Matt Miller

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1340508017' post='2994002'] [center][img]http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1841/topflagnt2.png[/img] [b][size=5]Announcement from The Order of the Paradox[/size] [size=4]Declaration of War[/size][/b] Pursuant to Article IV, Subsection A of the Unholy Alliance, The Order of the Paradox declares war against Sparta. Signed, Joffrius Baratheon (AKA Centurius), Grandmaster MegArya Stark (AKA Megamind), Grand Chancellor Zac the Sage, Grand Hospitaller [img]http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll40/Crymson84/TOP-1.gif[/img] [/center] [/quote] Have fun waiting on their top tier guys!

[quote name='Samus' timestamp='1340460023' post='2993537'] Can we just get some tech and be done with this yo [/quote] I doubt this will end with reps being exchanged when the dust settles. [quote name='Pacifist Ninja' timestamp='1340396256' post='2992881'] I come here to the OWF today to apologize for my role in creating the insincere apology to IRON. Right now our two alliances are fighting a war that was started over misunderstanding and stupid mistakes that I directly contributed to and that that I am sincerely sorry for. Our hope, as an alliance, is that we can not only come to a peaceful resolution with IRON, but form a peace that does not set the precedent that this kind of behavior is acceptable. Not a single voting citizen of the LSF, and I say this quite literally, desires to further fight IRON, for we have no qualms with that respectable alliance. In fact, the only reason this war even started in the first place was because of the sheer idiocy myself and select few others in LSF have displayed and that IRON had no choice in responding to. So I hope that we can bury the hatchet, and move forward on a path that is just and right. Seeing as peace is such a desirable goal, and my personal actions are so clearly in the wrong, I write this apology not out of force, but freely and without the demand of IRON. Whatever your views on the matter, I humbly request you do not blame my comrades for the mistakes I and few others in our alliance have made. Everyone with sense can see what I did is wrong, my only hope is that I can be forgiven. Like Dag Hammarskjold once wisely spoke "forgiveness is the answer to the child's dream of a miracle by which what is broken is made whole again, what is soiled is made clean again." Lastly, I still do stand by my claim that the concept of Quantum Superposition is awesome . [/quote] Thank you.

[quote name='The Mongol-Swedes' timestamp='1340331798' post='2992346'] What exactly are those regimes? Also, our own Constitution guarantees that we will be around much longer than the various NoR/NoV AA re-rolls. The world will disappear into blackness long before the Elesufi disbands. [/quote] [quote name='The Mongol-Swedes' timestamp='1340339099' post='2992396'] Powindah will evade the salient issue, in order to fulfill an unsubstantiated sentiment of pride that is, well, lacking. The Elesufi will not surrender. Nordreich will have no peace. Only an unending war. Nordreich need only bow out from this now and avoid an unending struggle that can only end in their defeat. [/quote] Being that you are LSF's #1 nation, and were bill-locked within the first round of war, how exactly do you plan to contribute to this unending war of yours?

[quote name='Tick1' timestamp='1340377976' post='2992719'] It's funny, considering they are anarchists.. [/quote] Yes, anarchy must have rules otherwise it would be anarchy.

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1340295695' post='2991890'] No. It's just that the rest of your DoW isn't true, that's all. But admitting it would require honesty and saying you were wrong. [/quote] Not the way we see it. The apology is a non-starter given the fact that it was never intended to be anything of the sort. I don't care that you say we accepted it or that it was forced so what do we expect. It was, infact, not an apology as we see it. The fact that LSF "tried so hard to pay reps, but IRON did not answer" is a moot point since there was no attempt of any kind until after said apology was exposed. We see that as an after-the-fact "whoops they caught us, better get this sorted out" situation. You claim that none of our DoW is true, but I have just laid out how we see it. You can either accept that our view is different than yours for ridiculously obvious reasons (opposite sides of this war) or you can continue to falsely claim we are liars. Your choice is of no concern to me. Edit: Spelling

[quote name='smurthwaite' timestamp='1340293778' post='2991865'] Are solid CBs so rare that we don't recognize them when we see them? *We = the whole of the CN community. [/quote] No, it is just that those opposed to this DoW are nitpicking whatever they can as a way to retain "control" of something and besmirch IRON. Some don't even care that war was declared, it is just that IRON has to be in the wrong about something here so we should have used only one specific incident (the @#$% IRON IN THE @#$) rather than the full scope of the situation. That makes us liars or bullies or some such. The point is we perceived that we were wronged by several things and now IRON and LSF are at war. Edit: Switched Now to No

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1340255177' post='2991427'] You were karkanister? If so.... I personally offered you advice on several occassions. You kept trying to keep tanks when you were not at war, which is a waste of money. I tried to get you to get rid of the tanks. You never did. I tried to get you to set your government position to not support nukes. Small nations can't get nukes anyway, and by having the correct choice, your tax collections would have been a little bit higher. I tried to convince you to sell tech. That's how most small nations make money. You refused to sell tech. I tried to get you to change your improvements. Once again, you ignored my advice. On multiple occasions you posted complaints about how you weren't making enough money, you weren't doing well, you weren't happy. I tried to help every time. You never followed the advice. I'm quite tempted to re-post those threads here, as I think they would amuse a number of people. [/quote] It's not any use, this guy asked for help many times and was given simple, explicit things to do with his nation to grow quickly each and every single time he asked. He simply cannot grasp simple concepts which is a sad thing for him I suppose.

[quote name='Pingu' timestamp='1340232246' post='2990681'] You, sir, are a dangerous radical and heretic for espousing such an outrageous notion. Do you know where you are? For shame! [/quote] I thought about you the other day... but not in a creepy way. The Queen of Bubbler Nation may have had a birthday celebration where she was served Orange cake made by her mother and I thought of this little realm of ours.

[quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1340223943' post='2990461'] Because "Stop copying me!" is a mature and reasonable reason to go to war. [/quote] You are being a bit narrow there. There are many things that LSF did to incite this and "copying" us to attempt to get our ally to attack another alliance is certainly one example. There are quite a few others that have been rehashed at length in our DoW so I'll leave them alone here.

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1340228631' post='2990567'] At this point, just come out and say it: you wanted to DoW on something. [/quote] Only that's not the case. The sum total of the events added up like I stated already.

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1340226788' post='2990510'] So you ignored it on purpose because we made fun of you in the apology you forced us to give you at gunpoint, and you wanted blood. Finally, some honesty. It didn't matter what we had done or not had done, what mattered was that you didn't like our apology and were gonna stick it to us because we hurt your ego. Now we can finally stop pretending that you actually think or thought we were being dishonest or reneging on our agreement, and instead focus on how pathetic the largest alliance on Bob is because a sub-1m NS alliance wouldn't bend over backwards to them without giving them some backtalk with it. Tell me: how does the immense power feel? [/quote] I get what you are trying to do here, but it seems to fall flat. Opti was just tying to kid and was totally going to own up, only he didn't. LSF was going to knock it off only you didn't. LSF was going to apologize, only we all know you didn't. LSF was going to pay reps only you didn't try until after so much other nonsense. You are clinging with all your might onto the non-stated premise that once Sabcat pokes around for aid targets it was all going to be rosey and done with. However, at what point does the nonsense end? Had we been further jerked around, another instance would have popped up as the "we were complying!" moment. Then you would have just latched on to that as the reason to shout bully at IRON. I'm not buying what you are selling and perhaps we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1340224953' post='2990486'] I'm still waiting for a member of your government to tell me why you ignored our attempt at asking you who to send the tech to. [/quote] It seems as though you already knew 100 tech to MCRABT on Monday: [quote][20:09] <&Optimistic[LSF]> they demanded 100 tech for MCRABT and GLOF [/quote] As for GLoF's tech, that is between you and them. Did you try to contact them? On the topic of contact to deliver tech, this attempt to contact us occurred after the @#$% IRON IN THE @#$ message that you sent our way loud and clear was discovered. At that point, we had enough of your collective shens. [quote][15:54] <Unkajo[NG]> http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=111638&st=0&p=2989297&#entry2989297 [15:55] <Unkajo[NG]> did you guys get the secret message? 02[15:55] * Vixen (amnesa@coldfront-HOSTMASK REMOVED) Quit (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )) [15:56] <@Samus> no? [15:56] <Unkajo[NG]> It says @#$% ION [15:56] <Unkajo[NG]> IRON* [15:56] <Unkajo[NG]> First letter of every sentence [15:57] <Unkajo[NG]> It actually says @#$% IRON in the @#$ [16:16] <Sabcat> You around at the moment? I want to talk tech delivery[/quote] I understand folks trying to latch on to single incidents such as Opti "joking," the apology being a "slight jab," and then you trying to contact us to deliver tech after being found out, but what we have here is a pattern of behavior that adds up to an overt "F You" to IRON. You can try to downplay each individual stop along this train ride, but the pattern is there nonetheless.

[quote name='jraenar' timestamp='1340224487' post='2990475'] You seem to be missing that Opti never actually told the "prank" targets that it was a "prank". Until well after it was clear that he got caught red-handed. Combined with the other attempts by LSF members to incite war, this looks like just an excuse to justify an incredibly stupid move. Perhaps he meant to tell them after convincing GLoF to declare war under false pretenses. [/quote] This is a point clearly missed by most folks in here. Just because he told some people he was going to tell GLoF is was a "joke" the fact is he didn't actually do that. So the whole premise of this being a joke just evaporates into a CYA sort of thing in my eyes.

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1340219015' post='2990374'] Interesting how you didn't post the evidence I sent Matt Miller last night. [spoiler] Just a note, LSF allows multiple non-LSF friends and allies in their private channel, so I am redacting any non-LSF IRC nicks (looks like there was only one other talking), save for my own and Bob from Dark Templar who entered the channel during this all (this mostly serves to prove he didn't state it was a joke after getting caught). [/spoiler] Of course, posting this would be detrimental to this whole "- Sanctioning the false impression of an IRON government official with intent to deceive an IRON ally and in doing so attempting to cause an unwarranted attack on an innocent third party" thing. No matter that the sanctioning of it is patently false. [/quote] I noticed that less than an hour ago as I'm sure the timestamp of our convo will show. Not that it really matters as I explained to you as LSF has shown a pattern of behavior with the hidden message in their "apology" as the exclamation point. Besides I still don't buy it was a joke. He was fishing for trouble with our allies, you and I just don't see it the same way.

[quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1340214343' post='2990254'] LSF took a jab at IRON in an apology they were forced to give. Shock and horror. [/quote] I didn't say I was shocked or horrified. That doesn't make what they did okay.

[quote name='Ayatollah Bromeini' timestamp='1340214139' post='2990245'] Was it dumb to impersonate a gov member of another alliance to try and incite a war? Absolutely. Does that entail 200 tech, expulsion (this member had been expelled btw, just not demasked), and an apology? And because the apology was half assed and the reps were late, this now blows up. Real fair. [/quote] You did actually read the "apology" right? You read that it says @$#% IRON IN THE @#$ as well as Sabcat in this thread admitting that they don't care about going out this way right? There is no way they are not deserving of this.

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1340212646' post='2990181'] As long as you understand, that if this ends up with me fighting IRON, while I support what you did, I will still handle my business. Good luck my friend. [/quote] I understand fully and wish you luck as well.

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1340212201' post='2990157'] What else can you do... I cant even fault this one bit. [/quote] Thank you, Rush. Honestly, I am surprised that LSF continued to agitate the situation when it could have so easily been avoided entirely.

[quote name='Unkajo' timestamp='1340204437' post='2990041'] First letter of every sentence. [/quote] Yeah, the "@$!@ IRON IN THE #!$" thing in the OP is surely original and cute, but what do you expect from a bunch of petulant children playing at being "anarchists?" ***Edited to more appropriately comply with word filter rules.

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1340164949' post='2989656'] I promise you beyond a doubt that it was joke. You got the faux outrage part right though. @Hal, so wouldn't that mean LSF are the classy ones or the ones showing restraint? I mean, they accepted these terms in spite of being a bit unfair not because it would hurt them (they are already at war with NoR, let's be honest, IRON couldn't do much to them if they tried), but because they knew it would put their own allies in a bad spot. [/quote] How could you possibly know it was a joke? Promise beyond a doubt, give me a break... Certain parts of LSF are acting with absolutely no regard for their allies on multiple occasions over the last weeks. Their actions are risking putting their allies in a bad spot. It's not like NoR provoked them into this rogue business out of the blue. It is also not like IRON sought them out and asked them if they could have a member impersonate our President on multiple occasions spewing filth and then asking our allies to declare war. Even if this was a joke (and I certainly don't believe it was), it shows a complete lack of awareness and (as I said) regard for their allies.

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1340163380' post='2989632'] So expulsion of a member plus reps is a good set of terms for a joke [/quote] Several people have tossed around that this was a "joke" or "playful." However, the truth is that he tried to get an ally of ours to declare on NoR. It wasn't a joke, he was not playing around, and just because he says so after being caught in the act does not make it true. We do not take kindly to this sort of thing and rather than just declaring on them, we offered an alternative. Some folks need to put their faux outrage away; he is culpable and deserving of what LSF has agreed to concerning his future.

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1340146859' post='2989297'] An Apology from the Libertarian Socialist Federation First and foremost, it is important to get out of the way that the LSF are truly sorry for our actions towards IRON as of late. Understandbly, MCRABT and others in his alliance got quite mad at us when Optimistic got high and impersonated him on IRC as a joke, and then later when Spacemonkey, myself, and the rest of us made fun of him when he went into #LSF because we thought he was being stupid. Consequently, it is only proper that we offer our deepest apologies for offending the sensibilities of IRON. Keen on further fixing the relationship, the LSF have agreed with all of IRON's demands, which include expulsion of Optimistic and payment of token reps of 200 tech. I personally feel that that was way too much, but, it just goes to show how willing LSF are to atone for our mistakes that we have agreed to all of IRON's demands under the threat of filling the 10 slots or so we have left that haven't been filled by NoR. Right now, it is important for the LSF to maintain good public relations during these turbulant times for our alliance. On this occasion, I would like to take the opportunity to invite IRON and any other alliance to come and chill with us on IRC and get to know us. Not to be undone by NG's awesome Schrodinger's box announcement, our token physicist comrade, Pacifist Ninja, has decided to explain Quantum superposition to the rest of the community. In my first introductory quantum mechanics class I learned something that gave me a day long sense of euphoria. Nearly 100 years ago there was this issue: electrons in an atom behaving the way normal, "classical" particles do, should spiral and fall to the center of the atom. This troubling issue was solved if you "quantized" the "energy levels" of electrons, or in layman's terms, if electrons could only be in certain positions within the atom and never in between like a planet revolving around it's star. However, there was no theoretical reason for this to occur, until one brilliant man, Louis deBroglie posed a theory for his thesis. Essentially, the theory states that if you look at electrons not as particles, but as waves, we can see that the result is this "quantization of energy" levels, or orbitals. A way to visualize this is to think of a lake in which you drop two pebbles, and watch how the ripples form in the lake. See how at certain points there are peaks both upward and downward? Such a simple concept leads us directly to our desired orbitals: with the correct distribution of waves, they peak upward where the orbital is, and peak downward every where else. [/quote] Thank you, Sabcat and LSF.

[quote name='The Mongol-Swedes' timestamp='1339882909' post='2985972'] Sure beats pixel-hoarding. Every single time. [/quote] This is directed at who exactly?

[quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1339975223' post='2986714'] Someone grab his warchest data. [/quote] I'm sure you would find just another nearly bankrupt Greek government.

[quote name='bros2' timestamp='1339480353' post='2981332'] Backwards Elevator? [/quote] Holy crap.