Unfounded Accusations against the MHA and her Government

[scutterbug]

So yes as many people know Emily has again started her crusade of hate against the MHA and once again feels it neccessary for the whole CN world to see it.

I will be the first to admit all parties concerned have a colourful history and don't always act as we should do.

Once again this all kicked up a couple of days ago when FarmerJohn decided to query Emily in and converse in a civil and polite manner. I also see once again yet more open admissions to still accessing our forums illegally and spying once more. *sigh*

2 days or so after the query she dumped im then alerted on IRC by farmerjohn that Emily is launching a tirade of attacks on him in wapa's irc channel. Which then lead to WAPA gov having to remove her from their channel. She then also went on to attack him in private. SO doing the government thing we took our complaints to OSA gov as did another OSA member who also witnessed Emily's tirade of insults.

Now obviously as any sovereign alliance we wanted to resolve it diplomatically but somehow Emily feels this is us once again targetting her and being vindictive people.

In response to the dumps of PM's sent to her, these were sent to her after she could not leave these members alone and would send them messages over and over again. It is infact Emily that cannot let this lie as her new attempt at starting proves once again.

"Quote Emily

They have:

Started yet another emily hate thread [TBH they make me feel important - I like the attention!]

Trawled through all my OWF posts, looking for ANYTHING they can report me on in an aim to get me banned!

Ridiculed me for being mentally unstable, commenting on how I may have stopped taking meds, and discussing what they would need to do to push me over the edge.

Decided to go to #WAPA government and pressure them into issuing a joint OWF denunciation of my actions towards Farmer John with the hope of getting the CN community to turn on me.

"

We have not started another Emily hate thread, it was merely a thread regarding ur IRC behaviour towards us, again only viewable my MHA member so thanks for putting that in to back up your claims of spying against us.

We have not trawled through your OWF posts, moderation used as a weapon is a bannable offense. Come on now we aint stupid and have no grudge.

As for the rediculing where? Please show me where thats just utter rubbish.

We have not had any contact with WAPA gov in regards to this incident nor are we supposedly pressuring them.

Now on a more serious note, the MHA harboursa no grudge from the past and just wanted to move on, yet somehow we cannot as you always like to target us with your hate. Now as for your open admissions to spying again that wasn't a great thing to do infront of the whole CN community and just shows ur true colours.

I bid you a good day and again wish for this all to just end and for everyone to go their own way.

In closing heres a conversation Emily had with me after all these incidents.

Session Start: Sat Sep 12 09:13:59 2009

Session Ident: emily[OSA]

[09:13] Session Ident: emily[OSA] (Coldfront, ScutterBug[MHA])

[09:13] <emily[OSA]> Do you have a minute?

01[09:14] <ScutterBug[MHA]> i do

[09:14] <emily[OSA]> can we talk?

01[09:14] <ScutterBug[MHA]> of course

[09:14] <emily[OSA]> I was going to apologise, but at the end of the day

[09:15] <emily[OSA]> this is only going to keep happening

[09:15] <emily[OSA]> till we think of a way of calming me down

[09:16] <emily[OSA]> FJ queried me out of the blue the other day

[09:16] <emily[OSA]> saying how he didn't agree with MHAs ZI and only declared to fill the slots

01[09:17] <ScutterBug[MHA]> yeah that didnt help things

[09:17] <emily[OSA]> not really

[09:17] <emily[OSA]> actually

[09:17] <emily[OSA]> all three of them stopped attacking!

[09:17] <emily[OSA]> that's why I sold my infra

01[09:18] <ScutterBug[MHA]> yeah

01[09:19] <ScutterBug[MHA]> i think that was due to some confusion over the whole issue im not totally sure as i dont know what got said down the military channel

[09:19] <emily[OSA]> well I had hoped the ZI would be an end to this

[09:19] <emily[OSA]> I never leakd any MHA stuff

[09:20] <emily[OSA]> tristram was winding you up trying to get you to think I was a vox spy

01[09:20] <ScutterBug[MHA]> thats why we were just happy to end it at the one ZI and then move on

[09:20] <emily[OSA]> but you weren't were yi

[09:20] <emily[OSA]> you?

[09:21] <emily[OSA]> you banned my ip then sent a page long list of threats

[09:21] <emily[OSA]> like a months later

01[09:21] <ScutterBug[MHA]> well we banned ur IP for security purposes

[09:21] <emily[OSA]> I had only just calmed down

01[09:21] <ScutterBug[MHA]> as to the long list of threats i never saw that so i dont know what was on it

[09:21] <emily[OSA]> started some silly OSA project that was occupying my attention

[09:22] <emily[OSA]> was completely away from MHA

[09:22] <emily[OSA]> i am not a security threat to you

[09:22] <emily[OSA]> however

[09:22] <emily[OSA]> these rows are upsetting for everyone

[09:24] <emily[OSA]> even if you think it's all my fault

01[09:24] <ScutterBug[MHA]> yes they are

[09:24] <emily[OSA]> it's you that needs to soften up

[09:24] <emily[OSA]> because I will overreat to the slightese aggression

[09:25] <emily[OSA]> you need to deal with me the other way around

[09:25] <emily[OSA]> i've been trying to tell you....

01[09:27] <ScutterBug[MHA]> we tim to be civil and polite in public

01[09:27] <ScutterBug[MHA]> but thats not easy when you start harassing one of our members in a completly neutral channel

01[09:27] <ScutterBug[MHA]> annoyed at him or not that was uncalled for

[09:27] <emily[OSA]> well

[09:27] <emily[OSA]> people who don't stand up for themselves annoy me

01[09:28] <ScutterBug[MHA]> he knows better than to engage you in a public fight

01[09:28] <ScutterBug[MHA]> especially in a channel neither one of our alliances has a claim to

[09:29] <emily[OSA]> well

[09:29] <emily[OSA]> i'm banned from yours

[09:29] <emily[OSA]> or

[09:30] <emily[OSA]> so you like to believe

[09:30] <emily[OSA]> I have alreDY TOLD JERDGE

[09:30] <emily[OSA]> I will not tolerate threats

[09:31] <emily[OSA]> and that court thing was just that

[09:31] <emily[OSA]> you can't sentance someone without a trial

[09:31] <emily[OSA]> especially when they already did a ZI

01[09:31] <ScutterBug[MHA]> wel your not a member of the MHA so you dont actually have a right to a trial

[09:31] <emily[OSA]> then by the same token

[09:31] <emily[OSA]> Iyou have no right to sentance

[09:32] <emily[OSA]> you got your precious ZI

01[09:32] <ScutterBug[MHA]> we do as a sovereign alliance

[09:32] <emily[OSA]> hope that 500 infra was worth it

[09:32] <emily[OSA]> now

01[09:32] <ScutterBug[MHA]> any person acting against us in any manner can be punished by us or the alliance you represent

[09:32] <emily[OSA]> i was not a threat to you

[09:32] <emily[OSA]> i came to you!

[09:33] <emily[OSA]> and after

[09:33] <emily[OSA]> I asked you to come and talk to me about sorting it out

[09:33] <emily[OSA]> as friends

[09:34] <emily[OSA]> WCR is too upset to deal with it

01[09:34] <ScutterBug[MHA]> hes not upset

[09:34] <emily[OSA]> he seems so

01[09:34] <ScutterBug[MHA]> hes just sick and tired of it all and is quite content on destroying your nation

07[09:34] <emily[OSA]> scutter

[09:34] <emily[OSA]> I barely speak to him

01[09:34] <ScutterBug[MHA]> but we aint going down that road

[09:34] <emily[OSA]> and

[09:35] <emily[OSA]> he already destroyed my nation... what did that achieve?

[09:36] <emily[OSA]> just like everyone else

[09:36] <emily[OSA]> i only act like a ***** if I#m upset

[09:37] <emily[OSA]> i'm really hurt by what MHA did

[09:37] <emily[OSA]> but it's done

[09:38] <emily[OSA]> well

[09:38] <emily[OSA]> anyway

[09:38] <emily[OSA]> you can keep going down this course

[09:38] <emily[OSA]> and there'll be another incident in a few weeks

[09:39] <emily[OSA]> or you can get in touch with me and we can try to srt something a bit better out

[09:39] <emily[OSA]> btw

[09:39] <emily[OSA]> thanks for at least trying to get me to row with you in private;)

01[09:39] <ScutterBug[MHA]> lol

[09:39] <emily[OSA]> had you been a bit nicer I probably would have

01[09:39] <ScutterBug[MHA]> i dont aim to row with you

01[09:40] <ScutterBug[MHA]> you come to me wanting top talk politely and civil im more than happy to reutrn that

[09:40] <emily[OSA]> i'd rather row than be blocked

01[09:40] <ScutterBug[MHA]> to*

[09:40] <emily[OSA]> yeah - when did you learn to do that????

[09:41] <emily[OSA]> ok

[09:41] <emily[OSA]> well

[09:41] <emily[OSA]> last thing

[09:41] <emily[OSA]> tristram was pestering me a bout that spy attack again

01[09:41] <ScutterBug[MHA]> yeah its all hes on about atm

[09:42] <emily[OSA]> so i thought **** it and blamed it on kowalski

[09:42] <emily[OSA]> missed a trick relly should have said it was myth

01[09:42] <ScutterBug[MHA]> lol

[09:42] <emily[OSA]> so now he's mega confused

[09:43] <emily[OSA]> he was 99% sure it was KM

[09:43] <emily[OSA]> just ignore him

[09:43] <emily[OSA]> it's not even his business

[09:43] <emily[OSA]> wait till/if noli asks

01[09:43] <ScutterBug[MHA]> yea

[09:44] <emily[OSA]> ok cya

01[09:44] <ScutterBug[MHA]> cya

Session Close: Sat Sep 12 09:44:20 2009

Session Start: Sat Sep 12 09:54:52 2009

Session Ident: emily[OSA]

[09:54] Session Ident: emily[OSA] (Coldfront, ScutterBug[MHA])

[09:54] <emily[OSA]> oh and

01[09:55] <ScutterBug[MHA]> yesh?

[09:55] <emily[OSA]> I'd really rather you were just honest

01[09:55] <ScutterBug[MHA]> honest regarding what?

[09:55] <emily[OSA]> because that's what I'm trying to be with you

01[09:56] <ScutterBug[MHA]> im being as honest as i can with the information i have available to me

01[09:56] No such nick/channel

Session Close: Sat Sep 12 09:56:19 2009

Session Start: Sat Sep 12 09:59:02 2009

Session Ident: emily[OSA]

[09:59] Session Ident: emily[OSA]

[09:59] <emily[OSA]> ;

01[09:59] <ScutterBug[MHA]> i dont have a clue what your on about now

[10:00] <emily[OSA]> don't be all nice to me

[10:00] <emily[OSA]> then spiteful being

[10:00] <emily[OSA]> behind my back

01[10:00] <ScutterBug[MHA]> excuse me?

[10:00] <emily[OSA]> a 600 member alliance has too many leeks

[10:01] <emily[OSA]> did I spell that right?

01[10:01] <ScutterBug[MHA]> no but thats besides the point

[10:02] <emily[OSA]> well

01[10:02] <ScutterBug[MHA]> you dont help yourself talking in riddles or also protecting any spy we may have

[10:02] <emily[OSA]> if you want to be a *****

[10:02] <emily[OSA]> please

[10:02] <emily[OSA]> just let it out

01[10:02] <ScutterBug[MHA]> let what out?

[10:03] <emily[OSA]> youre hate?

[10:03] <emily[OSA]> you'll feel much better afterwards

[10:03] <emily[OSA]> and at least I will have some idea about who I'm dealing with

01[10:04] <ScutterBug[MHA]> i hold no hate

[10:04] <emily[OSA]> good

[10:04] <emily[OSA]> glad to hear it

[10:04] <emily[OSA]> i do

[10:04] <emily[OSA]> but only in short bursts

[10:04] <emily[OSA]> more anger really

01[10:05] <ScutterBug[MHA]> yeah we notice that

[10:05] <emily[OSA]> hehe

[10:06] <emily[OSA]> you don't have spies - just gossips

01[10:06] <ScutterBug[MHA]> so whos the one gossiping

[10:06] <emily[OSA]> it doesn't matter

01[10:06] <ScutterBug[MHA]> well it does

01[10:06] <ScutterBug[MHA]> otherwise ur not helping yourself really

01[10:06] <ScutterBug[MHA]> making baseless accusations against me with no proof provided to me

[10:07] <emily[OSA]> well

[10:07] <emily[OSA]> I only asked

[10:07] <emily[OSA]> you denied - more or less i think

[10:07] <emily[OSA]> so it's done

[10:07] <emily[OSA]> when do I get my group hug????

01[10:08] <ScutterBug[MHA]> at this rate never

[10:08] <emily[OSA]>

[10:08] <emily[OSA]> you know I had been sooooooo good

01[10:08] <ScutterBug[MHA]> for someone wanting it all over with you dont help yourself with lack of cooperation

[10:08] <emily[OSA]> for ages

[10:08] <emily[OSA]> lol

[10:08] <emily[OSA]> I think the same of you

[10:09] <emily[OSA]> we really should both start pulling in the same direction

01[10:09] <ScutterBug[MHA]> well when im presented with baselesds accusations against myself

01[10:09] <ScutterBug[MHA]> how on earth can i pull in that direction?

[10:10] <emily[OSA]> yeah

[10:10] <emily[OSA]> well

[10:10] <emily[OSA]> I should stop listening to people whispering in my ear

[10:10] <emily[OSA]> even if wellmeaning

[10:10] <emily[OSA]> it doesn't really help

[10:13] <emily[OSA]> i just don't kn ow how to deal with you guys

[10:13] <emily[OSA]> you are so aggressive

01[10:13] <ScutterBug[MHA]> no we aint at all

01[10:14] <ScutterBug[MHA]> who keeps starting the arassment against us all the **** we get

01[10:14] <ScutterBug[MHA]> its you

01[10:14] <ScutterBug[MHA]> not us

[10:14] <emily[OSA]> ok

[10:14] <emily[OSA]> so this is the problem....

[10:14] <emily[OSA]> you want me to dissapear

[10:14] <emily[OSA]> yet

[10:14] <emily[OSA]> I'm still around

[10:15] <emily[OSA]> and btw... it's generally just the trum that get it

01[10:15] <ScutterBug[MHA]> we just want you to remain civil in public around us as we are too you

01[10:15] <ScutterBug[MHA]> in private u can insult us all you like

06[10:15] * emily[OSA] tries to think of somehing really insulting to say

[10:16] <emily[OSA]> ok

[10:16] <emily[OSA]> I can manage that

[10:16] <emily[OSA]> but

[10:16] <emily[OSA]> I need something from you

01[10:16] <ScutterBug[MHA]> and that is?

[10:17] <emily[OSA]> i need you ALL to bear in mind, both sides are still upset

[10:17] <emily[OSA]> so if I fail a bit

[10:17] <emily[OSA]> don't make a big deal of it

01[10:17] <ScutterBug[MHA]> we are not upset

01[10:18] <ScutterBug[MHA]> we hold no grudges the past is the past

[10:18] <emily[OSA]> angry = upset

[10:18] <emily[OSA]> fine

[10:18] <emily[OSA]> so then you wouldn't have a problem with a completely clean slate?

[10:19] <emily[OSA]> guess not

[10:19] <emily[OSA]> it's ok - we all still got baggage!

01[10:19] <ScutterBug[MHA]> we dont have a problem with a clean slate

[10:20] <emily[OSA]> well then you need to remove that court thingy from me

[10:20] <emily[OSA]> and I don't think you're reaDY TO DO THAT?

01[10:20] <ScutterBug[MHA]> you now for well i dont have the power to overturn the court

01[10:20] <ScutterBug[MHA]> nor will they ever overturn a ruling

[10:21] <emily[OSA]> yes you do

[10:21] <emily[OSA]> as it was not a court ruling

01[10:21] <ScutterBug[MHA]> it was the moment the court agreed to it

[10:22] <emily[OSA]> they didn't agree apparently

[10:22] <emily[OSA]> you see

[10:22] <emily[OSA]> i already been though this with them

[10:22] <emily[OSA]> plus

[10:22] <emily[OSA]> don't tel anyone.....

[10:23] <emily[OSA]> but it's just a game - you can do what you like!

01[10:23] <ScutterBug[MHA]> actions hold consequences

01[10:23] <ScutterBug[MHA]> in life and on a game

[10:23] <emily[OSA]> yes

[10:23] <emily[OSA]> and my consequences were ZI

Session Close: Sat Sep 12 10:24:34 2009

Session Start: Sat Sep 12 10:24:40 2009

Session Ident: emily[OSA]

[10:24] Session Ident: emily[OSA] (Coldfront, ScutterBug[MHA])

[10:24] <emily[OSA]> but you applied more penalties

[10:24] <emily[OSA]> to try to resolve things - i know

[10:25] <emily[OSA]> but that is not the effect they are having is it?

01[10:25] <ScutterBug[MHA]> only because ur persistant in pushing things

01[10:25] <ScutterBug[MHA]> you see it as a challenge to get around

[10:25] <emily[OSA]> your cort declaration bothers me

01[10:25] <ScutterBug[MHA]> you cant just drop it and let it in the past

[10:25] <emily[OSA]> precisely

[10:25] <emily[OSA]> i can't

01[10:26] <ScutterBug[MHA]> then this wont ever go away

[10:26] <emily[OSA]> i have no capacity to heal

[10:26] <emily[OSA]> unless we find some other resolution

[10:27] <emily[OSA]> that was what I was trying to tell you

[10:27] <emily[OSA]> some people are just wired differently

Session Close: Sat Sep 12 10:29:38 2009

Session Start: Sat Sep 12 10:30:36 2009

Session Ident: emily[OSA]

[10:30] Session Ident: emily[OSA] (Coldfront, ScutterBug[MHA])

[10:30] <emily[OSA]> srly - give revrse psychology a go!

Session Close: Sat Sep 12 10:31:05 2009

Session Start: Sat Sep 12 10:31:11 2009

Session Ident: emily[OSA]

[10:31] Session Ident: emily[OSA] (Coldfront, ScutterBug[MHA])

[10:31] <emily[OSA]> you should see me trying it on jerdge!

[10:31] <emily[OSA]> it's hilarious

Session Close: Sat Sep 12 10:31:27 2009

Session Start: Sat Sep 12 10:38:00 2009

Session Ident: emily[OSA]

[10:38] Session Ident: emily[OSA] (Coldfront, ScutterBug[MHA])

[10:38] <emily[OSA]> ok - so no group hug...

Session Close: Sat Sep 12 10:38:04 2009

Session Start: Sat Sep 12 10:38:40 2009

Session Ident: emily[OSA]

[10:38] Session Ident: emily[OSA]

[10:38] <emily[OSA]> are we agreed on me not being a pain, on condition that occasional mild relapses will be tolerated?

Session Close: Sat Sep 12 10:38:53 2009

As you can see she obviously had no intent of staying true to her word or stay true to OSA again revealing information about them. Emily i really didnt want it come to this but sadly when you continue this campaign against us the real truth does come out.

Please for the love of the kittens let it all end, drop the campaign against us. We hold no grudges and dont want anything to continue!

[emily]

please see scutters other posts today*

[King Death II]

Please for the love of the kittens let it all end, drop the campaign against us. We hold no grudges and dont want anything to continue!

Emily, Id do what this guy says. Just walk away like this never happened.

[scutterbug]

Edited out as it was innapropriate of me to post here.

Edited September 14, 2009 by scutterbug

[Thorgrum]

This is a great reply to the other thread and I for one look forward to a healthy civil exchange where more nonsensical mud can be slung and dirty laundry hung for us all to review, comment on and judge in the public forums.

As i said to her i say to you and MHA, thank you. By not letting it die and starting a new rebuttal thread you've helped continue the saga, one in which i personally find very entertaining.

Cheers, and good luck!

[Jack Diorno]

MHA has the nicest and most respectful Gov members around, it is rather displeasing that Emily has taken it upon herself to continue her smear campaign.

Hope you guys work it all out.

[emily]

Ironic you acuse me of using moderation as a weapon for following forum rules. Surely its you using it as a weapon against me for reporting you for rule breaking?

No U!

And what have I told you before about posting without getting a grown-up to help you?

[Jack Diorno]

No U!

And what have I told you before about posting without getting a grown-up to help you?

Real mature, I am sure their is a different person who needs help posting.

[emily]

Real mature, I am sure their is a different person who needs help posting.

Lol - I was trying to communicate with scutter on his level - guess that was a bit to complex for you to get!

[Jack Diorno]

Lol - I was trying to communicate with scutter on his level - guess that was a bit to complex for you to get!

Lol - I'm a real dummy sometimes!

[Bob Janova]

I really shouldn't have tried to read through that.

[Deadshot]

No U!

And what have I told you before about posting without getting a grown-up to help you?

Sigh.

I sincerely hope this matter ends, but with rebuttals like that, I doubt it will be anytime soon.

[Teriethien]

I can't help but thing that MHA's best response is to have no response at all.

[emily]

I can't help but thing that MHA's best response is to have no response at all.

Probably - or at least not let scutter reply....

Group hug yet?...........

[Griff]

No U!

And what have I told you before about posting without getting a grown-up to help you?

Lol

Well that is an interesting and well thought-out, not to mention clever and timely- I might add, rebuttal.

[Thorgrum]

I can't help but thing that MHA's best response is to have no response at all.

Well yes, but if you post that to much they might actually consider it as a viable approach to this issue. I dont want that, do you? Lets face it this is pretty good stuff even if the problem could be easily solved with a click on that little "X" in the top right corner of thier screens.

Slow week is slow, the fact that the MHA actually posted a rebuttal after the foolishness that went on a month ago is very interesting indeed and suggests to me anyway that there has to be some substance to at least a portion of the claims made.

Or they care what she thinks.

Either of which is very interesting and you coming in giving them good advice mucks it all up.

[ChairmanHal]

I really shouldn't have tried to read through that.

No, the simple Picard emoticon isn't going to do here.

[tristram]

OSA Government Statement:

The Open Source Alliance does not and will not have anything to do with this issue. While we acknowledge that there are clearly tensions between Emily and MHA. We also support the continued freedom of speech that both parties have enjoyed. Hopefully, MHA and Emily can actually take the time to sit down and talk to finally put these issues behind them so we can continue on.

Clearly Emily is hurt, and clearly MHA is hurt over the issue, and we would like to see both parties either work it out, or start ignoring each other.

Our relations are not founded, nor disbanded based on an Alliance's opinion of one member.

thank you and goodluck, to both parties.

Nolissar will be available for signatures later.

[emily]

OSA Government Statement:

The Open Source Alliance does not and will not have anything to do with this issue. While we acknowledge that there are clearly tensions between Emily and MHA. We also support the continued freedom of speech that both parties have enjoyed. Hopefully, MHA and Emily can actually take the time to sit down and talk to finally put these issues behind them so we can continue on.

Clearly Emily is hurt, and clearly MHA is hurt over the issue, and we would like to see both parties either work it out, or start ignoring each other.

Our relations are not founded, nor disbanded based on an Alliance's opinion of one member.

thank you and goodluck, to both parties.

Nolissar will be available for signatures later.

Oh c'mon tris, we both know MHA will never take the time to sit down and sort it out.

I've been trying for months and all I get are 2 words from WCR or blatant two-faced lies from jerdge.

This could have been sorted any time....... still could, but it won't be because they are too consumed by their own hatred to see that I am not actually an enemy. And instead they elect to behave in a manner that only guarantees all this excitement will continue.

[Locke]

Lol

Well that is an interesting and well thought-out, not to mention clever and timely- I might add, rebuttal.

I do believe I'm in love.

That said, I do hope that both emily and MHA can finally put this mess behind them.

[hizzy]

I just finished watching all 4 seasons of The Unit just to procrastinate from studying and I was thinking to myself "hmm... what do I do now?"

Thanks guys!

[emily]

I do believe I'm in love.

That said, I do hope that both emily and MHA can finally put this mess behind them.

like I said, MHA are not up for that!

If they were I wouldn't be doing this suicide mission would I?

[hizzy]

like I said, MHA are not up for that!

If they were I wouldn't be doing this suicide mission would I?

I wouldn't call it a suicide mission. Those would at the very least have some impact or result.

What you're doing is the OWF equivalent to a scat party at the monkey exhibit. Just pointless.

[Locke]

like I said, MHA are not up for that!

If they were I wouldn't be doing this suicide mission would I?

Quite honestly...yes. Common sense isn't terribly common these days.

[emily]

I wouldn't call it a suicide mission. Those would at the very least have some impact or result.

What you're doing is the OWF equivalent to a scat party at the monkey exhibit. Just pointless.

so... stop posting in it then! Bye!