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He's not exactly blameless either. But you were the head of our FA so it was your job to seek out allies. Didn't we already talk about this on IRC?
There were other treaties that I didn't want that went through anyways and treaties I wanted that we didn't sign. So I am unsure of what your point actually is? Yes we did talk about it on IRC but that would leave people here in the dark.
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The Echelon treaty you wanted.
That Archon also wanted?
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What exactly have we done since you left that you've agreed with? We've been successful enough that I can plainly say that if you disagree with it, it's the right thing to do.
If you had your way we'd have been rolled in Karma defending Echelon. No thanks.
Eh wut? Defending Echelon? Come again?
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So you are deluded, nice, but what will you do about it? Just sit and talk about your delusion?
I definitely won't rush to support an alliance that has plunged it's knife into others backs and has consistently, for the last couple of years, placed it's allies in compromising positions.
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What makes you think I haven't?
If you have, I clearly have a different opinion than you.
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The fact you can't "justify" our attack in the current "political climate" is the entire point it. I don't know how this happened, but TOP was actually PROGRESSIVE and ahead of it's time with their pre-empt of us. This games is choked with the guise that a war can only be started in a certain manner, that a war must unfold in a certain manner, etc. Over the years here, the more defensive you are the more ~HoNoRaBle~ you supposedly are. This has been taken to such extremes that there is a massive effort to mediate conflicts to put them out, or at least keep them from expanding. This goes hand-in-hand with the fact that, because of the narrowness of the game itself, every cb (because there are relatively few that can be generated) already has a page in the playbook. From their, it's a battle to be more defensive, and each time you have to feign a more defensive nature than the last. This is has gotten ridiculous. The game is narrow enough already, we need to break down the player imposed boundaries to open game-play back up.
If you want to consider us the bad guy for being aggressive and spicing things up, then do so, we have no qualms.
Ultimately, this war, singularly, won't make CN interesting again, because it's not about one war, or one period of peace. However, I do hope this war is at least the start of us attempting to reign in the expanding cycle between wars that we have seen grow from a few months, to 6 months, to where we are now where we might have one war a year. In my mind, about once every 6 months was the best balance was the best cycle for the game.
I fear that we are headed to wars declared over cookies. And that is what has set this place apart from others. At the same time, I hear your point. The treaty web is insane and it is the one thing we all have 100% control over. People need to work at tearing that apart so there can be movement for drama here.
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There are dozens of posts including ones from SF, C&G & DH all talking about perpetual war, disbanding them and the rest even people like stumpy have been in on the threats. As for the past, having to dig up the worst abuses of NPOs reign to try and prove this isnt the worst thing ever done should tell you what you are defending and how much MK have changed since you left. Id put money on you cheering me out the door if they came for me.
I can't say I have ever cheered anyone out the door. I don't think I would even cheer Bilrow. Every person brings something to this game whether I like that or not.
You realize I stood up and helped defend the former members of GGA when they disbanded even though 3/4ths of the world was chomping at the bit to raid them. AND I DESPISED THE GGA. If you really think I would cheer you out the door you don't pay attention.
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Less deluded but still deluded.
See I take the time to talk to people when forming my judgments. Talk to a few of them.
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MK has members saying it, but as you said, what MK members said is more resembling MK policy everyday. That said, I had a nice chat with Archon the other day. I still doubt he's willing to go as far as many of his members would like him to, but that said, how much longer do you think Archon will continue to be active?
Archon's activity comes and goes in waves. So it will come and go. I have not talked to him recently but I do not believe he intends on quitting.
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And just as an aside.. what if they are trying to run the orders from the game?
I don't have an answer for you. I will cross that bridge if it comes.
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"For those claiming MK has turned into an entity as bad as the NPO was, let me say this. YOU ARE FOOLS. You do not remember the lengths they would go through to roll an alliance or keep an alliance down. GPA, GATO, Legion, FAN...etc....."
This is E X A C T L Y what is happening now. They have said they will roll NPO eternally to make sure they never hold a position of powen on bob
Can you point me to where it says they will be EZI'd? Or that their alliance will be disbanded? Or that players will be run out of the game on a regular basis? NO YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE NOT HAPPENED.
Back in my day, we wouldn't be able to go around talking like you do. We were placed on a list and run out of the game if we spoke up like you speak up now. And you know what? I may not agree with most of the things you say Alterego, but if anyone tries to run you out of the game for it I will speak up against it.
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I do remember the lengths that they would go to to keep an alliance down actually, and I know of what Doomhouse has already said they'd do to the alliances they swore to never become. You're looking at everything through a very narrow window, seeing only what you want to see.
If you honestly believed that Pacifica and the Hegemony was wrong and that Cybernations shouldn't be run like that, then you shouldn't hold any respect to Doomhouse.
Who said anything about Doomhouse? I realize that alliances exist outside of the blocs they occupy. Those are the entities I respect.
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Poor Airme refusing to see the truth blinded by MK loyalty. Hypocrite Your angel is an centerfold.
Wut? You missed the part where I said I can't justify this and I think its wrong?
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I to am saddened by the recent course the Mushroom Kingdom and friends have taken.
I do hope when they have had their fun that NPO is let off with white peace and nothing worse.
I would hope so too. Even though I do bring up NPO's past a lot....I do think they have paid for their "sins."
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You should really reread your post before lecturing me about the right to an opinion, airme.
All I said was I found it offensive. I never said OMG PEOPLE ARE EVIL FOR DOING THIS.
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I agree, an IC DoW from an IC terrorist faction is incredibly offensive to an IC themed alliance. I also find the fact that STA, a white alliance, chose to hit PC, a black alliance, equally offensive.
I am sorry Tamerlane, I was unaware that you became the thought police and that I was not allowed to have an opinion on something that didn't align with your own. I didn't call you offensive, I called the them offensive. Much like some people find your Mushreich theme offensive as well.
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Their DoW on CCC was disrespectful to armed forces of the CN community and all countries involved with Muslim Extremists around the world.
I will agree with this. I did find that DoW offensive.
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We will be recording a podcast tonight. Even if I have to do it solo.
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I love the discussion and debate that this episode has caused.
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Btw, transcribing an interview (if done diligently and accounting for slang/dialect) takes about 6-8 hours transcribing per half hour of talk. In German anyway, might be slightly less in English and again less if experienced. This last podcast is 1.5h long. Assuming English reduces it to 4-6h/0.5h, We'd still be at 12-18 hours of transcribing. To do something like that (which is really boring btw) really would warrant getting payed for.
And not all of it would be worthy of transcribing given how we can go off on tangents as we do.
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Slow down man.
I know I was wrong, I was giving an accurate representation of my MISCONCEPTIONS about then - ie, explaining why stuff between us got bad. But how the RIA incident was treated was exactly what I meant by 'stopped treating us like brothers' - the whole approach to that situation was not how you'd approach a situation involving a friend, so I don't know how else we were meant to feel.Again, I do know this. Really. I was just explaining my point of view at that time.
Ok. Apology accepted.
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[23:26] <Xiphosis[GOD]> At the time MK and RoK/MA were falling out I was very disillusioned with their government. It felt to me at the time that Trace and AirMe had all but hijacked the alliance for their own goals and dragged MK away from it's roots more towards their friends - Polaris, etc.
[23:26] <Xiphosis[GOD]> To MK's detriment [NoCB].
[23:26] <Xiphosis[GOD]> I was very, very vocal bashing those two individually for that.
[23:27] <Xiphosis[GOD]> On top of that, there was an incident between RIA and MK a few months prior to that which I felt wouldn't have been handled by MK the way they handled it
[23:27] <Xiphosis[GOD]> Had the generation of government that was there when MK-GOD were MADP'd still been in power
[23:27] <Xiphosis[GOD]> Tolk, Archon, etc.
[23:27] <Xiphosis[GOD]> Archon was around, but he had stepped back.
[23:27] <Xiphosis[GOD]> When it came down to it, MK had stopped treating us like friends or brothers.
[23:28] <Xiphosis[GOD]> And I felt zero obligation to be quiet about how I felt about the change - I'd just gone through an absolute !@#$storm on behalf of my tie to them, and it made me fairly raw about the change.
[23:29] <Xiphosis[GOD]> AirMe/Trace leaving in the year or so after the war and Archon becoming more active again changed it, as well as a lot more interaction between myself and MK's membership.
[23:29] <Xiphosis[GOD]> ..along with a hell of a lot of conversation about that RIA incident.
Even after all the conversation we have had in the last 2 years, it pains me to see you still have a very unrealistic view of how that all went down.
Except for the RIA incident...that could have been handled totally differently and to this day I do not know why that happened the way it did.
We stopped treating you guys like friends? Your allies were the ones running out and signing treaties with GGA and Valhalla who were always actively looking to get us rolled and WE were the ones dropped for signing a treaty with STA. You seem to forget everything we did back could have gotten us rolled while you were cozy'd up to Q.
Damn it now I am all fired up again. It should also be noted that nothing happened in MK back then without Archon's stamp of approval so the line of thinking that Trace and I hijacked things is laughable at best. Our main goal back then was to avoid a situation in where we would get rolled by someone who wouldn't give us peace. Only vigilant work by all members of government back then accomplished that mission.
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Do you have a scottish accent Vlad? Because we might need to have you on as a guest host.
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Compare the current power structure to WUT.
No.
I know I was wrong, I was giving an accurate representation of my MISCONCEPTIONS about then - ie, explaining why stuff between us got bad. But how the RIA incident was treated was exactly what I meant by 'stopped treating us like brothers' - the whole approach to that situation was not how you'd approach a situation involving a friend, so I don't know how else we were meant to feel.
I give up
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I am under the impression that FOK asked them for help with CCC.