schmutte693 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I cannot seem to find anything on this subject, so I poll the collective masses.... How much does a full compliment of 20 nukes affect a nation's environment score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 20 nukes has a 2 environment point penalty I believe, 0.1 per nuke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raskull Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Yep, exactly. Your environment is also hurt by one point for choosing the government position supporting nukes (of course, the power plants option carries this same penalty, so switching from power plants to nukes won't worsen your environment). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespassianus Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Aye, -2 (or correctly +2 envi) envi for 20 nukes and -2,5 for 25 nukes. -0,1 envi per nuke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebolt Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 With an environment enhancing Government and 2 Border Walls, my enviornment is the standard 1+GRL (Global Radiation Level). Can environment ever be better than 1+GRL ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaone Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 With an environment enhancing Government and 2 Border Walls, my enviornment is the standard 1+GRL (Global Radiation Level). Can environment ever be better than 1+GRL ? If you have radiation cleanup, GRL goes / 2 That's the lowest it can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Rupert Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Yep, exactly. Your environment is also hurt by one point for choosing the government position supporting nukes (of course, the power plants option carries this same penalty, so switching from power plants to nukes won't worsen your environment). I believe this is incorrect. There is no penalty for selecting option 2 or 3. The environmental damage is done by having a Uranium trade and/or the nukes themselves, not the government position itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirreille Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 There is a -1 happiness penalty for selecting either the nuclear power or nuclear weapon option in nation preferences though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Cao Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 (edited) 20 nukes has a 2 environment point penalty I believe, 0.1 per nuke. I used to think this, but then realised it was 0.05 per nuke while buying up nukes when my own calc was showing the wrong environment values, changing it to this corrected it. Edit: But I also recall ppl like Syzergy saying it was 0.1 so I wonder if perhaps the penalty per nuke is doubled when you have over 20 nukes? Just guessing, I'll test this with some other HNMS nations on IRC sometime... I believe this is incorrect. There is no penalty for selecting option 2 or 3. The environmental damage is done by having a Uranium trade and/or the nukes themselves, not the government position itself. The gov options 2 and 3 do give a penalty of 1 env point, anyone without nukes will be able to test this out for themselves and if you don't have nukes but have uranium it can be used it to gain a temporary population advantage when buying improvs. The uranium trade and nukes give penalties on top of this. Edited January 22, 2009 by Chairman Cao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebolt Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 By the time you have nukes (unless you have a Manhattan Project), hopefully you'll have enough Tech and Land to counteract the negative effects on environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmutte693 Posted January 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Thanks everyone, I knew that I had seen it, but could not remember where/what it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Badger Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 The gov options 2 and 3 do give a penalty of 1 env point, anyone without nukes will be able to test this out for themselves and if you don't have nukes but have uranium it can be used it to gain a temporary population advantage when buying improvs. The uranium trade and nukes give penalties on top of this. This is correct, there is a penalty of 1 point if your government position for nukes is set to 2 or 3. There is also a penalty of 1 point if you import Uranium. Every nuke inflicts a penalty of .1 point so 20 nukes means a penalty of 2. This means that a nation with 20 nukes and importing Uranium will suffer a penalty of 4 environment points compared to another resource (except Coal / Oil). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 (edited) This is correct, there is a penalty of 1 point if your government position for nukes is set to 2 or 3. There is also a penalty of 1 point if you import Uranium. Every nuke inflicts a penalty of .1 point so 20 nukes means a penalty of 2. This means that a nation with 20 nukes and importing Uranium will suffer a penalty of 4 environment points compared to another resource (except Coal / Oil). Unless the nation has uranium as a native, in which case it is not penalized. edit: I see you said "importing" Edited January 23, 2009 by alden peterson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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