raasaa

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1298312078' post='2640766'] He was our 2nd in command at the time and decided to fight alongside his allies in NEW. [/quote] thats even worse.....being the 2nd in command, he orders the alliance to stand down but he runs over to fight for NEW :S

[quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1298312041' post='2640764'] Most don't accumulate land when facing 15k tech powered nukes and 6 opponents, but the great and mighty zoomzoomzoom finds ways. Land is the end all be all and I [b]will[/b] collect it all. Just need to get that big orange pig out of the way first... [/quote] Your missing the point, i am NOT arguing whether what you did was/is right or wrong....nor am i bothered about your desire to accumulate land. just pointing out to stewie that the way he is presenting it is absurd Edit : typo

this is not good.....not good at all....i see very dark things in the future for GLOF

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1298310201' post='2640740'] When NEW was attacked ZOOMZOOMZOOM (the guy who has more land than the entire of ROK put together) left Poison Clan. He fought FOR NEW, he lost land, infra and tech in that conflict, then came back to PC to help defend us against ROK. That man has Honor That man is who this thread is about. [/quote] Are you being sarcastic ?? If not, your statement dont make sense :S You are portraying him as a war monger who goes against his gov's decision just for the sake of fighting and accumulating land through wars :S

[quote name='HeRo1' timestamp='1298104394' post='2638259'] Whats funny about this is even GOD's allies complained about GOD during the Karma war. Saying they did noting but care about their own alliance and throw their allies to the dogs to protect themselves. [/quote] I am not a big fan of GOD...but even i dont believe that :S. GOD throwing their allies to the dogs is absurd on so many levels

[quote name='Tromp' timestamp='1297884557' post='2635821'] The one thing I'm saying is that if there was a white peace offer for TIO and LoSS at that point in time, it was a stupid decision to voluntarily join in this war. That's about the extent to which I believe DT can be 'blamed' here. And if they joined without communicating with LoSS, then what does this say about them being 'allies' here? Isn't it logical for allies to talk to each other and jointly decide on which path to take? Well alright, but that means no reps, which was what people hinted at. [/quote] Someone from LoSS just cleared that up....stating LoSS had no idea TIO was getting peace within a week. If they had known, they would not have asked DT to help them with Legacy.

[quote name='sammykhalifa' timestamp='1297881870' post='2635784'] Perhaps, but it seems pretty clear that peace would not be far off. From a LoSS perspective, at least to an outsider, expanding and complicating the war by calling in an ally (if that's what happened) seems to not be in their best interest. [/quote] So, based on what you just said.....why is DT being punished for something LoSS did/didnt do ???

[quote name='Muddog' timestamp='1297874737' post='2635718'] After reading enough to feel that I understand the current situation, here are my two cents on the issue. DT was being opportunistic when deciding to attack Legacy, for better or worse that was a strategic move. DT did use an optional defense clause to enter into the conflict, for better or worse that is kind of the point of the treaty, they have the option (and to be honest ODP's shouldn't be looked at so negatively, if more alliances signed these than MDP's we would not see so many people ignoring obligations to allies). CSN is being completely unreasonable, alright I'll give you that Legacy is a protectorate of theirs, and I'll give you that they want to defend their protectorates interest, however if the tech was destine for Legacy this would be a completely different issue, the fact as I understand it is, CSN wants 40K tech for themselves. CSN doesn't really have any basis for imposing reps other than simply because they want to, which is their right. This issue boils down to a battle of wills, DT's against CSN's. Its just to bad that DT's allies not involved in this conflict are not willing to defend DT. [/quote] I think you need to read even more of this thread before posting your comments. DT being opportunistic [quote name='Tromp' timestamp='1297876725' post='2635748'] To be honest I think it was LoSS who were being unreasonable at first, but it seems DT will be held accountable for choosing to go along with it. [/quote] [quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1297881212' post='2635776'] That's the great part about a request, you can turn it down if its a bad idea. [/quote] I dont see how it a bad idea unless DT was fully informed of the LoSS-TIO situation and the impending peace talks/offer. However you spin it, laying any blame on DT for assisting allies is stupid.

[quote name='Antoine Roquentin' timestamp='1297853085' post='2635533'] Considering the alliance in question here(dark templar)and another alliance you have as an ally have declared without treaties or supported doing so in the past, this doesn't hold water. Funny thing is, the issue comes full circle as Sparta only declared without treaties because Legacy refused to oA to help their ally wF because they were afraid of being countered fundamentally, and then they got countered by an NV ally anyway. Isn't that great? I thought it was funny, but I think it's in Dark Templar's interests not to overreach here and go with their original counteroffer instead of taking it off the table. I think overreaching in these cases will lead to the other side putting its back up. It didn't really make sense for DT to declare in support of LoSS this late in the war, however. [/quote] The crux of the matter, whether or not it makes sense for DT to declare this late, is that LoSS requested help, which is why DT entered. DT did not enter cos they had an issue against Legacy or CSN. Pinning DT down with exorbitant reps does not justify anything nor does it make any sense.

[quote name='NoFish' timestamp='1297812617' post='2634813'] Their choice in targets probably had more to do with picking someone they thought would be an easy mark so they could score a quick week or two of warfare to put in just enough effort that their own side wouldn't brand them cowards and then go back to hoarding dongs and tech. It reminds me a lot of when NpO declared on GOD in Bi-Polar, really, only CSN was smart enough not to let them just walk off like we did. [/quote] [quote name='NoFish' timestamp='1297817745' post='2634928'] At the risk of sounding like a stupid person to a poster whom I very much respect, I do, in fact, believe it. Comparing the NS and wonder spreads of DT to Legacy and CSN there is no strategic point in having them deployed there. Either A) They were hoping for a milk run or B) The military planners on your side are so woefully incompetent they decided to waste a top-heavy alliance against a mid-heavy alliance who would have a mid-heavy support alliance, the both of whom are engaged against a bottom-heavy alliance. Admittedly, now that I think about it, I had heard a few other things to make the latter sound more reasonable. If you'd care to provide proof that your coalition's milcom really is that incompetent I'd be more than willing to revise my opinion. [/quote] you make a pretty decent conspiracy theorist o/ Regarding milcom incompetency.....your side is far worse. At least we stick to treaties and dont go around doing random declarations. [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=97636"]Sparta hitting NV[/url] over what treaty.....?? [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=97761"]Darkfall declared on NV[/url] in DEFENSE of Sparta, citing what treaty....?? And you are getting bent out of shape with your conspiracies stating that DT came in cos they saw a soft target and decided to use it to their advantage.

[quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1297655533' post='2632162'] Come on, you know better, raasaa. CSN isn't here to 'kill' anyone. [/quote] I will believe that when they offer peace/surrender terms to DT without asking for exorbitant reps.

After all this bravado and talk of killing DT, i am sure that CSN will go whine to their allies. How soon before we see some fresh alliance declaring war on Dark Templar ??? [quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1297648132' post='2631817'] And just an FYI about our membership: They support everything Liz said to you in those talks. Anything that was leaked was a select few posts. Trust me, a lot of this crap you do on the OWF and peace talks is quickly changing anyone's mind. [/quote] I pity CSN if your membership supports extortion. Even if i were to assume 40k tech is reasonable reps, the time frame given for payment and the other condition regarding which nations have to pay is highly unreasonable. [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1297648303' post='2631829'] Knowing Xiph, I'm not surprised at all by the terms. As [b]a low rent Electron Sponge[/b], he's gotten by with this act for far too long. [/quote] rofl, that should be sigged.....low rent ES [quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1297648604' post='2631846'] I think you missed the point where DT lost, Winning covers a multitude of sins. You come in on an option and win and your golden, you come in on an optional and lose as the winners are going to ask "Why did you come in and shoot at us when you didn't have to?". And follow it up with "[b]this war is not an excuse for you to get free beats on us, here's your bill[/b]" [/quote] I will be sure to remember that.....for next time [quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1297648788' post='2631857'] We don't care about the tech. The membership, nor the government. But your stunt of "well we removed the counter-offer" is a naked way of covering for reneging on what would have brought you immediate peace, and you only did it for publicity reasons. And for that, your alliance will continue to burn. We've got time. [/quote] Actually, DT has more time than you do, considering the amount of damage CSN is taking.... [quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1297652866' post='2632064'] I want it to be very clear to everyone who has any doubts... and I mean to EVERYONE who has any doubts, that Athens SUPPORTS our allies in CSN in their pursuit to find a peace that is acceptable to them, no matter the terms or issues that may arise. We have had frank discussions with them, they know our stance. The world must also know, however, that CSN's interests are our interests by mutual bond, but in the end, we have CSN's back. Anyone who is sufficently enraged by the CSN-DT situation, is free to test this commitment at their own leisure. [/quote] You are just tempting people to attack CSN now /facepalm Edit : grammar

damn good show guys, keep it coming. I am hoping you can get Tyga in there sometime soon

Honrable move mates....sorry we put you in a difficult position o/

never figured i would say this.... Give em hell Pacifica. I hope this turns out like bi-polar where we peace out one set of wars and re-enter against Doomhouse Edit : spelling

welcome welcome....we fight side by side once again o/

welcome to the party mates

u guys had to go around picking a fight only when i am on vacation :S

Lusitan, Supreme Prince, Gearhead and Duncan King in gov at the same time.....not good at all...this is bad news for all of CN

Congrats to INT i guess, on joining C&G [quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1295211410' post='2577590'] [color="#0000FF"]I guess this is the ends any doubt about it. Athens loses to ODN in the power struggle. When can we expect TPE to come in and make your victory complete, ODN?[/color] [/quote] I am surprised you were even doubtful about ODN wielding power in C&G :S

[quote name='Owned-You' timestamp='1294878444' post='2573567'] Maybe it's my old unique perspective on things that has me a bit annoyed by this treaty and the majority of posts in it. Having been allied to STA for years I grew to know and love the great majority of things I've seen in you all over countless wars and other events. However in that context; it's somewhat sicking that this treaty is signed. Simply for the fact that it signifies a turn for the worst in your conduct and perspective old friends; in an ironic twist of events you've changed so much that your now tethering the broken disenfranchised elements of an defunct power-base into an actual side of the web. Hence why those elements are lauding this topic with endless showers of praise; you've once more given them a chance at relevance and a second chance at power. Of course, this will surely move the game into a somewhat interesting if ever so brief state of affairs as things progress. But it is bitter to see you've gone this route; even more so knowing what it will lead too. Out of respect for the past, I wish you all the best of luck navigating it, and congrats on your new friend. [/quote] Brilliant post, but the content of this post is inappropriate for this thread, it would have been a lot more relevant had it been posted here ---> http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=95905 [quote name='Owned-You' timestamp='1294880099' post='2573593'] To answer your second question I agree in most instances. In fact I founded an alliance of second chances; so I'm sort of an expert on the matter. But on the same coin, there are those who shouldn't be given a second chance at regaining certain items. This is one of those instances to be frank. [/quote] Your alliance did give a second chance to an alliance that most would believe is undeserving of a 2nd chance.....specially considering their only aim in the last war was to eliminate your alliance cos they deemed it as a threat to their security Edit : fixed typo's

[quote name='Duncan King' timestamp='1294934174' post='2574094'] raasaa is a good guy, yes, but he's only Diet PA. Prince Arutha is the only real PA. [/quote] sheesh, some ladies are just too hard to satisfy [quote name='R3nowned' timestamp='1294934307' post='2574095'] I thought for a second there that you guys were protecting "Legion" That made me do a double take lol [/quote] If you think they need protecting, please tell them to apply on the [url="http://aztec-cn.org/"]AZTEC[/url] forums. I am sure we can find something suitable [quote name='erikz' timestamp='1294935419' post='2574105'] Hey Raasaa, except for me right? [/quote] Sure, anything for you mate. I will add that into the next announcement i make regarding protection.

[center][img]http://nuevavida-cn.net/images/flags/NV_Flag_Peace350.jpg[/img][/center] Nueva Vida is protecting the alliance Legion of Honor until further notice. thanks raasaa -- Chancellor of Nueva Vida edit : fixed flag

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1294887235' post='2573690'] And thus the annual farce comes to a close. [/quote] amen congrats to those who won o/

damn you FoKkers, breaking stuff again..... Sad to see this bloc disband....even though i dont like some of the member alliances o/ FoK