General Ozujsko

[quote name='reroll' timestamp='1299706936' post='2657952'] ....Im a little disappointed we we're not asked to declare on DT as I would have loved to drop a DoW on you Oz...Supa too! [/quote] A war with you would have been totally SOLID.

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1299701703' post='2657876'] I hear that...if DT didnt like it they shouldnt of agreed to it, if their allies didnt like it, they should of stepped in to help them. [/quote] I don't think that's the case...we're still being hounded about the reps and past terms. The war is over, the reps should be starting soon. I don't see what the big deal is.

[quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1299678532' post='2657725'] Yes yes this is extortion. However, DT extorted in the past, so according to you what CSN did was just get revenge for SSSW18. So it's all good. [/quote] We extorted in the past? Please. They were tech deals...we gave them money and they sold us tech. How evil! You should probably research the differences between our terms with SSSW18 and those with CSN....they are vastly different. [quote name='neneko' timestamp='1299684364' post='2657761'] As for the horrible extortion it's not that bad really. Some alliances want some spoils of war. DT have proven they're not above taking some when they get the chance so it's a bit silly to demonize CSN over it. [/quote] See above.

Good luck to the Brain. I like you guys...and Reroll is a friend of mine.

[quote name='tblindparrot' timestamp='1299523228' post='2655592'] I re-created my nation after a long time of not playing. As well, no. I am correct. I have been here a long time before you and I remember that they have done this same song and dance of disbanding, reforming, and acting all nice before. I even used them back when I was in the WUT to do my bidding - but remember, they're still racists. [/quote] If Nordreich is racist, then I'm a Protoss. == NoR - good luck and have fun.

[quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1299385664' post='2654098'] Nope, I got that perfectly, I already knew the answer because I'm smarter than you. I just wanted to get one of you to say it. Your moral stand and indignation in the first thread were nothing more than PR positions to take. You had no objections to paying other than numbers, but saying so won't get you any public support. And now you've admitted it. I'm happy. [/quote] Haha. Grasping at straws, buddy. We made it clear we were going to resist against absurd terms. We finally got a deal that was a bit more manageable and acceptable. We no longer wanted to drag LOSS through more war so we took the deal. I see that "rational self-interest" is not a common concept with you. Penkala and Jocabia were just silly...but you're a rare breed.

People are surprised by this? I thought this was pretty well known. NoR - Thank you for standing by our side, especially over the last few weeks. Our friendship cannot be broken. Good luck. DT+NoR 4/9/11 Also, Friends over Coalition Warfare...lol. EDIT: Fixed double-negative.

Typo, the war is over and we've all gone home...give it up. Also, "paid."

[quote name='janax' timestamp='1298998671' post='2648229'] We balked at writing a 3 paragraph story, when faced with 10 times the nations and 7 times our NS. You agreed to pay 20K tech when faced with nearly equal numbers and less than 3 times the NS (much less I believe). They are your daddies. [/quote] Okay buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night. DT and allies will have the terms paid off, rebuild in a great "Dark-Shawl Plan," and be back in shape in time for summer. Titan, Supa, and I are working on our beach bodies, brah. = Alright, I'm outta here before we get 70 pages about ice cream cones. Glad to see peace. Many thanks to our allies. Later.

[quote name='janax' timestamp='1298991004' post='2648073'] I'm glad that for all their tough talk, DT and LoSS surrendered and [b]admitted CSN is their daddy.[/b] [/quote] BAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Really? We've already stated why we decided to sign the terms - there was no point in dragging LOSS through an extended conflict. So let's examine the terms: Original offer - 40k tech from 2k+ Goose's "I'M DONE NEGOTIATING" offer - 30k tech Actual terms - 5k tech from 2k+ and 5k cash equivalent to CSN. 10k (or cash equivalent) to Legacy from our allies. Yep, they're certainly our "daddy"...lol.

And so it ends and we return to regular avatars without the Taliban-theme...about time. To LoSS - I have gained a new respect for you guys. And you have my thanks. To Bud - You will have our eternal appreciation for your diplomatic work and peace-making. To our allies, especially Nordreich, Valhalla, and Nueva Vida - words cannot express my appreciation for your assistance. To the casual observers - the apology in question is regarding a specific action and it is certainly deserved. Regarding reps - it was unlikely that CSN would agree to white peace and it was unlikely that DT would ever agree to the original absurd terms and then the slightly-less absurd terms. We had a deal that was much better than I expected. We resisted to the best of our ability, given the crappy situation we found ourselves in. Are there lessons to be learned? Of course. But DT put brotherhood to the test and passed. I have nothing nice to say about CSN and their "fanboys" (had to do it one last time... ) so I won't say anything at all. One exception - SpacingOutMan is actually a rather good guy. I'll be against extortionist reps...but won't advocate on your behalf if you ever find yourself in the same position that DT has been in. My apologies in advance.

Congratulations Valhalla!

Congratulations all around.

[quote name='Tidy Bowl Man' timestamp='1298926980' post='2647003'] Charge a big mouth tax on Chef Joe? 100 tech from DT everytime the cook says something moronic sounds about right. [/quote] And yet they claim that these extortionist terms aren't motivated by greed.

For the record? I mean, you would think you would provide some evidence, right? Listen, either provide some evidence so DT can take care of it or quit with the accusations that we've made OOC threats. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

[quote name='Jocabia' timestamp='1298604435' post='2644408'] Are you? Hmmmm... that's interesting. You've only got 50 members. I've talked to at least a dozen who have said at one time or another they weren't opposed to reps, just the amount. One of your members posted a blog yesterday that said he doesn't really mind paying reps. But, hey, keep selling that nonsense. I don't doubt you've had some members who were vehemently against it. We've had some members who were vehemently for a large rep amount since very early on. From what I gather, many of your members and many of our members were for both sides being reasonable, but both governments were too hard-headed to try and be reasonable. And, yeah, you were one of the people who were there and being hard-headed. [/quote] You mentioned "a lot of members." That's a newsflash to DT...I'd say the vast majority are opposed to anything but white peace. I was where? The IRC chat with the white peace and suggestion of optional apology? Find me where I'm being hard-headed in that log, buddy. I mention, no less than 3 times, for Goose to have Liz leave the talks if she couldn't handle it. That's my nice voice...my apologies if you can't handle it. And I don't shy away from being called "hard-headed" from my posts here. I have a responsibility to DT to ensure their long-term security and sovereignty. So, basically, "hard-headed" is what you call someone who resists extortion. So be it. I'll proudly wear that label. But don't kid yourself and say I was hard-headed in those talks.

[quote name='Jocabia' timestamp='1298585110' post='2644156'] At the beginning of this CSN had a lot of people that wanted us to lower our offer, and [i]DT had a lot of people willing to pay reps[/i], but as this has escalated and been argued about, we've gotten further apart. [/quote] Care to elaborate? I'm fairly certain that isn't accurate.

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1298478846' post='2642889'] What happens after that is out of my control [/quote] Of course it is. Admin forbid Sarm ever take a stand for any position. EDIT: Wow, Mag and Doch just double-teamed that post...lol. Someone better call Olivia Benson...

[quote name='Supa_Troop3r' timestamp='1298443785' post='2642622'] Sorry to hear man You know our doors are always open whenever [/quote] And before anybody screams "OMGPOACHING!!", Wu used to run FA in DT. We like him.

I like your posts and I'm glad you're around.

At least you tried, buddy. Best of luck. And come hang out in the DT chan more often...it's been fun.

[quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1298405807' post='2641899'] Him being old doesn't help either. He starts screaming LALALALALALA but then gets a hernia. It's a pretty pain-staking process for him. [/quote] To be fair, I wish you were in charge of CSN. I have seen logs and you're the most reasonable govt official, by far. And I have a feeling that there would be no 40k tech terms and subsequent Dark Taliban if you were calling the shots. I don't give out compliments lightly. -Oz

[quote name='The Great One' timestamp='1298401612' post='2641849'] Any further developments on terms? CSN has to br truly foolish to continue taking the damage they are taking just because they want 40k tech that they don't deserve at all. [/quote] No. Goose has employed the negotiating strategy of plugging his ears and screaming "LALALALALALACAN'THEARYOULALALALALA"...

[quote name='Jocabia' timestamp='1298355277' post='2641485'] Hahahaha. But you don't think you can win. We both know that after 6 days your alliance was surrendering and you were there. [/quote] And here you are again taking stats from the last 6 days of war and drawing many conclusions from it. Can't see the forest for the trees, huh? [quote name='Jocabia' timestamp='1298355608' post='2641491'] I love this game, can I play? Because you guys have shown yourselves to be willing to use any means to manipulate the outcome of a war, people will forever hold that against you. [/quote] Forever use that against us? Wow. Haha. Do you know how many new faces we've seen around our forums and IRC channel? Do you realize that we're getting support on your "side"?? Do you realize that people that used to routinely give us a hard time are now telling us to keep going? Please, the only people who will hold this against us never cared for us to begin with. Which is fine and expected. But maybe you do need to brush up on your history - resistance movements in CN are almost universally respected. The oppressor may be frustrated and annoyed, but foolish to disrespect such courage. [quote] I declare that we're winning because if I wait long enough, some day, you guys will disband or join another alliance. And I will be vindicated. [/quote] You really have no idea about our history, do you? I mentioned this to somebody else in CSN but they chose to not respond. Doesn't matter - Jacobia, we are an alliance of outsiders. We formed as a split off SOLID. We are the fringe of CN. We won't disband. We won't be joining another alliance. You can wait until the end of days because you will never be vindicated. All of our major allies have given their all in wars and rebuilt themselves. Some of them had their own resistance movements. Most, if not all, of them have pledged rebuilding aid. We are in good company. At the end of the day, our resolve will last longer than CSN's warchest. That's it. End of story. Continue to cherry-pick stats from 6 days of war and insinuate that we'll disband - it's quite amusing. === PS: Glad to see CSN finally get their own version of Penkala to fire mental turds at us. Right on. My shipment of coloring books is on it's way, buddy.

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1298317557' post='2640847'] Anyone with half a brain who knows the history of the members of the Dark Templar would know that in a war like this one they would inevitably be on the side of the New Polar Order. I mean, VE hits NpO over a CB that, well, calling it paper thin would be an insult to your favourite paper manufacturer. Then look at who are in DT: people like Myworld and Magnet, and it doesn't take a genius to work out which side they're going to be on. I still find it a bit strange how DT doesn't have a treaty with the Polars. Oh well. [/quote] FYI: There hasn't been a post in NpO's thread on our forums in over a year. And I'm fairly certain we don't have a diplomat over there. But yeah, keep speculating...lol.