Aurion Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) Didn't know that in Sparta, members don't need to follow the rules. I kind of doubt Sparta is the only alliance that would cut members that they consider valuable a bit more slack. Or, you know, be willing to pay a small amount of reps in case they screwed something up. In fact, I'd say just about every alliance would. Interestingly, it looks like GDA is one of them, you just didn't consider the members expelled to be hugely valuable. So your comment is just silly Glad to see this resolved. Edited June 14, 2009 by Aurion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKilla Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Not recently, at least not that I know of. Well its good to see such diligent research was done in considering all this.... Hey, I did the "crime" I'll do the time. And to Schattenmann....I'm not pissed at my buddy. He needed the aid to "survive." In times of "war" you truly see who your buddies and allies really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thierra Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Due to aid funneled to NPO nations by the nations of Avistonia and Silentkilla are expelled from the GDA. Your engrish no make glammatical sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Didn't know that in Sparta, members don't need to follow the rules. Sorry that we value our members enough to talk things through and give second chances. Our bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejarue Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 I do not understand the tension here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necromancer V4L Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Deja: tl;dr, GDA was offered the opportunity to pay reparations to Sparta for aiding the NPO. GDA bailed at the last second and instead booted the two members. The bottom line, it was a classy move by Sparta not to just roll GDA for it and to give them the opportunity to get out of it pretty easily ($70mil,) but I suppose those members just weren't worth it. Watch your back, GDA membership, don't blink without being told too or your gov't might roll over on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacTalan Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 As said before, the members in question have pretty much been dead weight for quite some time (they have about 10 posts on our forums combined and neither of them has been on IRC for months). Active members are worth paying reps to keep, dead weight is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3000 Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Nice move. o/ GDA Edit: Robbed Mogar to get my first first? I believe Mogar got banned also good move GDA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I don't see the problem here. It seems GDA was offered the chance to pay reps to Sparta or boot the members. They chose to boot the members for the reason of not following orders. I don't know either of those characters so I can't comment on if it was a better decision of the two, but they chose one of the options to not get rolled, and that seems like a fair choice to me. It seems like the members got expelled for their own actions of disobeying a peace treaty signed by their government, I can't blame them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejarue Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Deja:tl;dr, GDA was offered the opportunity to pay reparations to Sparta for aiding the NPO. GDA bailed at the last second and instead booted the two members. The bottom line, it was a classy move by Sparta not to just roll GDA for it and to give them the opportunity to get out of it pretty easily ($70mil,) but I suppose those members just weren't worth it. Watch your back, GDA membership, don't blink without being told too or your gov't might roll over on you. I understand what happened. I just don't see why anyone's getting defensive... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 I understand what happened. I just don't see why anyone's getting defensive... I perhaps used too harsh words. However I won't stand for someone attempting to slander my alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKilla Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 What's done is done. No sense arguing over the semantics. Some take this way more serious then some. We were merely helping a buddy out despite the politics of it all. Funny thing is, it seems the alliance currently attacking me gave more thought / respect for my nation than the alliance I was in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) Why did they send aid to Pacificans? Did they provide reasons? And were these reasons taken into consideration before making this decision?However, from all appearances it seems currently that GDA has made an honourable decision. Hail! They were real life friends i believe. Please note that Sparta did not ask for the members to be kicked out as the peace terms stated, but we gave the option to have reps paid so GDA could keep their members. They still chose to cut the members. Sparta had brought only reps to the table at the start of the talks, and GDA were the ones that first mentioned the clause in their surrender terms. 300 million for a nuke or two is hardly cheap. I understand 230 million was for VE nations, and 70 was for Sparta, but still 70 million is steep. We recently lost 3 million of our tNS in war, we cannot afford this, we have members to rebuild. Edit: typo Edited June 15, 2009 by Rajistani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 It's my understanding that these members had caused similar problems before. I am not surprised to see them kicked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKilla Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 It's my understanding that these members had caused similar problems before. I am not surprised to see them kicked out. Such as? Kind of curious as to what we supposedly did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Z Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 What's done is done. No sense arguing over the semantics. Some take this way more serious then some. We were merely helping a buddy out despite the politics of it all.Funny thing is, it seems the alliance currently attacking me gave more thought / respect for my nation than the alliance I was in. You forgot about me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKilla Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 You forgot about me. My apology... I don't need more enemies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtkode Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 fail sentence is fail. *grammar* But anyway o/ expelling those who help thy enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKilla Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Now that Tulok nuked me...guess I can finally get the National War Memorial I've always wanted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masterfod Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Deja:tl;dr, GDA was offered the opportunity to pay reparations to Sparta for aiding the NPO. GDA bailed at the last second and instead booted the two members. The bottom line, it was a classy move by Sparta not to just roll GDA for it and to give them the opportunity to get out of it pretty easily ($70mil,) but I suppose those members just weren't worth it. Watch your back, GDA membership, don't blink without being told too or your gov't might roll over on you. Firstly, please don't lie about the figures or the circumstances. The reps were MUCH higher than the $70mil mark that you stated. And Raji is correct, we are rebuilding as it is, we could not afford to pay $300mil in reps. There really wasn't much of a choice. Secondly, I'm quite surprised that our "allies" would show their support in such a manner, considering that coming to your defence was the reason my alliance is in this position in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 Such as? Kind of curious as to what we supposedly did... Sending aid to people at war on the Hegemony side while under surrender terms. I'm just going off of memory here, I could be mistaken. I suppose it's also possible that this is the same incident but I seem to recall it being a few weeks ago and that seems liek quite a delay for kicking out members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKilla Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 (edited) Sending aid to people at war on the Hegemony side while under surrender terms. I'm just going off of memory here, I could be mistaken. I suppose it's also possible that this is the same incident but I seem to recall it being a few weeks ago and that seems liek quite a delay for kicking out members. you'd be correct because we both sent 2 sets of aid to that same nation. So given that, your correct. At no time during either of those 2 aids sets was anything said by anyone; enemy, ally or alliance. Was it understood....maybe by the people who set the terms. So I understand your statement earlier of "this happened before" however if it was such a gregious "crime" you'd think it would have been caught and delt with on the 19th of May when the first set was sent out. Just my two cents on the matter... Edited June 15, 2009 by SilentKilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schills Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 lol.... Just when I thought GDA was at the peak of failure. They show they don't even want members in their alliance. I'm shocked than an alliance with over 40 nations capable of easily sending more than 3mil every 10 days can't do this once or twice. lolGDAEconomylol I thought I read somewhere GDA was working on economy after the war... and they can't afford 300mil. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 you'd be correct because we both sent 2 sets of aid to that same nation. So given that, your correct. At no time during either of those 2 aids sets was anything said by anyone; enemy, ally or alliance. Was it understood....maybe by the people who set the terms.So I understand your statement earlier of "this happened before" however if it was such a gregious "crime" you'd think it would have been caught and delt with on the 19th of May when the first set was sent out. Just my two cents on the matter... Uh. I think it took us a few days to notice it, and maybe a couple more to get it sorted - but (again, unless I'm confusing the two) it was sorted out and I was under the impression you were told it was a no-no and reps were paid over it. If someone from GDA could clarify that would be great, my memory's a bit poor and I'm halfway around the world from my IRC logs at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKilla Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 lol.... Just when I thought GDA was at the peak of failure. They show they don't even want members in their alliance.I'm shocked than an alliance with over 40 nations capable of easily sending more than 3mil every 10 days can't do this once or twice. lolGDAEconomylol I thought I read somewhere GDA was working on economy after the war... and they can't afford 300mil. lol Both Avistonia and I could have covered the 300M between us...with the cash we have/had on hand. At least we could before the gang bang If I was a betting man...which I am....I'd put a large sum on more leaving. Loyalty & comradery trumps alliance "protection" / self preservation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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