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I like precision, clearly defined words where ambiguity will not be a factor. Therefore "white peace" is peace with no terms applied. If there are any terms then it isn't "white peace". Even if said terms are lenient. Agreeing to no reps but you cannot re-enter the present conflict is a term.

To many of C&G supporters have drunk the mushroom laced Kool-AID. Repeat something often enough, drown the opposition reasoned discourse with counters that becomes Meme and the truth will be lost in the deluge of threads. A public relations coup used well bringing the hegemony down, now substandard rhetoric. Had TOP and IRON entered conventionally instead of preemptively, the words would change but the methodology would not.

[quote name='Tulafaras' date='18 February 2010 - 12:14 PM' timestamp='1266516864' post='2189907'] (Note, do not get me wrong, as i said i find the attitude to support your allies to end honorable and would likely do the same, but on the same token your allies are obliged to do their utmost to get you out of the same war within a reasonable timeframe.) [/quote] If this is a reasonable response, does it not also apply to C&G also? Or if doesn't why?

[quote name='TheNeverender' date='15 February 2010 - 11:16 PM' timestamp='1266297380' post='2184723'] So you were trying to answer my question of how to make them make up for what they did by going on a diatribe about "draconian terms" and the like? You didn't actually answer my question, so if that was your aim you missed the target. [/quote] Approach them without draconian terms or revenge in mind,if that misses a target you define, so be it.

[quote name='TheNeverender' date='15 February 2010 - 05:31 PM' timestamp='1266276708' post='2183609'] What in gods name does that have to do at all with what I posted? I mean really, like...at all. [/quote] It answered this question posed by you. "My statement was more in the line of asking how I'm going to make people make up for what they did." Redefining in the MK way,what you would call justice into revenge. Indeed-reading comprehension.

[quote name='TheNeverender' date='15 February 2010 - 02:11 PM' timestamp='1266264673' post='2183358'] TOP isn't willing to pay reps. If they were, it would be a different story. Beyond going off on a tangential topic almost utterly unrelated to my statement, you're also outright wrong, speaking complete untruths, and then accusing me of hypocrisy. If you cannot be bothered to check your facts prior to posting, then please don't post. My statement was more in the line of asking how I'm going to make people make up for what they did. They have no allies who are encouraging them to make amends (as in the Athens/FoB situation), in fact most of their allies are quite happy with what they did and are supportive of it. So in the absence of that, and in the absence of any native desire within TOP to "make amends", I was asking Rebel Virgina for ideas with respect to how to "make" TOP "make amends." Reading comprehension, anyone? [/quote] Might be they remember,"no draconian terms" that evolved into 10 billion. Your allies and supporters redefined draconian and approaching you would be more of the same;or with real leadership you would approach them with a offer which wasn't one of revenge. And if revenge is not you motive why did you accept reps from a front you were not even in from the last war.Revenge by my definition, reserving the right to redefine meaning of words like you did.

Error; posted from different thread.

There are two posts in the queue which are repeat posts.I do not censor replies.

This war is a true test of character.Both victor and loser face a no-win scenario.It will test the mettle of all opponents.The victors will have a Pyrrhic victory; the loser at best, all in peace mode modeling their continuation of war after FAN and VOX. This is a continuation of Hegemony History. To change this outcome leadership needs a new paradigm.If continuation of expected outcomes continues with repeated results it is time to chart a different course and win the Kobayashi Maru.

[quote name='jerdge' date='12 February 2010 - 05:46 PM' timestamp='1266018373' post='2178323'] I assure you that until you surrender we won't forget about you, no matter how many of you hit ZI. [/quote] When i joined, my alliance was Iron.We were actively monitoring all FAN and VOX nations.Probably NPO was doing the same and others,maybe even you.FAN And VOX did not disappear. Their model is always available.

[quote name='Stumpy Jung Il' date='11 February 2010 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1265939362' post='2176057'] If you didnt vote IRON Im laughing at you. [/quote] Here I always thought you wished us to laugh at you? Now...I'm confused.

[center] Improper Syntax Violation to haiku Goon failure again [/center]

[quote name='potato' date='10 February 2010 - 06:49 PM' timestamp='1265849363' post='2173495'] No, it's because you're thick. Or playing thick in order to paint MK as big meanies. Think about it, really. I promise it won't hurt. [/quote] If reason and rationality is thick...call me thick. Your alliance mate hoisted himself on his own petard.You cannot claim you are readily handling a threat and then in the same paragraph state that said threat still exists.A is A not none A.

[quote name='Drai' date='10 February 2010 - 09:34 AM' timestamp='1265816073' post='2172638'] It ends when everybody feels satisfied with the results, or if one side knows they aren't progressing enough to accomplish anything worthwhile and is willing to take reps or terms from the other side. For now, neither of those are close to happening. I really don't see how many people will be satisfied with white peace in this case. Anybody I've seen pushing for white peace was part of the aggressors' side. Obviously they'll feel that way because ever since the beginning of the war their side has been growing more outnumbered. Meanwhile the Defending side has been gaining influence, and very much feels that they were wrongly attacked. They don't want to run the risk of this happening again so they want to make sure they're not at a disadvantage to the other side. At this point in time that won't happen with white peace, and even in a couple weeks I don't see it being very plausible. That's what I've observed from "my side's" point of view at least. [/quote] So ,let me get this straight.Your side is winning and handling the other side, yet they are still a threat. The logic of this escapes me.It's just one of many from your side that just defies any reason.The vaulted PR machine of MK is showing chasms instead of cracks.

You have never offered proof that the things done to you is from a bigoted attitude.Exactly how are those actions by others against you, not coming from your own doing.And continuing in the same behavior expecting different results is clearly not the path you should pursue. A mental illness and losing friends does not justify reprehensible behavior. I altruistically feel for your pain with you condition and suggest that if this game is contributing to it,you might decide in your interest to leave.Using a metaphor, if you throw your own excrement, society will not continue to let you get away with it, whatever the mental condition.

Games should be fun for everyone.When your fun interferes with the fun of someone else is where the major question comes in to play.Hackers enjoy making programs that are destructive which spoils others enjoyment.Nothing ruins your day as having your computer go down.Your fun ended through the enjoyment of others. Admit it your definition of fun comes at the distress of others.Let's ask FOB if it was fun for them when your alliance and others tech raided 3 vs 1.

The mechanics of the game might address why there are only two declarations.You can not declare in anarchy, you can not declare unless a nation is within range. This might explain NpO's help at this point. This raises an additional point where is MKs defense of NpO,treaties are a two way street.Mechanics might account for it but there is no DOW by MK in defense of NpO.I expect none, MK will talk the talk but will not walk the walk.

[quote name='tamerlane' date='06 February 2010 - 04:12 AM' timestamp='1265451161' post='2164166'] If you ever care to check your treaty list or ask the people themselves, we were involved in trying to mediate the cluster$%&@ that was that mess to a resolution that benefited all our allies.[/quote] Your treaty said nothing about mediation,half the alliance that are declaring or using the MD of their treaties.They aren't using mediation they are going in regardless of treaty partners.STA is not declared against those fighting NpO they declared in defense of your side of the fight.They are ignoring a treaty partner and fighting for another.I have heard no condemnation for this action from your side of the fight.Thus NpO could have ignored their commitment to MK by this acceptance of STA's actions.Permissible if it benefits MK condemned if its doesn't.I expect sophist of MK caliber to fail to understand this nuance.

VE is fully engaged with NpO. Will this end;also GOD? I will not fault NpO on a treaty commitment, yet there seems to be some word given to TOP that this would not be done.A verbal commitment is just as binding as a written agreement.Also where was MK when PC and FOK declared on NpO .And before the sophistry of NpO declared on \m/ rears is convoluted head, the only aggressive action by NpO was against \m/.PC and FOK's declaration against NpO should have been countered by MK's declaration in defense of NpO. To say otherwise would negate more than half the declarations issued now in defense of MK that were not issued against Top/Iron/TORN.

During a recent insurrection in the Nation of Ginginugaap. The insurgents used a tactic they called "grabbing the belt" where they made such close contact with my forces that we could not use our big stick(air and art).Throughout Ginginugap's military establishment the consensus was this was cowardly.It took a purge of the upper tier of my military to correct this stupid notion, that an enemy would fight to your strength. Only a fool would not use tactics that gave them whatever advantage could be arranged.

[quote name='SpiderJerusalem' date='02 February 2010 - 09:13 AM' timestamp='1265123596' post='2153173'] Well, well, well. I am saddened by the fact that you concealed some information to get Polar to join you in your [b]aggressive[/b] action. That's what I've heard at least. Why don't you want your dear ally NpO to have peace? Are they less important than IRON to you? Because, effectively, you've condemned Polar to a long time of pain because of [i]your[/i] stubbornness in the matter of saving IRON. All you have to do is accept the white peace offered to you, and Polar will have no ties to "your" side in this war. And you would also have a much better chance of helping IRON rebuild if you don't end up as a crater. Remember kids, revenge is a dish best served cold [/quote] White peace comes with no terms. Fark rather than giving white peace had a term, telling NSO what commitments they would follow. You can not change the definition of white peace no matter how hard you try.

Fark had all the time it takes for NpO to come out of nuclear anarchy.just how much time does it take to have given NSO peace.

Fark continued it.

\M/bolized vs Vaccine

The salient point is that Almighty grub did not inform a treaty partner that Peace was at hand. To do so might have prevented the Top/Iron strike.Given NSO was a treaty partner of Iron. NSO who had come to NpO's defense, following their treaty obligation which NpO failed to do.Fark would not let NSO Peace out.Everyone knows this,and is ignored as other abuses are ignored.Pragmatism at its worse.