Eamon Valda Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) A Brief Introduction Recently, I had a brief question about the top alliances of cybernations: which are the most militarised powers statistically? I thus gathered data on the top 20 alliances and compiled them into factors to determine three main scores. 1) The militarisation sum, which represents the total estimated military strength of an alliance; 2) the latter score per nation in a given alliance; 3) the latter score per unit of infrastructure in an alliance. Edit: The new formula is focused on elimating short-term military indicators, which are far too variable (thank you for Penguin for this recommendation). It insteads focuses on long-term, hard to change factors: technology levels, naval units, nuclear missiles, and military wonders. The formula is now included in this post for critique. The first score uses a basic formula which leaves us with a relatively large number. Any direct comparison of the first scores determines how strong an alliance to another. What interested me the most was not the total strength itself, but how militarised each alliance was. To find this, I used the 2nd and 3rd scores. The 2nd score is a good starting point to give us an idea of how much military the average nation has in any given alliance. Moreover, due to the heavily-varying tech distributions of alliances, I chose the 3rd measure to use infrastructure. Alliances, thus, are militarised based on how many military forces they have available for each unit of infrastructure. n= 20 Formula: Militarisation Sum = 3*(naval units)+15*(nuclear missiles)+0.02*(technology)+100*(military wonders) As of October 29th, 2009 Position/Alliance---------------Militarisation Sum----' ' Per Nation-----' ' Per 10,000 Infra. 1) The Order Of The Paradox-------232156.26-------1009.375043-------1016.29157 2) Sparta------------------------------141975.18-------247.7751832-------577.5022728 3) Mostly Harmless Alliance---------126847.32-------198.8202508-------509.4902138 4) New Polar Order-------------------179053.02-------424.2962559-------740.95279 5) IRON--------------------------------139646.58-------263.4841132-------650.4404845 6) Orange Defense Network---------95438.14---------264.3715789-------519.9325338 7) Fark---------------------------------106824.32-------346.8322078-------686.5417676 8) Green Protection Agency----------61332.76--------227.1583704-------374.0051016 9) New Pacific Order------------------90301.02--------141.9827358-------482.591213 10) FOK---------------------------------110844.26--------461.8510833-------828.9423165 11) World Task Force-------------------66828.3---------280.7911765-------501.2195177 12) Mushroom Kingdom----------------127064.56-------738.7474419-------1062.888165 13) The Order Of Light-----------------87278.68---------359.1715226-------636.0460193 14) The Democratic Order-------------41917.1----------91.72231947-------315.7135605 15) Viridian Entente---------------------83557.48-------277.5996013--------670.0873482 16) The Legion--------------------------47029.8---------115.8369458--------415.2254084 17) Ragnarok---------------------------24419.06--------81.12644518---------214.4522869 18) GATO--------------------------------49362.9---------143.9151603---------447.4592588 19) CSN---------------------------------57975.6---------294.2923858----------586.5695924 20) Athens------------------------------59242.96--------332.825618-----------632.2135332 21) The Grämlins-----------------------78337.7---------1044.502667---------994.4676827 22) United Purple Nations--------------36771.04--------158.4958621---------369.2060537 23) Multicolored Cross-X Alliance-----34334.74--------147.994569----------327.4753259 24) Random Insanity Alliance---------55944.64---------236.0533333---------667.3693704 25) Siberian Tiger Alliance-------------56249.92--------304.0536216---------696.0969018 26) Invicta------------------------------43109.22---------224.5271875---------530.9605744 27) North Atlantic Defense Coalition--33018.6----------207.6641509----------401.7672669 28) RnR---------------------------------41391.24---------188.142--------------573.5814021 29) M*A*S*H---------------------------40966.72--------330.3767742---------517.7756488 30) We Are Perth Army----------------27533.06--------195.2699291---------370.3173777 31) Nueva Vida-------------------------51308.42--------420.5608197---------731.6374868 32) Monos Archein---------------------32452.34---------179.2946961---------463.668446 33) LOSS--------------------------------38297.4----------281.5985294---------539.8311046 34) Umbrella----------------------------62751.18---------936.5847761---------1169.807782 35) Nusantara Elite Warriors-----------39479.2----------254.7045161---------614.0694435 36) New Sith Order---------------------39387.84---------204.0820725---------658.4459222 37) Federation Of Armed Nations-----41764.62----------278.4308------------635.097094 38) The Sweet Oblivion----------------52969.54----------945.8846429--------1024.649049 39) NATO-------------------------------26945.38----------147.2425137---------481.9696352 40) The Templar Knights--------------26594.18----------237.4480357---------468.3681898 41) Nordreich---------------------------37285.4-----------305.6180328---------699.1672339 42) The International------------------28547.16----------254.8853571---------500.2157012 43) Greenland Republic---------------39115.62----------323.2695868---------647.4316661 44) FEAR-------------------------------33857.58-----------338.5758------------659.1258269 45) The Foreign Division--------------23205.16----------179.8849612---------442.5686926 46) Vanguard--------------------------46550.36-----------694.7814925--------1017.974825 47) Grand Lodge of Freemasons-----21100.32----------157.4650746---------402.505799 48) Global Order Of Darkness--------46750.54-----------584.38175----------967.9681806 49) Poison Clan------------------------51988.84-----------866.4806667--------1266.488346 50) Argent------------------------------40017.7-----------579.9666667---------876.6890708 End-notes: Factors not included - spies and warchests. Rankings: I - By Total Score 1) The Order Of The Paradox 2) New Polar Order 3) Sparta 4) Independent Republic Of Orange Nations 5) Mushroom Kingdom 6) Mostly Harmless Alliance 7) FOK 8) Fark 9) Orange Defense Network 10) New Pacific Order 11) The Order Of Light 12) Viridian Entente 13) The Grämlins 14) World Task Force 15) Umbrella 16) Green Protection Agency 17) Athens 18) Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations 19) Siberian Tiger Alliance 20) Random Insanity Alliance 21) The Sweet Oblivion 22) Poison Clan 23) Nueva Vida 24) Global Alliance And Treaty Organization 25) The Legion 26) Global Order Of Darkness 27) Vanguard 28) Invicta 29) The Democratic Order 30) Federation Of Armed Nations 31) RnR 32) M*A*S*H 33) Argent 34) Nusantara Elite Warriors 35) New Sith Order 36) Greenland Republic 37) LOSS 38) Nordreich 39) United Purple Nations 40) Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 41) Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics 42) North Atlantic Defense Coalition 43) Monos Archein 44) The International 45) We Are Perth Army 46) NATO 47) The Templar Knights 48) Ragnarok 49) The Foreign Division 50) The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons II - By Score Per Nation 1) The Grämlins 2) The Order Of The Paradox 3) The Sweet Oblivion 4) Umbrella 5) Poison Clan 6) Mushroom Kingdom 7) Vanguard 8) Global Order Of Darkness 9) Argent 10) FOK 11) New Polar Order 12) Nueva Vida 13) The Order Of Light 14) Fark 15) Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics 16) Athens 17) M*A*S*H 18) Greenland Republic 19) Nordreich 20) Siberian Tiger Alliance 21) Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations 22) LOSS 23) World Task Force 24) Federation Of Armed Nations 25) Viridian Entente 26) Orange Defense Network 27) Independent Republic Of Orange Nations 28) The International 29) Nusantara Elite Warriors 30) Sparta 31) The Templar Knights 32) Random Insanity Alliance 33) Green Protection Agency 34) Invicta 35) North Atlantic Defense Coalition 36) New Sith Order 37) Mostly Harmless Alliance 38) We Are Perth Army 39) RnR 40) The Foreign Division 41) Monos Archein 42) United Purple Nations 43) The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons 44) Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 45) NATO 46) Global Alliance And Treaty Organization 47) New Pacific Order 48) The Legion 49) The Democratic Order 50) Ragnarok III - Per 10,000 infrastructure 1) Poison Clan 2) Umbrella 3) Mushroom Kingdom 4) The Sweet Oblivion 5) Vanguard 6) The Order Of The Paradox 7) The Grämlins 8) Global Order Of Darkness 9) Argent 10) FOK 11) New Polar Order 12) Nueva Vida 13) Nordreich 14) Siberian Tiger Alliance 15) Fark 16) Viridian Entente 17) Random Insanity Alliance 18) Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics 19) New Sith Order 20) Independent Republic Of Orange Nations 21) Greenland Republic 22) The Order Of Light 23) Federation Of Armed Nations 24) Athens 25) Nusantara Elite Warriors 26) Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations 27) Sparta 28) RnR 29) LOSS 30) Invicta 31) Orange Defense Network 32) M*A*S*H 33) Mostly Harmless Alliance 34) World Task Force 35) The International 36) New Pacific Order 37) NATO 38) The Templar Knights 39) Monos Archein 40) Global Alliance And Treaty Organization 41) The Foreign Division 42) The Legion 43) The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons 44) North Atlantic Defense Coalition 45) Green Protection Agency 46) We Are Perth Army 47) United Purple Nations 48) Multicolored Cross-X Alliance 49) The Democratic Order 50) Ragnarok Edited October 29, 2009 by Eamon Valda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trace Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 You rank WTF as first. This therefore is totally inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) You rank WTF as first. This therefore is totally inaccurate. On the contrary, it is purely based on statistics and it turns out WTF is quite high in them. Have you seen them lately? I imagine you would be suprised. Also, to reiterate, military strength (literally) does not equate to military ability. I am not ranking who I think is the most capable alliance but merely who ranks the highest in terms of military size in terms of alliance size. That is how 'militarised' an alliance is. Edited October 22, 2009 by Eamon Valda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilien Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Militarization is a measure of who's inflating their stats more to achieve sanctioned status, which is probably why you ranked WTF #1 instead of somewhere below the Supremacy League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Militarization is generally a bad thing but when you include nukes it skews the stats and doesn't provide any real meaning at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Militarization is a measure of who's inflating their stats more to achieve sanctioned status, which is probably why you ranked WTF #1 instead of somewhere below the Supremacy League. Your premise and conclusion are correct, but you are assuming I am ranking them based on capability. I am not. I am ranking them purely based on how much military they have based on their size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Militarization is generally a bad thing but when you include nukes it skews the stats and doesn't provide any real meaning at all. That's true, nukes were much more heavily weighed than other components purely based on cost/damage factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essenia Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 No alliance should be rewarded for keeping spare cruise missiles. The correct number of those for any nation to have is 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James I Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I wish it was without further adieu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsure Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I would at least hope that none of these alliances would be fully mobilized. Since, you know, the war's over and such. As such, what seems to be getting ranked is how much extra crap is left over that people forgot to decom, plus nukes. Which tbqh isn't really that good a measure; I'm sure TOP and Sparta, when fully mobilized, would have completely ridiculous amounts of military NS just from sheer size, either in population and thus soldiers/tanks or number of nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trout Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 You rank WTF as first. This therefore is totally inaccurate. This man speaks the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyGrub Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Pointless stats only delude people who want to have their ego stroked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 HAH! This is hilarious... I think we'll have to start decomming and re-building military randomly just to screw with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uralica Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 No alliance should be rewarded for keeping spare cruise missiles. The correct number of those for any nation to have is 0. Agreed. This is something I've been beating into TOOL member's brains for the last couple weeks (only after the MilCom decided to listen to me about them ) Of course some people are so damned stubborn )): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 This man speaks the truth. Again, the ranking of them as first is completely correct based on the question of the analysis: which alliance has the most military per unit of infrastructure? WTF is it. To further think about it, having a lot of military is not necessarily a good thing; first, you have high maintenance costs (and, according to my figures, it is likely that WTF has relatively the highest expenses based on their size); second, you store a lot of useless crap. As for the joke about CMs, I concur entirely, but I included CMs in my calculations because I am not figuring out how useful their military is, only how much they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogeWilliam Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I think you did a good job actually and thank you for doing this. Compared to some other stat threads made recently, this is actually legit stats and it would be interesting to track this over time and especially when a war starts. I would like to see a 'per technology' count too though. And everyone complaining about WTF, please stop. They do indeed have some scary numbers and this is about stats not who you 'think' is the best fighter in the game. Although they do not have any war experience all signs point to them being a major factor if they are ever in a war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarikmo Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Pointless stats only delude people who want to have their ego stroked. But it feels so good Grub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) Although they do not have any war experience all signs point to them being a major factor if they are ever in a war. Or they have too many cruise missiles in peace time. Edited October 22, 2009 by Voodoo Nova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursarkar E Creed Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Good job, but fairly pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Militarization of most items is a snap decision. Why inflate your nation so that it faces stronger foes in a war when you can stay slim and militarize after you are hit? I'm proud that my alliance has one of the highest Nuke:CM ratios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogeWilliam Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Militarization of most items is a snap decision. Why inflate your nation so that it faces stronger foes in a war when you can stay slim and militarize after you are hit? I'm proud that my alliance has one of the highest Nuke:CM ratios. The CM debate is highly overrated methinks. Such a small change in NS isn't going to change who you fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) The CM debate is highly overrated methinks. Such a small change in NS isn't going to change who you fight. It's indicative of tanks, soldiers, aircrafts and all other sources of NS inflation that you can purchase on the fly. Redo the statistics with only time dependent militarization (nukes and maybe navy) if you want it to be meaningful. Or redo it factoring in maximum soldier, tank, aircraft and CM levels rather than current levels. Edited October 22, 2009 by Penguin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I think you did a good job actually and thank you for doing this. Compared to some other stat threads made recently, this is actually legit stats and it would be interesting to track this over time and especially when a war starts. I would like to see a 'per technology' count too though. And everyone complaining about WTF, please stop. They do indeed have some scary numbers and this is about stats not who you 'think' is the best fighter in the game. Although they do not have any war experience all signs point to them being a major factor if they are ever in a war. I was planning to update this thread weely so we could get an idea of how the numbers change over time (that is, who is building more military and who is decommissioning it). @Penguin: As for 'being pointless', it's important to keep in mind that my goal is not to make a larger inference of military prowess or ability but just to figure out who has a lot of military for their size. I think that helps us determine some possible things: who possesses an abnormally large military; who could be inflating/underscoring their alliance strength; what factors will place imbalances in these totals; the long-term applications of who is changing their military sizes and for what reasons. If you disagree, though, that's cool. I think it's useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogeWilliam Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 It's indicative of tanks, soldiers, aircrafts and all other sources of NS inflation that you can purchase on the fly. Redo the statistics with only time dependent militarization (nukes and maybe navy) if you want it to be meaningful. I agree with your point there. infra, tech, military wonders, nukes, navy per nations is probably the best way to look at military potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 (edited) @Penguin: As for 'being pointless', it's important to keep in mind that my goal is not to make a larger inference of military prowess or ability but just to figure out who has a lot of military for their size. I think that helps us determine some possible things: who possesses an abnormally large military; who could be inflating/underscoring their alliance strength; what factors will place imbalances in these totals; the long-term applications of who is changing their military sizes and for what reasons. If you disagree, though, that's cool. I think it's useful. I didn't go so far as to say it was pointless, it does do some of what you said, but isn't the most useful question to apply these statistics to that of an alliance's military preparedness or capacity? I am simply shouting out ideas on how to make your statistics more meaningful. A good statistic is not one that is just technically correct, but one that provides a useful quantitative measure often to support or refute an otherwise qualitative observation. I understand what you are trying to do, but your statistic is not quite to that point yet so I am trying to be constructive and help it get there. Edited October 22, 2009 by Penguin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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