Eamon Valda Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 An interesting way to actually measure the speed and breadth of "militarization" (dirty Brits) as such, would to be measure the change of the "meaningless" stats (tanks, soldiers, CMs) from a pre-war to war timeframe. A rate of mobilis- oh wait, non-British - mobilization, perhaps? @Kowalski: I admit that is the major flaw with any use of these rankings to determine which alliance would be better than another during war time (something I never intended to provided an answer to). I think, however, that it does provide an idea of which alliances have the most long-term military weaponry (and thus, hypothetically, will be more ready for battle). Moreover, thinking of Cortath's point, it is not only this but the regular units which matter. However, the regular units can be purchased rapidly. In a war situation, purchasing them rapidly and deploying them correctly is equally important to other factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkO Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 none of this matters until a war.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) An interesting way to actually measure the speed and breadth of "militarization" (dirty Brits) as such, would to be measure the change of the "meaningless" stats (tanks, soldiers, CMs) from a pre-war to war timeframe. While that would be cool, it would be extremely difficult to measure, especially since it rarely happens and it's difficult to pinpoint the exact time that militarization starts. none of this matters until a war.......... Yes it does. The more you can bring to the table come war time, the less likely a conflict is to break out into a war. Edited October 23, 2009 by flak attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ch33kY Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Interesting statistics. The GPA is ahead of Legion and GATO. How time have changed. I reckon TDO is the new GPA, coming in at 20th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Scott Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I heard WTF roll 50 cm's deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) wrong button Edited October 23, 2009 by Lord Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacky Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) Faulty statistics are faulty. Militarisation Sum------ Per Nation------------Per Infra. 224,878.3--------------1,031.5---------- 1,017.4 Using TOP as an example. You're implying that TOP has 221 units of infrastructure, when they have 10,000 times that number. It should be per 10,000 units of infrastructure. Secondly, please format it so it doesn't come out so atrocious looking. Thirdly, please use a decimal seperator of some sort this is a pain to look at. Finally, significant figures. Edited October 23, 2009 by Blacky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 You know what would be a good statistic to measure military competence? If admin installed a tool which measures how many alliance members attacked within 30 minutes of update time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WcaesarD Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 You know what would be a good statistic to measure military competence?If admin installed a tool which measures how many alliance members attacked within 30 minutes of update time. How about how many declared within 30 minutes of each other? The 30 minutes of update wouldn't take into account things like the servers going down during every major war, or alliances like FOK who aren't on at game update times. Also, I don't see a single applicable use to the op, and like Jack said, there are alliances outside of the top 20 score wise that could do a lot more damage than those within it, and have much better militarization stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Scott Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Who attacks 30 minutes before update? 10:45 is where it's at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Real men don't need 30 minutes for a blitz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Who attacks 30 minutes before update? 10:45 is where it's at. That would have been cutting it pretty close during Karma, the servers often went down around then. You might look dumb declaring at U-30, but you look even dumber declaring at U-15 and not getting any attacks in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Faulty statistics are faulty.Militarisation Sum------ Per Nation------------Per Infra. 224,878.3--------------1,031.5---------- 1,017.4 Using TOP as an example. You're implying that TOP has 221 units of infrastructure, when they have 1,000 times that number. It should be per 10,000 units of infrastructure. Secondly, please format it so it doesn't come out so atrocious looking. Thirdly, please use a decimal seperator of some sort this is a pain to look at. Finally, significant figures. edit: >_> wall of digits... Please read my end notes. It's not 1000 times that number but 10,000 times. I multiplied it for direct comparison to per nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Scott Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Real men don't need 30 minutes for a blitz. Real men don't blitz. They just swagger in when they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacky Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Please read my end notes. It's not 1000 times that number but 10,000 times. I multiplied it for direct comparison to per nation. So TOP has 2 million infra eh? Perhaps it should say "per 10,000 infra" in the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) So TOP has 2 million infra eh? Perhaps it should say "per 10,000 infra" in the title. Actually, good point. I will use it. Thanks for the suggestion. Edit: I have updated it. Edited October 23, 2009 by Eamon Valda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespassianus Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 These stats look good, got their statistical weakness, but still informative, can you extend them for the the top 50 alliance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Looks pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 These stats look good, got their statistical weakness, but still informative, can you extend them for the the top 50 alliance? I can, I think. It'll take some more work, obviously, but I think it's a good idea. I will update it sometime this weekend then try to do half-weekly/weekly updates to show changes in data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizardo Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Well, it's pretty and a nice try. But given all the unknowns and unknowables it isn't much more useful than what we're provided with by the standard NS and score. As an expression of frustration with the present game statistical failings it has some value. Wish we had an in game statistical history, that would be very useful. Some kind of discussion on implementing a separate economic and military statistic would be interesting. Problem is that Admin has put WC off limits for consideration in stats. WC makes a big difference in war outcomes and it's the big invisible. Glad to see Mobilization considered. Wonders, trades and improvements are important to performance too but that really has to be evaluated nation by nation rather than summary. With all the manual guessing and data gathering necessary I don't see this being an effort that can be sustained for very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 With all the manual guessing and data gathering necessary I don't see this being an effort that can be sustained for very long. It will take about 2-4 hours a week with 50 alliances, I am guessing. I am using spreadsheets to speed up calculation, so in that sense, it won't be too long. But it's something fun to do when I have nothing else to do. As for the mobilisation index idea, I think it's a cool thought. I am not sure how it would be precisely done, but I have an idea. Question remaining is whether I can make it a numerical value (continuous variable) or just a ranking (ordinal variable). Either works, I guess. Hardest part will be data collection if I try to do this. Obviously it would require a lot of guesswork on how quickly any given alliance could mobilise, and it would be just an estimate, but if it could be done well, combined with this militarisation rating, we could guess how ready an alliance could be for a war (which is very useful data, if you ask me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Updated as of today. I) Now includes top 50 alliances. II) Now organised rankings into 3 clear listings. III) Total ranking removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogeWilliam Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Good job. And I'm not just saying that b/c I'm a TOP stat hugger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinite Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Should have a new post for each update so we can compare over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eamon Valda Posted October 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 That's the game plan from now on. I only edited today's because it has been expanded to 50 alliances, so I figure I should just start fresh with all of them. I will bring an update next and it will be posted in the thread as a new reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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