Fireandthepassion

Even those real life wars based on religion had an economic reason behind them. No this isn't a conspiracy. Economic gain is what fuels all war.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=78676 I must say I have some foreshadowing skills. Not that this was unexpected, but still .

So ODN altered their charter to allow MADPs? That's neat. No really it is. Also congratulations to ODN on being stuck with some fine allies.

When FARK does make themselves known it's in hilarious fashion. FARK announcements are the best. Also people thinking Superfriends is all serious business is silly because RIA is a signatory. On topic: Well if we're talking real treaties strictly speaking I'd say ODN and their ties to C&G are a bit odd to me still. One that would really, really take me by surprise and having me go what the <blank> would be TOP/Polaris.

Not surprising.

I voted smug. I like ORLY and OH SNAP though.

And so the cult marches.

And here comes bubblegum war 2.5

I love you for saying exactly what was on my mind.

The CoC is hoping RoK gets aggressive with SF so that Graemlins has to enter on their side. It's the only reason why I see them not declaring on RoK. I hope Graemlins aren't so dumb to fall for such false bait.

Yes it has Wentworth 20 some declarations by alliances for a war already started.

Funny weren't people praising NPO for using peace mode not that long ago?

Really? STA still has, for now, an individual treaty with NSO and now an MDoAP with NpO. Also NpO/NSO have dissolved Frostbite to now have an MDP together. I don't see how this is the 2nd CoC. That tinfoil hat is hilarious considering the history of the GGA. Edit: Forgot to mention the cancellation period.

I love how Graemlins are defining aggressors and defenders. I'm dead serious too.

But everyone knew that the odds heavily favored karma when NPO/TORN declared. Until that point it would be suicide to just charge in with just VE/OV had things progressed to the side of the Hegemony. My whole point is that war is planned based on the balance of treaties. Which honestly I think the balance of treaties right now is why TPF allies are sitting and waiting. They don't know anything else other than waiting for the cards to fall unto their favor. Which I understand why they're doing it; I just don't agree with it. IMO there's no gray area it's support or break the treaty because you care about your stats.

So you're saying that VE would go to war even if the odds are stacked against them in terms of treaty balance if you were wronged*? Would you not consider the people in your alliance and the likelihood of your alliance's survival in that situation? Sure you were wronged, but sometimes it really is best to live to fight another day. If you say yes to fighting against the wrong doers, I'm going to save myself some time here and ask the rhetorical question now, then why did it take so long for a war like Karma War to start? *No need to mention the Green Civil War.

Please read these so I mustn't repeat these words. IRON should have been there already.

It's completely relevant that TPF holds a treaty with IRON if it's a mutual defense. The precedent is if someone declares on your MDP partner, even if they ignited the war, you go in and aid them with battling their adversary, or cancel the treaty. Sadly, more often it's the latter rather than the former.

TPF shouldn't need to whine to their allies to support them. You should have the innate desire to help them because that treaty you signed should be built on something called a friendship.

IRON hasn't been neutral for a LONG time. Also supposedly sitting on the sidelines waiting to see if one alliance is going to enter the war on your side doesn't say much about your alliance and the treaties they hold. So if you want to say that neutral means you're neutral until convenient ok fine you're neutral.

You know things would be a lot more interesting if people just didn't talk and just did what they want to do. This goes for both sides. If you want war have at it. Call it a preemptive counter strike against TPF allies or giving military support to your allies. Just please have at it. This whole back and forth between sides is tiring and redundant. @ the large mess above this. Doitzel being a protectorate of VE doesn't mean that if VE goes with RoK that Doitzel has to fight too. Knowing enough about Doitzel tells me that he would declare war in support of VE. However, that doesn't mean Doitzel has a direct tie to RoK. Also did you miss the entire point of the creation of Zero Hour? Allegedly the point of the Alliance was to intentionally have the alliance fold into Athens to get intelligence. That is called spying it has been condoned and used as a CB for numerous wars. Also I'd like to say that spying is pointless unless there is a real threat of war otherwise most stuff said in the back rooms is all the same. It's general chatter of people talking and people saying oh yeah I don't like <x> alliance lets roll them. Does that mean it happens? No. We all don't like certain alliances and say we want to see them burn, but actually coming up with a plot to spy is different. I would say in a preventative measure that stomping out the conspiracy to commit spying, and specifically in this plot treason if ZH went through with the plot, is entirely more legit than most CBs used by any war including the Illuminati war.

Basically this on so many levels. If you're already obscure you can not become more obscure. Also who are you? Why should I care?

It's not really a calling out at all that SCM doing. If so he's doing a really poor job of it. No one is protecting NSO here because I doubt NSO really NEEDS anyone to protect them. On the other hand does CSN really need SCM to be making this topic to state that he, as an ally, that he would support them if NSO made good on their threat? SCMs only call out has no base as there is no hard evidence of what he claims to be true (which mind you is really defaming to the characters, OOC and IC, of any member of NSO). Does his "call out" have some merit? Possibly. If you're going to call someone out it's sure a lot more interesting when you just do what you're calling out. Want to know why? It makes a statement with a lot more impact.

Hey I'm not saying that NSO shouldn't do the same. But it's really asinine to veil a threat as an opinion then try to say you aren't making threats. If SCMazter wants to destroy NSO he should just do it. He just sounds opportunistic and will hop on the bandwagon when someone else gets on the lets war NSO and starts conducting the train.

You have absolutely nothing that proves it was NSO or a member of NSO that posted said messages. You only have your own assumptions and conclusions. Also if you want NSO destroyed do something about it. Don't just sit there. If you're going to sit there please just shut up and don't make empty threats because then this is just pointless.