Nelchael Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Perhaps it will not exist as a bloc on paper like Q did, but it will remain as an ideological bloc as long as the game is polarized in the current way. Until most of the major players change, Karma will exist in some form. What part of "Karma is changing the way this game is polarized" didn't you understand? What part of "Karma is changing the power dynamics of the major players" didn't understand? You acknowledge that your thesis rests upon the current polarization and balance of power in the world. Knowing that Karma is changing these, the rest of your post is drivel at best. TL;DR: Karma's raison d'etre is the re-polarization of the world and removal of power from the Hegemony. By definition, Karma must either turn on itself or dissipate once these are accomplished... and I wouldn't have it any other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King DrunkWino Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Why, that sounds strikingly like an alliance that started out around last August or so I'd say that they sound like some fine upstanding citizens who are trendsetters, but I wouldn't want to unduly inflate ego's. /though, one of those citizens is rather handsome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Nobody will be "mowing down" our friends in FACE. Mowing someone else down, then. The point is that not everything has to be a hard-and-fast, rigid ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) I will not resort to their level to punish them for their crimes. If you resort to genocide to punish a country for the act of genocide you are no better than them. I refuse to sink to their level.I have openly stated to my leaders that if they endorse the use of perma-ZI or forced re-rolls after this game I will walk. That is simply all there is to it. I have been perma-ZI'd, I will not do it to somebody else. Then you do not endorse Karma. Edited April 30, 2009 by Druid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkules Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Then you do not endorse Karma. Karma the movement stands for them getting theirs by casting them down for the things they've done. We don't have to use their methods to achieve that goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King DrunkWino Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Then you do not endorse Karma. Karma is a name describing a diverse group of people that have ended up on the side of changing the work. It's not karma, the actual philosophical ideal. /if the name Ballet Dancers would have been the one that termed this little revolution, you think people on that side of the fence would be prancing around in tights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Karma the movement stands for them getting theirs by casting them down for the things they've done. We don't have to use their methods to achieve that goal. Methods are immaterial. War is war, no matter the reason. The ledgers are full of debts that must be repaid. Staying your hand and giving mercy for past transgressions only puts your further into the hole. Do you think they would give your mercy, were the situations reversed? That they would stop? No; never. If we let them continue, they will return with the intention of destroying those who attempted to destroyed them. And when they do, they will not have the same frame of mind that you possess. -1 and .5 will never balance. It must be 1 to -1. There are debts to be paid still. Edited April 30, 2009 by Druid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Karma is a name describing a diverse group of people that have ended up on the side of changing the work. It's not karma, the actual philosophical ideal. "What goes around comes around" /if the name Ballet Dancers would have been the one that termed this little revolution, you think people on that side of the fence would be prancing around in tights? I do not believe that a revolution based around ballet, even Mozart's, would be successful. Null point. Edited April 30, 2009 by Druid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCToker Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Harsh punishments were dealt in the past; therefore, harsh punishments must be dealt in return. That is karma. By returning the sins of our enemies we are no better than that which we sought to throw down, and thus our actions wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 No one ever said it was a decent system. I tend to ignore systems that aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King DrunkWino Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 "What goes around comes around" I do not believe that a revolution based around ballet, even Mozart's, would be successful. Null point. No, it' id not a null point. You're getting hung up on a label that's the popular one to describe the diverse grouping on one side of this. It's just that, a label, and not the physical manifestation of a philosophical ideal. /and for the record, I think a revolution devoted to providing a less revealing codpiece for male ballet dancers would find success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) By returning the sins of our enemies we are no better than that which we sought to throw down, and thus our actions wasted. There are marked differences between senseless murder and revenge for a wrongful-act, as are there differences between Justice and Sadism. No, it' id not a null point. You're getting hung up on a label that's the popular one to describe the diverse grouping on one side of this. It's just that, a label, and not the physical manifestation of a philosophical ideal. I am quite sure that many embody the philosophy by citing past instances of wrong doings, unjust acts, and affronts by NPO. Phrases such as "what goes around comes around", "Needing a Stern Talking to Since 2006", "The Revolution Past its Time", and other such catchy iterations point to a desire for reconciliation. Furthermore, if the enemy is eliminated now, all things will be equal. There shall no longer be a reason for revenge on any account. Passing over Pacifica now will only perpetuate the desire for revenge, furthering the cycle. By failing to act now, you will ensure that this will happen again. Edited April 30, 2009 by Druid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Pretty bad write up by the OP - I wouldn't bother to read it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 There are marked differences between senseless murder and revenge for a wrongful-act, as are there differences between Justice and Sadism. Welcome to international anarchy, where the law is what we make of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 The Law has always been what the people make of it. Don't assume a change in the system means that it never existed previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta1212 Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 The Law has always been what the people make of it. Don't assume a change in the system means that it never existed previously. I never said we haven't always been living in international anarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Welcome to international anarchy, where the law is what we make of it. Urge to nit-pick rising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkules Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Methods are immaterial. War is war, no matter the reason. The ledgers are full of debts that must be repaid. Staying your hand and giving mercy for past transgressions only puts your further into the hole. Do you think they would give your mercy, were the situations reversed? That they would stop? No; never. If we let them continue, they will return with the intention of destroying those who attempted to destroyed them. And when they do, they will not have the same frame of mind that you possess. -1 and .5 will never balance. It must be 1 to -1. There are debts to be paid still. Of course they wouldn't. That's why we're where we are now. And if we stoop to their level of "mercy" then we become what we have just sought to end. And then we have done nothing but sate our dark pleasures with no true achievement of purpose. "Whoever battles monsters should take care not to become a monster too, for if you stare long enough into the Abyss, the Abyss stares also into you."- Friedrich Nietzsche That must be remembered by all of us in this current war lest we become the monsters we so hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Of course they wouldn't. That's why we're where we are now. And if we stoop to their level of "mercy" then we become what we have just sought to end. And then we have done nothing but sate our dark pleasures with no true achievement of purpose."Whoever battles monsters should take care not to become a monster too, for if you stare long enough into the Abyss, the Abyss stares also into you."- Friedrich Nietzsche That must be remembered by all of us in this current war lest we become the monsters we so hate. What Karma becomes after defeating the monster is up to that group. Cancer cannot be removed without the use of the scalpel, and at this stage in the proceedings, everyone seems to think that peeps can make incisions. Furthermore, Nietzsche is only quoted by teenagers and only understood by old men. Please stop cliche'ing up the place. Edited April 30, 2009 by Druid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) We're breaking new ground here. Edited April 30, 2009 by Nausea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkules Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 What Karma becomes after defeating the monster is up to that group. Cancer cannot be removed without the use of the scalpel, and at this stage in the proceedings, everyone seems to think that peeps can make incisions. Furthermore, Nietzsche is only quoted by teenagers and only understood by old men. Please stop cliche'ing up the place. Ouch, on the Nietzsche. Though ya missed the mark by a few years. The moment we give in to their tactics we become the monster. And I keep forgetting to say that most of what you say only really applies if we want to destroy NPO. In fact many of us don't. We want them humbled, beaten down, but not gone. The game would be a lesser place without NPO, even if only to because I won't be spending my time wondering what crazy trick they'll pull to take the top and obliterate us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Ouch, on the Nietzsche. Though ya missed the mark by a few years. The moment we give in to their tactics we become the monster. And I keep forgetting to say that most of what you say only really applies if we want to destroy NPO. In fact many of us don't. We want them humbled, beaten down, but not gone. The game would be a lesser place without NPO, even if only to because I won't be spending my time wondering what crazy trick they'll pull to take the top and obliterate us all. That is your prerogative then. Understand though, it is not mine. Edited April 30, 2009 by Druid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkules Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 That is your prerogative then. Understand, though, it is not mine. Fair enough. That would put us at an impasse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhambek Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 lol? Joke thread? Yes i think so. Intented or unintended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 This has to be one of the weakest efforts I have seen. No real effort put into it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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