Proko

You're right, raiding a 10 man alliance is wrong, whether it happens every day or not. Alliances that frequently make such raids, like Valhalla, have never been held in high esteem by the community for this reason. I highly doubt Athens only motivation here was to notify the community of the injustices suffered by small alliances.

Well, next time Athens gets their tech craving, they'll know where to go. Raiding 220 people is just the same as raiding 1, right?

Of course.

Which ones? How did you contact them?

I can't find your thread on the Coldfront forums. How did this go for you?

"Oh hey I'm done posting now that Penguin has proved beyond any reasonable doubt that I have been lying through my teeth in this thread" Seriously, explain why Penguin and the IRCops are wrong right now. I'll listen. Honest. When you re-roll, please leave us alone this time.

You are the spitting image of serious business. Cold, sterile, sort of cool but in an offputting way. You're better off drinking presbyterians with your Scrabble club on a Sunday afternoon than in a group as goofy as TOP.

I think it just became clear how that was possible.

It seems likely Stickmen are trying to goad Invicta into a war -and everyone in this thread knows it- and Stickmen with their allies have far more firepower on their side. At first, I read the OP and thought this was an idiotic thread that served no purpose except to further indicate that Stickmen and Invicta do not like each other. But as I am reading through it, it occurs to me that Stickmen might have just posted this incident themselves to show how Invicta doesn't have a spine. If Invicta's consideration was either post this themselves or allow you to do it first, they made the right call. Of course they're not going to launch a war that someone is trying to get them to launch, they just got beaten down in a conflict that wasn't theirs and I don't think they're ready to see the same alliances defeat them again. I'm not really a big fan of either side in this pointless conflict, but I think if you (or Stickmen. This time of year, it's difficult to figure out people's affiliations) continue to beat Invicta around you'll end up with more enemies than you can handle. I've never much liked Invicta, but I've also never much liked bullying either. Fakedit: That last comment seems odd as I'm dressed as noWedge

It's obviously a cultural phenomenon, the difference between the lolz alliances and the serious alliances, I guess. I'd begin my using the "I have piles of black friends" argument and say there are a lot of alliances that fit my definition of lulzy that I really like, namely MK and Fark. But what it comes down to, I think, is the nature of rhetoric within the alliance, and then how that image projects onto the forums. Ultimately, I think the fundamental difference between alliance like yours and an alliance like mine is that yours is far more rooted in internet culture than mine is. An alliance from Fark, SomethingAwful, LUELinks, or 4Chan is by nature going to be what the CN Community calls lulzy because they're the largest communities from which this culture emanates (I know I am generalizing these communities, and that they have a lot of detailed differences. In the end, however, it is their similarities that are important in this discussion, not their differences). An alliance obviously does not need direct affiliation with any of these or other humor based internet communities, but I think the connection firmly establishes the culture. Of course, based on some of the posts in this thread, I am not sure my definition of lulzy complies with Magum's. I consider Fark to be lulzy, even though their government, in all of my experiences with them, has been extremely mature and responsible, and if their names were stripped of them one might mistake them for STA or TOP leadership. Ideas from the internet though, memes, cultural phenomena, games, and pornography find their way onto the Fark boards far more readily than they do the Polar boards. It is this ease of fluidity between the community of the alliance and the internet humor communities that ultimately breeds the difference. I know of some Polars that are /b/tards, some goons, and one or two farkers, but most members of Polar don't have membership in one of these or a similar community (heh, ebaumsworld), whereas I would reckon most of your members do. I think there might also be a fundamental difference in intent, although I am unable to draw a model with universal applicability, as some alliances slip through the cracks in the end. Alliances like Polaris, STA, IRON...these are institutions that were created exclusively to play this game, and that utility is the most important in the culture. Success and honor are most important at least to us. I confess I do not know much about your alliance, but you seem like a group of people that know each other pretty well, and I do not mean to presume your intent, it seems more like you just kind of joined together to hang out and have fun while playing the game. This is a characteristic I definitely saw in the culture of \m/, that although it was not the initial reason for the alliance, it was why it attracted so many members that had so much in common, I think. Of course, MK slips in between these, as an alliance founded to succeed in this game, as they are obviously doing, and yet one with, if not a majority lulz culture, a serious lullz population. They (and probably others) break this model, so I would consider the ideas in the paragraph of only potential applicability. edit: lost a preposition somewhere in there

The posturing of the alliances on both sides of this drama is pretty unreasonable. Fight or don't, but I'd stop with the worthless threads like this (and the Endorsement thread).

Good luck outside of the bloc, UPN. You know Polar supports you, as always.

Exactly.

Haha, you're entirely misinterpreting what I said. I think it's cool you guys are challenging your status quo and doing what you think is right. More power to you. Posting this thread is a call-out though; it brings public attention to an issue you probably could have negotiated on your own, and because you seem like a group of charismatic guys, this thread is probably going to end up pretty fun. I don't agree or disagree with your acts, I just know what I would have done in your place, and if you're looking for an answer to your problem I don't think calling out the Purple Senate bloc was the most effective way to do it. I could always be wrong.

I was remarking on the antagonistic nature of this thread, not the act of voting for your own senator.

Michiel de Ruyter is fine: I don't really care how this develops, nor am I really affiliated with Purple whatsoever. This thread is an act in showmanship, and you're antagonizing the Purple Senate institutions for the public's entertainment. I'm not condemning your actions, just enjoying them.

Antagonizing Purple publicly probably isn't the fastest or most diplomatic way of getting what you want. But it certainly is the most entertaining.

This was a lot of fun to read, and the banner is most excellent. Congratulations on your achievement, Athens.

Congratulations

Aw, I was going to post those. The GWII is just awesome if you translate the Latin.

ho hum

I think Hizzy's posts in the build-up to the Second Patriotic War and particularly his posts counter-trolling Bill n Ted were classic. Here is one of my favorites. Sometimes, you say some really stupid things like this, and it makes me wonder if it's an act, or the real thing. But then you ask some really stupid things like this, and I know it's the real thing. My condolences.

Not to derail the thread, but I had seen the "O R'lyeh" pun before, I just liked the idea of a "O R'lyeh" owl, I suppose. I almost dressed as El Bruc last year. I can't actually remember what I ended up doing though.

It was a reasonably clever avatar, nonetheless.

As I remember it, the post-Second Patriotic War world was pretty boring for until about December 2008 when rumors of the Karma War began. The Karma War didn't really end until May or so (regardless of the date of Pacifican surrender, enthusiasm and interest waned probably in the latter half of may considerably), so perhaps things will pick up again in the next month or so. There are some pretty fun rumors circling regardless. I can think of one or two interesting things that have the potential to re-ignite the life in this community.