KCToker

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1286766316' post='2480984'] The problem with OsRavan's actions is that he was acting in total contradiction to UPN's wishes. OsRavan undermined Peggy's authority and UPN's sovereignty by entering ex parte with GOONS and directly making a deal Peggy had rejected. That is not the act of an ally regardless of whether UPN's decision to reject GOONS offer was bad or not. Alliances don't pay off their allies' enemies to go away behind their backs and get a high-five. OsRavan's behavior is really rather shocking to me. [/quote] An ally's job is to protect those they are allied to. I'll admit though that this is probably an unheard of concept for you. GO GO GADGET SPELLING ERRORS

[quote name='Ejayrazz' timestamp='1286765942' post='2480971'] So should VE have come defended Ninjas even though we cancelled because I helped route your spying problems out in 07? I agree too a certain extent dude, but just because ODN saved them before doesn't mean they need to tie themselves forever. ODN did an honorable thing, but you can't force something which doesn't deserve to be there anymore. [/quote] Except ODN saved them [i]last week[/i].

ODN puts their butts on the line for you guys to try and keep you from getting destroyed. As repayment for this act, you cancel your treaty with them. And you reasoning for this is so that you can avoid canceling treaties with allies that would never do the same thing ODN did for you guys in a million years. I seriously think you guys are actively [i]trying[/i] to be WAE.

Looks like someone isn't happy about how they came off in these logs! Protip: If you don't want to look like a massive idiot with the cognitive reasoning of a Goldfish cracker, don't be one.

[quote name='KingEd' timestamp='1286141815' post='2473473'] Lmao. Indeed it does. I guess it would have also been helpful for Fark to announce their new MDoAP's with the rest of SF & the cancellation of SF itself but I guess not. What's this world coming to? [/quote] It's coming to the realization that OWF is now only used by people who have nothing better to do than speculate stupidly for 30+ pages about stuff they really don't understand; in the process coming up with about 50-odd theories about the truth, only to go "AHA I KNEW IT" if/when the truth is actually announced. Also grudges/attention-whores.

Not to be nitpicky (OK, well, yes to be nitpicky), but you haven't actually shown any evidence of lying. Certainly of being an idiot, but not of lying

[quote name='Corinan' timestamp='1286136714' post='2473368'] Why do you keep mentioning Frostbite? The topic of this conversation is Fark and why it has left the dying SuperFriends. Try to keep up with us here. [/quote] Thank you for helping to demonstrate why Fark chose not to announce this.

[quote name='Thunder Strike' timestamp='1286000097' post='2472021'] Also VE passed MK, R&R passed FAN, GLOF passed NATO [/quote] This, except R&R didn't pass FAN

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1285885691' post='2470277'] If you don't take Sardonic's words seriously, you can't take Ninjas/FnKa's words seriously either. You know as well as I that both are just puffing out their chests and throwing big words at each other to try and sound intimidating. [/quote] I'm taking Sardonic's words quite seriously, it's just that I know how to read, so I understand what he was saying.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1285883403' post='2470228'] [color="#0000FF"]I truly do hate that line of reasoning. It is rubbish logic like this, with grant no quarter and show no mercy, that deters anyone from doing anything at all, unless they have massively superior odds, because the consequences will most certainly be either disbandment or extremely harsh reps. It is this lack of compassion, and the extreme sadism shown by victors towards the vanquished, that has led to today's political stagnation. Frankly this is something that needs to be changed.[/color] [/quote] I never said mercy should not be given, but it has been made pretty clear by the aggressors that they are going to continue this until one of them is destroyed. Until they change their minds, the only two possible outcomes are disbandment or months of war.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1285881796' post='2470196'] [color="#0000FF"]When an alliance is unable to get peace, then it really has no choice but to call it quits. There are very few alliances capable of surviving months upon months of war.[/color] [/quote] It's a choice they made when they started an aggressive war. If they had been the ones attacked, the situation would be very different. But they chose this path, if they end up warring for months on end, the only responsibility for that lies with them, not GOONS.

So you don't have an actual point to this thread, I take it. Other than quoting something out-of-context and hoping that everyone that reads it won't go and look at the context, or hope that they share you inability to read. Good luck with that.

[quote name='Mixoux' timestamp='1285774952' post='2468352'] So I'm glad that the cyberverse has once again redefined what's acceptable to use when attacking someone! And I mean that, no sarcasm at all. I truly will enjoy this for future wars. Everyone who's posted their support to Ninjas in this thread, just remember: I'll try not to say, "I told you so", I promise. [/quote] Indeed, I never thought I'd see the day when "We don't like you" is an acceptable CB. It's probably for the best anyways.

[quote name='Biazt' timestamp='1285692908' post='2466933'] You really must do something about this obsession you have with us Schattenman, it's quite unbecoming. [/quote] It's also most likely unhealthy.

[quote name='Great Lord Moth' timestamp='1285692284' post='2466920'] Methinks the Add-Drop lines are off. o.o [/quote] I think Gopher is keeping them pegged to FOK's score until it becomes clear they won't be getting their sanction back anytime soon.

I am the only one that sees the irony in Legion getting butthurt over someone not fighting?

Ah, sorry about the GPA Jolly Roger. I recently organized me folder on R&R's website. http://www.rnr-fleet.com/kctoker/sanction/gpa.png That's the new address. Again, sorry about that. EDIT: BAH it won't work right now, what with the word filter.

[quote name='AAR0N' timestamp='1284824905' post='2457226'] ok so i've decided posting on this thread was clearly a large mistake on my part because it seems the alliance mk and their allies, are trolls and you should never respond to trolls, they'll just piss you off and you can't piss them off and arguing and fighting with them is what they want it just adds to the fire so i'm suggesting all legionairs pull out of this terrible thread, just stop posting here and let us ignore the trolls, leave them to their bridges [/quote] [img]http://images.retecool.com/uploads/shabaz-cartman-screw-you-guys.jpg[/img] "Screw you guys, I'm going home"

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1284525314' post='2454458'] I'd think that threatening an MADP partner, claiming spying, because an ex-member gave other people information available to ex-members to be violating the spirit of the treaty at least, wouldn't you? Of course, it was Chickenzilla, and somewhere in his resume is the phrase "Always makes a good CB for a Green alliance." [/quote] Oh hey, it's Haflinger talking about things he has no idea about again, surprise surprise. First and foremost, the treaty was already canceled, due to the NpO-FIST war, which invalidates your entire point. Second of all, it's not just giving people information available to ex-members, considering he changed his password and made it available for any Polar member to log into his account themselves. Whether or not that's spying is up for debate but it's certainly not just "giving information". But hey, keep thinking what you want, just don't be surprised when nobody believes what you say.

[quote name='LeonidasRexII' timestamp='1284522074' post='2454372'] A basic policy disagreement came up in the GOONS DoW thread - [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=91676&view=findpost&p=2454208"]http://forums.cybern...dpost&p=2454208[/url], and I wanted to know what everyone else thought. Here's the situ - Alliance A is at war with Rogue X who is then aided by a member from Alliance B. Alliance A complains to Alliance B presents evidence of the illegal aid, and requests to have the suspected member spied on. Alliance B allows another alliance to spy on their member. Do you think that allowing another alliance to spy on your own members should be allowed? If it is allowed do you think it could have a negative effect on the trust between alliance leaders and their members? In my own opinion alliances should handle these things internally as much as possible. If the member is found to have violated the alliance charter they would be subject to appropriate punishment up to and including expulsion. [/quote] You say alliances should handle it internally, yet you post a topic here. [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1284524241' post='2454425'] The terrorists would sound a lot like GOONS and their attacks on weaker alliances as well as unaligned nations. It would seem when an alliance writes it into their charter that they have the right to terrorize these nations it would seem more logical to not help GOONS, which would be the terrorists in any analogy here. [/quote] Contrary to your belief, every thread here isn't about you. Stop trying to make it about you.

Good job UPN on finally beginning to realize some of the reasons you are considered the modern incarnation of WAE. Is that positive enough for you?

[quote name='Aurion' timestamp='1284427913' post='2453099'] You should feel bad for contributing to this crap, KC. [/quote] I am entitled to one terrible thread a year.

Now it's a real poll I won't be adding a "Best Poll" question because that would imply one of them is good. Note: I don't consider the SoTW to be a "bad poll", but it was only fair to add it to the list of polls that occurred this week. Also: Thanks to Schad for this idea.

Well OWF, what do you think?

[quote name='adzzz' timestamp='1284408682' post='2452586'] well then why bother [/quote] The same can be said to you for making this thread.