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[quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1330013652' post='2926702'] This is a line that confuses me. How are we violating an alliance's sovereignty? Is ghosting a violation of sovereignty now, on par with sending viceroys to run a defeated alliance? Or is it publicly disagreeing with UE's new policy? Because I wasnt aware that debating opposite sides of an issue and making policies clear was a violation of sovereignty, that's called politics. [/quote] When ghosting someone, you are using their abilities/power to your own advantage. It would be akin to me coming onto IRC as Archon. You are not this dense Seerow The fact is plain and simple, a member of your government signed off on ghosting other AA's.

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1330013448' post='2926698'] Public log dumping, really? [/quote] People should be shown for what they really are.

Good job MK

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1330011136' post='2926679'] This whole "you guys would suck if you didn't have allies" thing is getting really old. What's your point? Everyone would suck without allies. Can you name anyone that would be able to withstand a war by themselves and win? The entire reason Doomhouse exists is so we don't have to run things alone. You don't fight GOONs, you fight Doomhouse. It's how it works in this world, dude. If anything, we overplay it just to piss people off. Because we can. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL6.jpg[/img] [/quote] Guess what Legion can do, GOONS cannot.

[quote name='mattski133' timestamp='1330011070' post='2926678'] Hey we're writing the history here, loser. [/quote] ahaha, I actually enjoyed this answer. Kudos to you!

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1330007507' post='2926627'] What exactly happened at Roguefest that matters here? Unless you mean to agree with our fearsome might that time we defeated a zillion rogues at once. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerishehL6.jpg[/img] [/quote] After bringing in how many of your allies? The point I'm making is I don't believe GOONS has ever faced anyone alone, even when it could of been considered. Also you "defeated" those alliances after receiving billions in aid to keep fighting. If anyone is gloating about it, it should be Umbrella.

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1330009681' post='2926656'] What? Taking money for tech deals and not paying the tech is [i][b]literally[/b][/i] damaging others while they profit. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL11.jpg[/img] [/quote] Funny that, considering MK seems to be going out of their way to [b][i]damage[/i][/b] their nations.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1330009069' post='2926651'] I'm not blowing anything out of proportion, like I said I'm merely offering a critique on UE's new policy. If you are referring to our public service announcement it is simply a clarification of our policy regarding tech deals. If UE felt it necessary to clarify their policy then we too felt it necessary so to avoid any unpleasant situations that might arise from a misunderstanding. [/quote] Unpleasent situations like...let's say MK nations ghosting other AA's including mine. Would your policy came into force then?

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1330008566' post='2926645'] That's likely down to the fact we don't really like UE, we don't do all that many(if any) tech deals with UE anyway so this doesn't really affect us. And before you ask "So why bother posting?" I will pre-emptively respond with "Because it's fun" [/quote] Actually it was going to be So you admit to blowing this out of proportions based on disliking them?

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1330008138' post='2926639'] Yes, as long as the policy is stupid. Weren't we all just here a week ago arguing about how NG isn't following the norm in their latest tech raid? Except all the sides were reversed? [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L5.jpg[/img] [/quote] Then following your line of thought and GOONS actions, GOONS will be signing a treaty with UE? Also NG's policy is one that damages others while they profit, UE's does not follow that line of thought.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1330007985' post='2926637'] Because you clearly misunderstood my position and accused me of making veiled threats so I felt it necessary to correct you. Pretty straight forward really, that and I like arguing in circles. [/quote] Apologises, when talking of veiled threats it's from a alliance closely linked to yours but none of from Umbrella. Though the !@#$%*ing and moaning does seem to come from a large number of members of Umbrella and a few others.

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1330007741' post='2926633'] Plenty of alliances already do that (GOONs included). But they do it by not accepting those deals. Not by accepting the money and then not paying the tech. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L3.jpg[/img] [/quote] So by not going by the norm, they should get belittled? Also if you sign a "contract" as you people seem to like to call it without reading the fine print, who is usually the person to receive the consequence?

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1330007266' post='2926619'] I didn't say I was looking out for them simply because I don't actually like them enough to want to look out for them. I'm simply offering a critique on a policy which they've adopted and made public and while I agree they can set whatever internal policies they want this is a public service announcement and you can be damn sure people are going to comment on it. If you don't like it, go away [/quote] People can comment on it, but when people already know the position that you will take, why keep referring to it like it will make a difference?

[quote name='Tick1' timestamp='1330007213' post='2926618'] You are silly if you think informing someone I am mad is telling them what to do. [/quote] When you tell someone that your mad about something, it's usually to infer that you want it to change to make you happy. When people don't care, they don't say anything rather then say something. Like the saying, it's not what you say....but how you say it

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1330004623' post='2926570'] I'm not !@#$%*ing, or moaning, or crying for that matter. [/quote] Also the drop lip from MK when we told them to get their nations off our AA.

Seems everyone is forgetting Roguefest.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1330004623' post='2926570'] I'm not !@#$%*ing, or moaning, or crying for that matter. I'm just debating the merits of this policy which I and many others believe to be rather foolish, unnecessary and something that will create more hassle than it's worth for UE in the long run. [/quote] Well considering the amount of attention this is receiving and masked threats. I came to to the already mentioned conclusion. Masking it behind the idea of "looking out" for UE in the long run is nothing more then a joke. UE can set whatever internal policy it likes, if you like it or not. [quote name='Tick1' timestamp='1330004720' post='2926571'] Hmm? Explain? What did I tell them to do? [/quote] Telling a alliance that your mad at them for not using their slots towards other alliances benefits, is telling them what to do. [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1330005322' post='2926583'] Having a tech deal go awry due to individual incompetence is totally different than gov-sanctioned permission to just take money and not pay it back. [/quote] You know what the easiest and most simple thing to do is? I'll give you a hint.....don't deal with them then. [quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1330005448' post='2926588'] Believe it or not we were small once upon a time. [/quote] The statement still stands.

[quote name='Tick1' timestamp='1330004225' post='2926565'] I am mad that an alliance with less than thirty percent of active aid slots having concerns with foreign alliances attempting tech deals with nation under their alliance affiliation. Could be so much more productive [/quote] I find it funny that you think you can tell people what to do with their nations.

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1330004049' post='2926561'] "Refunding" a tech deal is a huge joke, [b]and it's really sad[/b] if you don't realize that. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L6.jpg[/img] [/quote] A lot of the posting in this thread is of that calibre aswell. 1. If people cannot read a simple policy, it's not the fault of the people who enforce it. 2. If people are sending out random tech deals, again you have to expect it will not go smoothly. 3. Shouldn't DH be happy that they can keep tech dealing within the bloc?

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1330003798' post='2926558'] A fine strategy! If you don't like something that someone does, take your ball and go home. [/quote] More productive then sitting around !@#$%*ing and moaning. Good luck UE, the tears this thread has caused has made my day, considering how petty the issue is over.

[quote name='elborrador' timestamp='1329535610' post='2922976'] How on earth do you cowards have the audacity to take reps from a [b]war you started for no valid reason?[/b] Reminds me how pathetic an alliance top and tso are.... Congrats on peace regardless Polaris! [/quote] Have you been under a rock for the last couple years?

Hmm seems I am the only one not to know of him.

[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1329784238' post='2924858'] This is ridiculous, and you know it. Roq on one hand says he has complete support from the gov of Sparta. Then he threatens NPO, TLR, and NG while serving as Sparta MoD and insisting he has Sparta gov support. The CB comes as a result of this. Nobody MADE him stray off the MK issue, he did it on his own. When an alliance MoD publicly threatens 3 alliances not named MK in a thread aimed to make MK look bad, then maybe Bob, just MAYBE... Roq changed the subject himself. [/quote] The amount of threats I have seen throughout the years, would of seen nothing left of CN. If the situation was reversed (MK threatening Sparta and co), I believe you wouldn't care one bit.

[quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1329784699' post='2924859'] There's also no spy op in CN that lets me pose as a new member in an enemy alliance, gain membership masks, and feed information back to my real alliance. I'm pretty sure that's still considered part of the game. [/quote] Actually it's not part of the game, it's a service provided at someone's expense about the game.

[quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1329783846' post='2924856'] As far as I am aware, there is no available spy op in CN that gives me access to the UPN database. [/quote] Got a good hearty laugh from me!