Manetheren Posted February 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 OOC: Read the articles. "Reportedly" stealth does not mean there is such thing as stealth ICBMs. Sumeragi tried to claim the same thing with her super torpedoes, showing "evidence" of super fast torpedoes created by...wow...Russia and Iran...the two countries claiming stealth missiles. The missile might be "stealthy" but it doesn't mean it is invisible and untraceable. Large numbers of missiles are also trackable with ultra low frequency radar, they would appear as a flock of small birds or something (birds are stealthy due to their size) but with advanced computers it is possible to figure out what it is. As stated earlier, there is absolutely zero evidence anywhere of stealth from IR in the boost phase. These are rockets after all. Lastly, satellites use combinations of visual, IR and radar to track targets. Combine the three together and there is no way to hide hundreds of missiles. You can evade one, perhaps, maybe even two, but three? Not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergerberger II Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 The Empire of the Netherlands fully backs our allies in Tahoe. Dragonisia would be wise to stop lying to the world and take responsibility for their actions. Our own satellites saw the missiles moving through space, and this was confirmed by other satellite systems. Based on infrared readings of space taken routinely, we based the trajectory somewhere in Dragonisia. We will not back down from our allies. OOC: What the hell is with everyone claiming their governments didn't sanction actions just so they won't get rolled? It's really boring. Grow a pair and say you shot someone, then run around like mad trying to kill more people. It's really not that hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 If the slander against Dragonisia is true, our own hands are tied by the mere fact that both parties are allies of ours. We will refrain from any action against either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 The Former Dragonisian State of IndoChina is rather ashamed that we are related to a nation who refuses to accept blame for what obviously is their own actions. We condemn Dragonisia for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: Articles which support radar stealth only. There is no missile in the world today with IR stealth during the boost phase. OOC: I point you both to the first post on this page... OOC: Read the articles. "Reportedly" stealth does not mean there is such thing as stealth ICBMs. Sumeragi tried to claim the same thing with her super torpedoes, showing "evidence" of super fast torpedoes created by...wow...Russia and Iran...the two countries claiming stealth missiles. The missile might be "stealthy" but it doesn't mean it is invisible and untraceable. Large numbers of missiles are also trackable with ultra low frequency radar, they would appear as a flock of small birds or something (birds are stealthy due to their size) but with advanced computers it is possible to figure out what it is. As stated earlier, there is absolutely zero evidence anywhere of stealth from IR in the boost phase. These are rockets after all. Lastly, satellites use combinations of visual, IR and radar to track targets. Combine the three together and there is no way to hide hundreds of missiles. You can evade one, perhaps, maybe even two, but three? Not possible. OOC: First off, many of the missiles fired by Rebel Army passed over Dragonisia. How are you going to prove they aren't from Rebel Army? Second, where were your satelites transmitting their data when you were EMP'd? You couldn;t have seen it. Third, you wouldn't even have been looking in this direction, as an attack from them was unexpected. So lay off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 The Empire of the Netherlands fully backs our allies in Tahoe. Dragonisia would be wise to stop lying to the world and take responsibility for their actions. Our own satellites saw the missiles moving through space, and this was confirmed by other satellite systems. Based on infrared readings of space taken routinely, we based the trajectory somewhere in Dragonisia. We will not back down from our allies. OOC: What the hell is with everyone claiming their governments didn't sanction actions just so they won't get rolled? It's really boring. Grow a pair and say you shot someone, then run around like mad trying to kill more people. It's really not that hard. If the slander against Dragonisia is true, our own hands are tied by the mere fact that both parties are allies of ours. We will refrain from any action against either. The Former Dragonisian State of IndoChina is rather ashamed that we are related to a nation who refuses to accept blame for what obviously is their own actions. We condemn Dragonisia for this. Shame on you all for believing this ridiculous claim without evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 We note that the only thing we have said was "If" the claim was true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) Tahoe National Strategic Command The bunker deep in the Sierra Nevada mountains was still buzzing with activity. Instead of reacting to the massive nuclear missile strike on Tahoe, this time, the fight was being taken to the enemy. Nearly seven hundred missiles, varying from ultra long range cruise missiles to conventionally tipped ICBM's were armed and ready to fire from silos across Tahoe. Luckily, no military targets of value were hit in the strike, especially not Tahoe's missile deterrent. The Taoiseach was pacing in the back of the command center, discussing the war with many of Tahoe's best military minds. Since there was no way to fight a ground war at the moment, Tahoe would have to overwhelm Dragonisia with missile fire. Well, that could be arranged easily. Their lack of a missile defense system (against either cruise or intercontinental missiles) meant every missile would hit, baring mechanical failure, and the satellites would pick targets one by one. Infrared and radar would even detect underground targets, although most of those were easily visible thanks to the massive construction jobs being undertaken. On a signal from the Taoiseach, seven hundred missiles took off out of their silos. Five hundred in Tahoe, and two hundred based in Hawaii, which had been completely spared. Most rocketed into the atmosphere, although many soared above 100,000 feet and engaged their ramjets, speeding towards their target. The Dragonisians would get between 5 and 10 minutes alert. After all, they did not have satellites and radar does not have the range to see things halfway across the planet. Even after they did see the missiles coming, they wouldn't have enough time to react to make much of a difference. At the same time as Tahoe's missiles were launched, a message was sent to Tahoe's allies. "Begin Operation Meteor" It was the signal to begin their missile bombardments of Dragonisia. OOC: This should be fun. No satellites, no missile defense, no SDI and no allies with an SDI in the missiles path. Can you say, BOOM? Edited February 20, 2009 by Emperor Mudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) Tahoe National Strategic CommandThe bunker deep in the Sierra Nevada mountains was still buzzing with activity. Instead of reacting to the massive nuclear missile strike on Tahoe, this time, the fight was being taken to the enemy. Nearly seven hundred missiles, varying from ultra long range cruise missiles to conventionally tipped ICBM's were armed and ready to fire from silos across Tahoe. Luckily, no military targets of value were hit in the strike, especially not Tahoe's missile deterrent. The Taoiseach was pacing in the back of the command center, discussing the war with many of Tahoe's best military minds. Since there was no way to fight a ground war at the moment, Tahoe would have to overwhelm Dragonisia with missile fire. Well, that could be arranged easily. Their lack of a missile defense system (against either cruise or intercontinental missiles) meant every missile would hit, baring mechanical failure, and the satellites would pick targets one by one. Infrared and radar would even detect underground targets, although most of those were easily visible thanks to the massive construction jobs being undertaken. On a signal from the Taoiseach, seven hundred missiles took off out of their silos. Five hundred in Tahoe, and two hundred based in Hawaii, which had been completely spared. Most rocketed into the atmosphere, although many soared above 100,000 feet and engaged their ramjets, speeding towards their target. The Dragonisians would get between 5 and 10 minutes alert. After all, they did not have satellites and radar does not have the range to see things halfway across the planet. Even after they did see the missiles coming, they wouldn't have enough time to react to make much of a difference. At the same time as Tahoe's missiles were launched, a message was sent to Tahoe's allies. "Begin Operation Meteor" It was the signal to begin their missile bombardments of Dragonisia. OOC: This should be fun. No satellites, no missile defense, no SDI and no allies with an SDI in the missiles path. Can you say, BOOM? OOC: Can you say ineffective, as in...underground? He has ACTIVELY RP'd that his nation went underground like Uberstein. Besides, I'm not sure this is canon any more, since a Mod closed Lavo's thread, erasing the whole opportunity for him to attack you in the first place. Edited February 20, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: Maybe I just want to attack him He isn't totally underground yet, and most of his civilians wouldn't be. Hence the targeting of underground sites and their construction. It takes more than a few days to dig underground, you know, and he only started recently. Obviously his best bunkers won't get hit, but that isn't what I'm after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: Maybe I just want to attack him He isn't totally underground yet, and most of his civilians wouldn't be. Hence the targeting of underground sites and their construction. It takes more than a few days to dig underground, you know, and he only started recently. Obviously his best bunkers won't get hit, but that isn't what I'm after. OOC: Yes, they would. Her RP'd it all beginning while they were still PRomised Land's protectorate. You're not going to hit much of importance, or many people. Also, please read the edit about this possibly being non-canon now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: He started when Uberstein was still playing. His latest thread, IIRC, is just an expansion effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 We note that the only thing we have said was "If" the claim was true. We apologize. We sent out a reply to all three, not having time or inclination to compse a seperate message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: He started when Uberstein was still playing. His latest thread, IIRC, is just an expansion effort. OOC: correct. It's at least partly so he can house refugees from the nuclear fallout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: Which is why I use bunker busters missiles, as I stated. Good think I have more than 2000 tech than him (meaning there is almost nothing he can build that I can't attack except for his main government and command bunkers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 An acceptable apology. We wish nothing but the best between our two allies, would hate to see this escalate, but of course will not intrude upon their sovereign rights and intervene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: Which is why I use bunker busters missiles, as I stated. Good think I have more than 2000 tech than him (meaning there is almost nothing he can build that I can't attack except for his main government and command bunkers). OOC: Expect many of them to be shot down by either mine or Wanatet's SDI... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) Since this is the main thread, just to make it all clear. Neither Lavo's or Shan Revan's nuclear attack threads exist anymore, nor do any responses to them. They will each have to post new attacks to be re-rolled, if they so desire. OOC: The above is HK47's statement in the original war thread. Somehow I'm not surprised. Edited February 20, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC:...I don't see anything about bunker busters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC:...I don't see anything about bunker busters. OOC: Hmm..good point. Also, if this hadn't been scrapped, they would have plenty of warning. After noting your belligerence, OUR satelites would be monitering your areas, and would warn the dragonisians. They would have hours (or however long it takes such missiles to get that far) of warning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserMelech Mikhail Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: Maybe I just want to attack him He isn't totally underground yet, and most of his civilians wouldn't be. Hence the targeting of underground sites and their construction. It takes more than a few days to dig underground, you know, and he only started recently. Obviously his best bunkers won't get hit, but that isn't what I'm after. OOC: Are you seriously talking about targeting civilians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V The King Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: Are you seriously talking about targeting civilians? OOC: Uh, Mael deliberately targeted Tahoe's civilians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: Uh, Mael deliberately targeted Tahoe's civilians. OOC: Too bad it never happeneed, now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V The King Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 OOC: Too bad it never happeneed, now... OOC: I know that IC, there are doubts of the "claims" that the ICBM's came from Dragonesia, but I was responding OOC to Melech's OOC remark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Keshav IV Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 The Former Dragonisian State of IndoChina is rather ashamed that we are related to a nation who refuses to accept blame for what obviously is their own actions. We condemn Dragonisia for this. *Laughs* Here is someone who talks who provoked unneeded aggression against a rather peaceful state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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