Baloughahfitz he would have not sent peace. It's as simple as that, Penkala had no intentions of nuking this person and when Penkala knew he wouldn't profit from the raid he resorted to nuclear tactics. Edited November 20, 2009 by Tick1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishnokof Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I haven't read most of this thread, but people should be able to nuke the $%&@ out of whoever they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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