Sarah Tintagyl Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 [img]http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/9/5/f843c1bc-7050-42dc-bb6e-7a1b44a60c0c.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Andres Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 I feel that a new solution to the problem should be created. I like Lynneth's counterproposal but I also think a full discussion about different alternative solutions is warranted. In the meantime, I am voting to keep preplanning, but I am very open to new ideas in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MostGloriousLeader Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 (edited) I know I said I don't really care about this and that still kind of holds but I do I feel that preplanning can be helpful if it is fixed to prevent abuse. If these issues are worked out I can support this. However, If no meaningful reform has happened by the time the next poll comes around I will probably vote against this rule. Edited September 18, 2012 by MostGloriousLeader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowsage Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Not voting since no nation, but I feel as though Lynneth's proposal is best. Pre-planning in and of itself is not a bad idea. However, there are ways to abuse the system that make trying to plan anything out with certain people too much of a burden to bother with. They can drag out the process under the guise of 'helping' their invader for so long that the whole thing dies an undignified, diarrhea crusted death. The classy thing to do is take it on a case by case basis and, if abuses are determined, either grant auto-advances and request further action and/or wave the pre-planned as stated by Lynneth. But you know, that's my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Effectively: [b]Do not[/b] condemn the entire system for the [u]faults of the few[/u]. That's like wanting to abandon democracy in the US because of Bush or Romney. No, [i]address[/i] the [i]inconsistencies[/i] instead and try to fix the system. Make it work better. [i]change[/i] the [b]circumstances[/b] so the bad cannot happen anymore, or as often. Don't just get rid entirely. That's knee-jerk. Knee-jerking's never helped. Think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 [quote name='Sarah Tintagyl' timestamp='1347928903' post='3031279'] [img]http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/9/5/f843c1bc-7050-42dc-bb6e-7a1b44a60c0c.jpg[/img] [/quote] I hear preplanning would be doing better if it was hispanic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Enema Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 I'm for role play being done by the consent of both parties. However, as this preplanning does nothing for that lofty goal, I say kill it with fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 [quote name='Lynneth' timestamp='1347940494' post='3031341'] Effectively: [b]Do not[/b] condemn the entire system for the [u]faults of the few[/u]. That's like wanting to abandon democracy in the US because of Bush or Romney. No, [i]address[/i] the [i]inconsistencies[/i] instead and try to fix the system. Make it work better. [i]change[/i] the [b]circumstances[/b] so the bad cannot happen anymore, or as often. Don't just get rid entirely. That's knee-jerk. Knee-jerking's never helped. Think about it. [/quote] I agree with this man. He speaks the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 20 - 20 tie. Abolish: jeff744 , Kevin Kingswell , supercheese , Tanis777 , Yawoo , Markus Wilding , Triyun , TheShammySocialist , Imperator Azenquor , Malatose , Zoot Zoot , Chancellor Patrick , Tidy Bowl Man , Owned-You , Centurius , Voodoo Nova , Curristan , Domingo the Honored , Sarah Tintagyl , Westaxe , Keep: Evangeline Anovilis , Mara Lithaen , Lynneth , Gloval , dotCom , Kankou , Californian , Isaac MatthewII , PresidentDavid , Subtleknifewielder , Zarfef , Axolotlia , Shadow hawk , Vedran , Lord Zephyr , Adolf Kral , J Andres , MostGloriousLeader , iKrolm , JEDCJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac MatthewII Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Patrick doesn't have a nation so its 19-20...unless he made another I didn't see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=113159 Also, I don't believe in using that trifle a technicality to void a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I propose we settle this with a World War! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 [quote name='Triyun' timestamp='1348015768' post='3031618'] I propose we settle this with a World War! [/quote] I agree. Everyone for preplanning vs everyone against preplanning. gogogogogo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac MatthewII Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 So when do we start the pre-planning for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I do hope you're aware there is no officially decided upon outcome for a tie. I would suggest that we open the voting for another two days to see if we can get a decisive result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac MatthewII Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I am pretty sure that when something is already in existence and a tie is reached the status quo stays. I would however propose a vote on Lynneths proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 [quote name='Triyun' timestamp='1348025701' post='3031686'] I do hope you're aware there is no officially decided upon outcome for a tie. I would suggest that we open the voting for another two days to see if we can get a decisive result. [/quote] According to previous decisions, a tie automatically means the upholding of the status quo, and no extension of the voting is done AFTER the voting time is over (extension is possible before the deadline). I wonder how you came to the conclusion that there is no officially outcome. Regardless of the technicalities (such as Patrick not having a nation, since previously a person trying to get a nation didn't count as having a nation with Subtleknifewielder being the example), I believe we should try to reform the system instead of illogically and emotionally just screaming for abolishment. If reform fails then we can try euthanization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 [quote name='Triyun' timestamp='1348025701' post='3031686'] I do hope you're aware there is no officially decided upon outcome for a tie. I would suggest that we open the voting for another two days to see if we can get a decisive result. [/quote] [quote name='Isaac MatthewII' timestamp='1348029234' post='3031700'] [b]I am pretty sure that when something is already in existence and a tie is reached the status quo stays.[/b] I would however propose a vote on Lynneths proposal. [/quote]This is correct. I also agree there should be a vote on Lyn's proposal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 I am pretty sure there is no consensus on that nor was there a vote about that ever. I would also point out that most people do not follow your logic Kankou. That does not make them irrational which is what you're basically implying when you say their reactions are illogical and based on emotion. I think you need to watch what you say in these threads and should apologize to half the CN RP community for your insistence on escalating to personal attacks and assumptions about their thinking and motives. You need to learn how to disagree without being disagreeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 If what I say are personal attacks, then I'm pretty sure I can sue for libel with what others say about me without restraint, especially on these forums. I stick to my guns, and just as that has resulted in change in the GM system, so shall I stick to my beliefs based on not sophism but on solid principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 K Willard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 Cassandra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 [quote name='Triyun' timestamp='1348036776' post='3031727'] [b]I am pretty sure there is no consensus on that nor was there a vote about that ever.[/b] [/quote] Does there really need to be a vote on something that is a standard practice in any democratic process requiring a simple majority? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) Apparently so when the result is not to one's liking /sarcasm. I don't recall that many people complaining about how a tie in the poll concerning SDIs for expeditionary force meant keeping the status quo, nor a movement for having a poll on how to deal with ties. Why Triyun is complaining about that now and not back then baffles me. Edited September 19, 2012 by Kankou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domingo the Honored Posted September 19, 2012 Report Share Posted September 19, 2012 [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1348037290' post='3031729'] If what I say are personal attacks, then I'm pretty sure I can sue for libel with what others say about me without restraint, especially on these forums. I stick to my guns, and just as that has resulted in change in the GM system, so shall I stick to my beliefs based on not sophism but on solid principles. [/quote] You spend about half your time being exceptionally arrogant and libelous, so have fun trying to sue the others on the backlash for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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