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I know I said I don't really care about this and that still kind of holds but I do I feel that preplanning can be helpful if it is fixed to prevent abuse. If these issues are worked out I can support this. However, If no meaningful reform has happened by the time the next poll comes around I will probably vote against this rule.

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Not voting since no nation, but I feel as though Lynneth's proposal is best. Pre-planning in and of itself is not a bad idea. However, there are ways to abuse the system that make trying to plan anything out with certain people too much of a burden to bother with. They can drag out the process under the guise of 'helping' their invader for so long that the whole thing dies an undignified, diarrhea crusted death. The classy thing to do is take it on a case by case basis and, if abuses are determined, either grant auto-advances and request further action and/or wave the pre-planned as stated by Lynneth.

But you know, that's my opinion.

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Effectively:
[b]Do not[/b] condemn the entire system for the [u]faults of the few[/u]. That's like wanting to abandon democracy in the US because of Bush or Romney.
No, [i]address[/i] the [i]inconsistencies[/i] instead and try to fix the system. Make it work better. [i]change[/i] the [b]circumstances[/b] so the bad cannot happen anymore, or as often.

Don't just get rid entirely. That's knee-jerk. Knee-jerking's never helped.
Think about it.

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[quote name='Lynneth' timestamp='1347940494' post='3031341']
Effectively:
[b]Do not[/b] condemn the entire system for the [u]faults of the few[/u]. That's like wanting to abandon democracy in the US because of Bush or Romney.
No, [i]address[/i] the [i]inconsistencies[/i] instead and try to fix the system. Make it work better. [i]change[/i] the [b]circumstances[/b] so the bad cannot happen anymore, or as often.

Don't just get rid entirely. That's knee-jerk. Knee-jerking's never helped.
Think about it.
[/quote]

I agree with this man. He speaks the truth.

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20 - 20 tie.


Abolish: jeff744 , Kevin Kingswell , supercheese , Tanis777 , Yawoo , Markus Wilding , Triyun , TheShammySocialist , Imperator Azenquor , Malatose , Zoot Zoot , Chancellor Patrick , Tidy Bowl Man , Owned-You , Centurius , Voodoo Nova , Curristan , Domingo the Honored , Sarah Tintagyl , Westaxe ,

Keep: Evangeline Anovilis , Mara Lithaen , Lynneth , Gloval , dotCom , Kankou , Californian , Isaac MatthewII , PresidentDavid , Subtleknifewielder , Zarfef , Axolotlia , Shadow hawk , Vedran , Lord Zephyr , Adolf Kral , J Andres , MostGloriousLeader , iKrolm , JEDCJT

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[quote name='Triyun' timestamp='1348025701' post='3031686']
I do hope you're aware there is no officially decided upon outcome for a tie. I would suggest that we open the voting for another two days to see if we can get a decisive result.
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According to previous decisions, a tie automatically means the upholding of the status quo, and no extension of the voting is done AFTER the voting time is over (extension is possible before the deadline). I wonder how you came to the conclusion that there is no officially outcome.

Regardless of the technicalities (such as Patrick not having a nation, since previously a person trying to get a nation didn't count as having a nation with Subtleknifewielder being the example), I believe we should try to reform the system instead of illogically and emotionally just screaming for abolishment. If reform fails then we can try euthanization.

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[quote name='Triyun' timestamp='1348025701' post='3031686']
I do hope you're aware there is no officially decided upon outcome for a tie. I would suggest that we open the voting for another two days to see if we can get a decisive result.
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[quote name='Isaac MatthewII' timestamp='1348029234' post='3031700']
[b]I am pretty sure that when something is already in existence and a tie is reached the status quo stays.[/b] I would however propose a vote on Lynneths proposal.
[/quote]This is correct.


I also agree there should be a vote on Lyn's proposal

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I am pretty sure there is no consensus on that nor was there a vote about that ever. I would also point out that most people do not follow your logic Kankou. That does not make them irrational which is what you're basically implying when you say their reactions are illogical and based on emotion. I think you need to watch what you say in these threads and should apologize to half the CN RP community for your insistence on escalating to personal attacks and assumptions about their thinking and motives. You need to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable.

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If what I say are personal attacks, then I'm pretty sure I can sue for libel with what others say about me without restraint, especially on these forums. I stick to my guns, and just as that has resulted in change in the GM system, so shall I stick to my beliefs based on not sophism but on solid principles.

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[quote name='Triyun' timestamp='1348036776' post='3031727']
[b]I am pretty sure there is no consensus on that nor was there a vote about that ever.[/b]
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Does there really need to be a vote on something that is a standard practice in any democratic process requiring a simple majority?

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Apparently so when the result is not to one's liking /sarcasm. I don't recall that many people complaining about how a tie in the poll concerning SDIs for expeditionary force meant keeping the status quo, nor a movement for having a poll on how to deal with ties. Why Triyun is complaining about that now and not back then baffles me.

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[quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1348037290' post='3031729']
If what I say are personal attacks, then I'm pretty sure I can sue for libel with what others say about me without restraint, especially on these forums. I stick to my guns, and just as that has resulted in change in the GM system, so shall I stick to my beliefs based on not sophism but on solid principles.
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You spend about half your time being exceptionally arrogant and libelous, so have fun trying to sue the others on the backlash for it.

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