WorldConqueror

Am I asking for sympathy? I'm stating fact, in response to someone trying to paint us as cowards. But I wouldn't mind a bit of serenading while I eat. Cheers Doitz.

So being on any colour besides green is not playing the game as normal? Damn, all this time I've been playing abnormally...

No, but you did say: Any spark could have send us nuke blazing onto WUT alliances. Funny how we survived them all. Which doesn't sound like you hold them in any high regard or would ally with them. Yes, and its pretty clear you don't like NPO. Funny how I never saw any of that until the leadup to the Karma war. They were still the same alliances, who operated and thought the same way. Yes but you said that VE didnt want the help once they had decided to disband. I assumed the war went on for at least a few days, and so I wondered what Gremlins were doing between the DoW and VE saying they didn't want help. But since VE got attacked and disbanded the same day, it now makes sense why you didn't join.

But Green Solidarity was a defence pact, it shouldn't have matter that you weren't attacked. Did VE disband the day they got attacked? I honestly can't remember. If they did, then that makes sense. But if they didn't, then surely Gremlins should have reacted, with your guys activity levels. When you were in the Continuum, you were allied with NPO, TPF, MCXA and TOP who are all ex-WUT. If you are trying to argue that WUT was a group of evil *$$^&*#@ who you hated, then joining the Continuum really doesn't support that. EDIT: Ah ok, I thought the war lasted longer than that.

I really can't remember the timeline, but VE, NTO and CIS fought. Gremlins didn't. Why weren't you there at the start? And to go along with the point above, if any spark could have sent you into WUT, well GGA and GOONS provided you a bushfire in the GCW. Survived them all? Some of them maybe, the rest of us are still here. And you allied with most of the ex-WUT still standing, so what are you trying to say?

then why do you think they aren't sincere?

Tell that to the members of any disbanded alliance. And thats because some of those condolences are coming from Pacificans, right?

Awww yeah [/barry White voice]. You know it was all a cover for your burning, undying love for big red, Stumpy. If I hadn't changed my sig I could prove it.

They have had a lot longer to pay them too, so I don't see the point you are trying to make.

What can I say, I like it. Trashcat gives good abuse.

RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGE. Nah, I'm just having fun prodding people in this brave new post-Karma world. EDIT: Also, get on IRC more, I've only got Rey to pick on most days

No, no they weren't. All they had to do was leave green. They chose to disband. If VE disbanding was tragic, so is CG.

Like VE you mean? A lot of people were pissed off about that, myself included. I regretted our part in it. Not any more.

Many others have thought the same as you. It is one thing to know how to run your nation, it is quite another to run an alliance successfully.

Ok, I'll give you TPF, but since when does 1=many? Is that the post-Karma fuzzy maths coming through again? IRON had more members in the top 5% to be knocked out of it. If you're going to demonise us because we had banks in peace mode, so be it.

Fought less hard? We were in a nuclear war for 3 months. We lost more NS than anyone. I fail to see how we fought less hard than anyone.

There's a big difference between wanting to kill you off, and wanting to go to war. I'm not saying that there was no animosity between NPO and MK, obviously there was, a lot of it, but I think you've been caught up in the propaganda that "Pacifica kills alliances". Well, if stupid people didn't keep repeating lies, we wouldn't have to talk about it anymore. You can say our entire top rank went into PM. I can say that Chinese donkeys invaded the moon on saturday. Unsubstantiated bull#$%& is fun. But do you really think that our top ranks were approximately 1 100K NS nation and the rest around 50K? At the start of the war, I was in the top 5% of nations, and about #90 in the NPO. I had about 65K NS. At the end of the war I had 8K NS. My squad of 10 members, most of whom were bigger than me, all ended up around 8-10K NS. Maybe our banks were our top rank by the end of the war, because they were in PM and didn't get beaten down. But before the war, they weren't. I'm sure if you go have a look at some of the stats threads, they will tell you the same thing.

All that banking is screwing with your mind, Letum

What does how long it lasted or how many people you fought have anything to do with our alleged intent to kill MK off? And you don't use banks. So what? We do.

If what you are saying is true, and I doubt it is, since I really don't think we were out to kill MK, then why would this time round have been any different? If our allies made us change our minds and give you terms the first time, why would we assume they would do any different the second time?

The feeling is mutual, Ivan. There is still a great deal of respect for you within Pacifica. Also, I personally (and I'm sure I'm not alone) would like to see a close relationship between NPO and the Frostbite alliances. However, realistically it seems very unlikely. EDIT: Spelling

If Chill was always going to bring Gremlins in on Karma's side, why did you and other high ranking Gremlins have to convince him it was a good idea? You say you came in to stop FARK and MK being killed. Are you serious? You think after the FARKlands war that anyone would really try to kill FARK? They are the cockroaches on CN, you can't kill them. As for MK, remember WotC? If they were going to be killed, they would have been then. Funny you mention the Green Civil War. Hilarious even. Since if you look at the history, there were 4 signatories of the Green Solidarity Pact. 3 of those fought. Who didn't? That's right, Gremlins. Fight and die? You weren't even prepared to fight, let alone die.

For some reason, although I had far more fun in GWIII, and GWIII cemented Pacifica's dominant position in CN, my fondest memories are of the ONOS war. Good times.

No, it takes 1K infra to buy nukes. If you have nukes, you can use them even if you have no infra. Also, you are an idiot.

So you pushed Chill into a decision that resulted in him failing in his duty as Praetor. A decision that resulted in you going to war against an alliance you held a treaty with until shortly before. A decision that made you violate the treaty that forms Citadel. :golfclap: And here I thought Gremlins were all about morality and doing the right thing. Oh look, I know you Gremlins like to brag about your stats, but that wasn't what I was saying. The biggest nation in CN could create a one man alliance and it would have the highest average NS in the game. Doesn't mean that alliance is a powerhouse, or is going to have any influence whatsoever. Nowhere was TOP's total NS or number of nations mentioned. Yes, if you have a lot of high NS nations your alliance is going to fare better in war. My post that this quote is responding to had nothing to do with that.