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And this is why UPN is a laughing stock.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1286564700' post='2479018'] Impero, I'm going to say this very slowly for your benefit, because you're the only one in the room that doesn't get it and you think you're on to something and its embarrassing to watch: The comment you are calling a lie is clearly tongue-in-cheek. There is a popular TV show in my tiny nation Schloss Eggenberg called Perry Mason, where a clever prosecutor ends each show with an AH-HA! moment. I can see you're going for it, but you're just not there because you're such a buffoon. [/quote] Ah, the classic "I was joking" backpedal.

This is one of the worst posts I've seen in a long time, and judging from the current state of the OWF that's saying a lot.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1286558520' post='2478937'] if an IAA member rogues GOONS, they demand $90 million. [/quote] Incorrect. That is, unless the IAA member joins a group of rogues, plots to destroy GOONS for months, then nukes us for weeks In which case we ask for $15m, not $90m.

Clever and original

Very original and entertaining

Looks good.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1285971269' post='2471512'] [color="#0000FF"]Go ahead an attack Brown Trade Partner. I'd love to see how well that would work out for you.[/color] [/quote] There's our CB folks!

Hail the new Crown Prince, Lebubu.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1286234880' post='2474755'] [color="#0000FF"]I see you have been catching up on your scripture. Well done, my child. Now go forth in peace with my blessing. Your transgressions have been forgiven. For you have seen the light, and it shows that I am right. For this new bloc will be the end of all that is good and holy in this world, and only one man, but no mere man, a legend, a hero, a crusader for justice, why, Myself, can stop it. I shall stand alone against the face of Armageddon and put an end to this great evil before it reaps its whirlwind across this world. You may hate me, but you cannot deny that I am your savior. For without me there will be no one man enough to lead the charge against the neo-UjP.[/color] [/quote] Good to have ya back RV.

The wiki you say? Well, it's settled then.

[quote name='Steve Buscemi' timestamp='1286218009' post='2474368'] What's funny about this is in the past your alliance would have rolled the alliance making a post just like yours here. You are just a Grade A hypocrite aren't you. [/quote] Posting before the inevitable "but it's on a public forum!" rush

Unlikely considering almost all tech raids occur at NS levels where nukes are not found.

At least now we don't have to deal with people alluding to the bloc in their posts as if they're somehow clever when [i]entire alliances[/i] knew about this for quite some time.

[quote name='Emphix' timestamp='1286050347' post='2472423'] I agree for the concept of good to exist, people need to know and experience something to be called "bad" first. However, if the "bad guy" suddenly saying they are doing bad things so the "good guy" can exist or have something to do, now that's just plain joke. Self justification at its worst (and funniest). [/quote] I hope you realize this is an OOC forum.

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1286034161' post='2472216'] See, I was with you until this point. Because, quite frankly, this point is simply not true. I cannot think of ANY alliance that would pursue a raider who fights back, beyond the week of war that the initial raid started. If you know of any alliances who give raiders who fight back no recourse.. share them with me please, because, as Athens is, and is connected to, most of the vehement raiding alliances on this planet, I dont think I would have missed such an alliance. [/quote] We don't pursue raid targets that fight back. If they continue to stay on NONE our members can raid them again if they choose, but that isn't anything personal. For example, I recently raided this nation: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=374495 who responded to my GAs with bombing runs, cruise missles etc. I responded accordingly but held back on nuking him throughout the duration of the war. He's still in NONE yet not involved in any wars right now. If your assertion that we pursue raid targets that fight back was true he'd still be at war.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1285995567' post='2471963'] Which is why many of your raid victims end up just quitting if they don't feel like signing up on your board and doing things for your amusement after getting attacked by you guys. The whole mercy board concept is a sadistic one that you guys do use to grief players and make yourselves feel superior for beating down on unaligned nations and micro alliances. [/quote] On the contrary, lots of players enjoy fulfilling the mercy board terms. It's only players that take themselves far too seriously (you) that get upset about it.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1285995113' post='2471952'] No recourse would be better than wasting someones time with the mercy board, I don't think many new players would be motivated to continue playing after having to deal with all the BS you put nations through there. [/quote] Trick question, the other option is no recourse by default.

[quote]You want me to compile a list of GOONS posts for you? Open just about any thread longer than 3 pages and there will be great steaming piles of GOON posts for your enjoyment.[/quote] I don't think so. As for the griefing claim: we're not [i]making[/i] anyone do our lighthearted mercy board terms. Considering some other tech raiding alliances wouldn't even give them terms I'd say we're being generous. Unless you'd prefer we gave them no recourse?

[quote name='bzelger' timestamp='1285993792' post='2471929'] This is a bad post and you should feel bad. You're fooling yourself if you honestly think you're doing anyone but yourselves a service. Tech raiding is not an interesting way to divide the world. Griefing new players and mounding the forums with !@#$posting isn't doing anyone any favors. You're trying to substitute being jerks for being political antagonists but all you've succeeded at is being jerks. [/quote] Please post examples of us !@#$posting all over the forums. Tech raiding is not griefing. You seem to have a misunderstanding of griefing and/or tech raiding.

The parable of the angel and the devil. There's an angel and a devil that are constantly at each other's throats. The devil does everything it can to bring the angel down. The angel preaches to the devil to mend his ways. The devil sneers and snarls and throws things. Then, one day, the angel sees the devil in the gutter. The angel picks him up, dusts him off, and pulls him to his feet. A passerby asks "Why are you helping him? What has he ever done to deserve it?" The angel turns do him and says "Don't you see? Without him, there is no me." Everyone in this game likes to hate on the raiding alliances. We're the bad guys, we're driving people from the game, supposedly, we're cowards, hypocrites, thugs, hooligans. No sin is too great to be put on our shoulders. No action we do can be pure of motive. We can be lied to, tricked, and destroyed, and it's justified because We're The Bad Guys. And that's fine. No raiding alliance adopted its policy thinking "This is the easiest way to get love in the cyberverse". If you raid, you do so under the assumption and the implicit acceptance that you have adopted the persona of Bad Guy. In wrestling terms, you're the heel. All you need is a moustache to twirl, a girl to tie to the train tracks, and you're Snidely Whiplash. There are few deeds good enough to wash away the stain of being a tech raider. Likewise, if you decide you want to be Dudley Do-Right, if your ambition in this world is to be the biggest and most heroic babyface imaginable, can you guess what step one is? That's right, choose the most generic alliance name possible and change your userpic to your favourite anime character! Wait, I got that wrong. What I meant to say was "Loudly condemn tech raiding!" Few approaches are guaranteed to polish your halo more than talking about boy howdy how much you hate those goshdarn tech raiders. And, much like there are few deeds good enough to wash away the stain of being a tech raider, there are few sins dark enough that the Clorox of Anti-Raiding won't shift them. It is not uncommon to see alliances that have extorted others, declared massive wars for spurious reasons, installed dictatorial leaders on conquered foes, and deliberately attempted to drive their enemies off the world entirely, line up at the moralist lectern to proclaim how utterly terrible tech raiding is and what a negative effect it has. And not getting called on it. Before you think this is a complaint, it's not. It's the job of the bad guys to be bad, not matter what else they are, and the job of the good guys to be good, no matter what else they are. Here, however, is the thing you don't want to think about: You need us. Tech raiding makes good bad guys for a number of reasons. First, it's really easy to condemn, a simple moral stance that takes very little explanation. Second, and this is the nice one, as evils go it's fairly harmless, and there are few consequences to condemning it. The alliances these days that are tech raiding are a terrible and disgusting menace... to microalliances. They're a horrible and unstoppable evil... unless you have 16 members. They will show no mercy... unless you do a picture of a cat in MSPaint for them. No alliance ever got stomped for talking smack about techraiders. Tech raiders didn't ever go to war with anyone for voting for the wrong senate candidate. Tech raiders do something easily condemned and mostly harmless. Thus the main moral debate in the game isn't between the moralists and an actual hegemonistic evil, it's between the moralists and Dick Dastardly. The people in the white hats aren't chinese students in front of a tank, they're Fred and Daphne revealing that the ghost was actually the janitor of the only funfair all the time. We keep the argument light. We keep the consequences of being on the wrong side of the argument light. We're still Lex Luthor and you're still Superman, but we're the Lex Luthor who steals 40 cakes. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible. And here's where we get back to the angel and the devil. If there weren't tech raiders in the game, if we all just vanished as I know some of you want us to, what would you all fight about? You know you'd fight about something, because deep down you know that fighting is what this game is about. You'd find something to fight about, and whhen you did, you'd find that a lot of the people in the white hats had learned to be cruel. They would have the tremendous viciousness of those who know they are Doing The Right Thing. I don't think you'd find it a very pleasant world. So, what I'm saying is this: You need us. Because without us, there would be no you. -Lamuella

It's been like this in CN from day one. I thought everyone knew this already? This isn't surprising in the least.

Like others have said it's the length of time it takes for new nations to build up anywhere near close enough to be relevant.

[quote name='Egwaterboy61' timestamp='1285967087' post='2471445'] Personally, I think it's about the *time* in which they get raided. If you joined a new game...that took forever to build anything worth playing with...and you lost all of it within the first week or month, would you stick around? The problem lies within the mechanics of CN. It takes so long to build your nation, that when you loose it at a drop of a hat you get frustrated and quit. Speaking for me, if I got raided on day one, I would have quit. If I got raided on day 1,000 I wouldn't have. When your new you need time to grow and learn about the game. It's like when you catch a baby fish...you gotta throw it back. [/quote] You also need to ignore the 500 recruitment messages that are sent to you offering protection.

[quote name='jeff barr' timestamp='1285910912' post='2470794'] ....[i]what?[/i] 2007: "Wtf guys, why are you doing that?" "lol who cares, bawwwwww. Do something about it" *something is done* "Queue half a dozen of the strongest alliances on Bob rolling those who did something about it" 2010: "Wtf guys, why are you doing that?" "lol who cares, bawwwwww. Do something about it" *something is done* "Queue half a dozen of the strongest alliances on Bob rolling those who did something about it" Welp, you're right. No antagonising or comparisons here whatsoever. [/quote] You can apply this faulty logic to almost every alliance that has ever been curbstomped. Keep reaching.