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[quote name='berbers' timestamp='1348222272' post='3032666'] So I will ask these questions and I hope you answer honestly because I am bowing out of here after that, to many LSF members have asked us to stop, for me to continue would be disrespectful. [/quote] and some LSF members are learning an awful lot about what _actually_ happened and are quite riveted by this thread!

[quote name='Alex Thompson' timestamp='1348075874' post='3031865'] I originally decided to keep myself from posting in this thread, but I feel you need to be reminded of some things. Being a member of both The International and the LSF while these things were happening, I feel I'm in pretty good standing to tell you what happened and why LSF held/holds INT in a different light to NATO. The first thing to address is INT's involvement in the run up to the war. LSF was told by an INT government member (who will go unnamed) before the war started that it was an absolute certainty that they (and by extension CnG) would back LSF up if war came between LSF and NoR. This member then continued to egg LSF on throughout the "rogues, what rogues?" incident. (Irrelevant to the NoR war, but something to add too, this member also egged LSF on with the IRON apology). So, this wasn't some big LSF masterplan to manipulate INT and their allies - if anything, LSF were the ones who were manipulated. LSF also had somewhat of a "special relationship" with The International. Being both leftist alliances and with many of INT's members originating from LSF, it is ENTIRELY understandable that LSF would expect INT to be there with them as quickly as they could. These are the core reasons for LSF's frustration with the International. At first, NATO gave us their support. They told us that they would come in for us if requested. Upon hearing that INT would not be coming in to support us, we immediately told NATO and the rest of our allies not to come in, because we knew we were going to get absolutely destroyed and understood how it would look if we asked these allies to come and follow us in being ground into the dust. We calculated, perhaps wrongly in retrospect, that asking NATO to come in without INT and CnG's help would end in almost certain defeat. So we decided to keep it one-on-one with NoR for the mean time. Nearly all (or perhaps all of them, I can't quite remember) of our other allies told us they were prepared to come in for us if requested, which explains why we're not bothered about UCR, SWF etc. Once again, the same INT member came to us and told us that if we stuck it our for a few months, INT would come in after their war had ended and they'd had a chance to rebuilt. So once again, we carried on with our actions, spurred on by these encouraging words. And yet again, we were let down by the alliance for the second time. So, Rush, did you just not know the full story? Or have you just decided that you're prepared to lie about us just to have a go at us? [/quote] yup, that about sums it up.

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1348078430' post='3031875'] Reply to Crown Guard:At no point was a discussion opened on the subject of eternal war with NoR and no vote ever carried out. Just so you know. You did know and you're spinning because you're ashamed? Bless. [/quote] I can confirm this.

good fight NoRders! You all fought like gentleman...well except for the chap who nuked me everyday like clockwork, even when my NS was negligible see you in four months.

[quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1342203708' post='3009763'] Looking at your NS chart, I'm not so sure if I'd be talking about anyone not walking the walk tbh. [/quote] this not bad for a micro alliance, and we're far from finished.

[quote name='Ogaden' timestamp='1341341140' post='3002638'] Clearly LSF should honor their treaty with the International and declare war on NPL, since their conflict with NoR is irrelevant [/quote] We are voting on it [img]http://i4.ifrm.com/12332/168/emo/trollface.png[/img]

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1340494806' post='2993888'] Very cunning plan you have there. Soon you will be so small that nobody in IRON can attack you. You're almost at your goal. [/quote] your pixel dust obsession confuses moi

spare some change guv?

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1340398949' post='2992923'] Every LSF nation is in "bad standing" with IRON. 5 of them have no wars, because they are hiding in peace mode. Let the cowards come out of peace mode, and you'll soon find that they are very popular with IRON nations. [/quote] [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-q3Wx8TxrMbc/TpOIfGp_cEI/AAAAAAAALBU/y9sJSCp3bVQ/s400/01.jpg[/img] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=76627"]meh[/url]

[quote name='xoindotnler' timestamp='1340396870' post='2992893'] Funny how you get only a apology or explanation when you throw a fit. Would have been rather nice when you would just say like "hey hello sorry for a idiot that pretended to some one else and bait you to declare on someone else" but noooo. [/quote] *an apology

This IRON demands were impossible for the LSF to meet, as we cold not follow our democratic process in the time limit given.

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[quote]1) It's not what you know, what you stand for, or what you believe. It's who you know, who you stand for, and who you believe[/quote] LSF v NoR disputes this theory

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[quote name='Kaiser Martens' timestamp='1335929183' post='2962052'] Yes. I am still around. [color="#FFFFFF"][size="1"]Congrats![/size][/color] [img]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii29/voxpopuli_album/bismarck.gif[/img] [/quote] We are...dealing with it [img]http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/3512315_o.gif[/img] Can I interest you in a complimentary Martens 2012 wristband?

[quote name='Redneck' timestamp='1335904309' post='2961738'] 6 whole years? i cant believe we've let you live for 6 years........ [/quote] teehee, you poor powindah, Elesef will be coming for you in due course...

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[quote name='Gopherbashi' timestamp='1323524413' post='2872507'] Seriously guys, learn to [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=102762"]read[/url]. [/quote] Plagiarism doesn't count: http://www.badmovies.org/othermovies/dune/

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