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Perhaps I misread this as a threat towards Sparta...could you elaborate the meaning of your post and to whom it's pointed towards?

Again, why can't the NPO do this for themselves? Why can't they simply ASK for help? They're willing to go to war over a minor issue with what is probably a ghost Athens never picked up (until there is evidence otherwise I shall go with Athen's official response). Yet they're not willing to check their own war screens and ask for help in dealing with ghosts on their AA attacking others? That is what I believe is hypocritical. There's a quote I really love that I believe fits this situation: If the NPO isn't willing to help themselves by ASKING for help then why should those who do not help be bashed for not assisting?

I'm judging your post to be sarcastic when you say it's tedious to check war screens. If I'm correct, then what is stopping NPO from doing so and then posting something? Again I keep coming full circle how the NPO can make thread after thread of complaints/thinly disguised threats. I've not once seen the NPO ask the community or even some of those they surrendered to for assistance. I push more for the community in this case as I'm not exactly privy to all the back channel stuff. In short: Where's the post going off about how there are so many ghosts on your AA attacking innocent people?

Please, do not twist my words. I do not condone the practice, but I am sure there are a lot of smaller, less ethical alliances willing to DoW over something that stupid. In fact I know there've been many in the past. Although I question how you deem it appropriate to continue bashing alliances. Considering the situation yours is in, you'd think you'd be less open to bashing alliances you disagree with and more open to resolving your conflicts in a respectful manner.

Another thought occurs to me that perhaps some of those who've "tech raided" you (I don't mean Athens) are members who've grown tired of your bashing of their alliance. I know I've been in #NSA and have heard prominent NPOers openly bash Sparta. I do not advocate attacks on a defeated, demilitarized alliance (and would consider that cowardly), but one cannot help but think if your members were as humble as you've continually claimed to be you would be pitied a lot more. That said, I know I would personally be open to assisting the NPO from Tech Raiders and Ghosts. I'm more than willing to bet that Sparta would at least entertain the idea...all it would take is for you to be open to the idea of receiving assistance and asking for it. That said I'm not a member of Spartan gov't, but if asked I would gladly take it up with our gov't and see what they'd say.

I'm not saying G15's not helping you is true or untrue. However I've never seen NPO posting that G15 isn't protecting you, instead you post that Athens is openly allowing members to engage in war with NPO and thus it's OK for you to create CBs for anyone to use. Put short, why have you not asked for help or posted a public plea for assistance in dealing with ghosts? You're certainly vocal about any other issues that you've had since the Karma War ended (I mean good and bad issues btw). Also, you still have friends...have you not asked them to assist you? None of these ghosts were declared on by any of your friends...so I'll assume you have not.

No it wasn't. One of those nations is 122 days old. However, I'll bite and ask you this: Why not ask for help? I certainly have never seen a post from the NPO asking for assistance with ghosts. If there was an issue with those whom you owe terms to not protecting you then you would think you'd have phrased it something like "we are not getting help defending our AA." While I am by no means a representative of Karma, I would think no one would blame you from attacking ghosts who are harassing other nations. In fact I would think that would play out to NPO's favor in terms of PR. Instead you just accuse Athens and send up "coupons" on it being ok to declare war on them (the "valid CB" thing). I thought you were trying to change the reputation of your alliance from being hypocritical to an honorable and decent alliance. P.S. I attack no single Pacifican here, just the postings. *EDIT* But if you're a vampire nothing can make you sick on account of already being dead. Which begs to question since zombies do not attack the living dead (or plain dead) for that matter, would a vampire be targeted?

Forgive this, but however: 1) If Athens says he's a ghost what proof do you have that he is not. No alliance is perfect in removing all ghosts and I'm sure the Karma Wars (and other misc global issues) have taken away from 100% focus on internal affairs. Then again, maybe you're right, however that leads me into #2 2) I checked your nation. I saw no expired wars (http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?search=51904&Extended=1 -> the assumption that this is in fact your nation and I didn't make a mistake and pull up the wrong one). Could you explain this? 3) If you're a vampire can a zombie bite affect you? Also, just a quick check on some wars coming from NPO to other alliances/non-affiliates http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=368451 > declared on 3 NONEs with the DoW being "A test of strength" and he's a 53 day old member http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=356824 > declared on a WTF and a M*A*S*H nation w/ DoW being "General Dispute" and he's a 122 day old member. I am not (at this point) calling you out to be a liar, I just tire of rhetoric and wish to see something more substantial. What you've accused Athens of you are committing (as an alliance). Does that mean that same coupon applies to you? Just a thought... *Quick Edit* This post took a while to write up. If someone else has pointed out these points, my bad.

This was simply amazing. o/ OSA

Assuming that you were meaning me and not just generalizing I feel a need to inform you that I'm not in TSO. Sorry.

So how can you accuse of someone of not having a quality that you, yourself don't possess?

Why yes, she's a cowardly, lying dragon home.

I'll be public and honest about this. Back when you started being on IRC more and more I convinced many others to give you a shot in military command. As DMoD I thought it best to give everyone who wanted a shot. You took that as a jumping point to moving upwards in the alliance (and for that I apologize to the MCXA). You had friends on both sides of MCXA and you turned and stabbed them all in the back. You are a lair, a coward, and if you come back you'll get what you deserve, because going rouge and getting destroyed before you quit is hardly punishment befitting your crimes. Glow and burn.

This needs to be labeled the best thread ever!

LOL, I've been saying the same thing to you since you admitted to spying. Where's your declaration on me? Or are you as cowardly as you purport the TSO to be? Also the MCXA is still alive and well and I personally don't think leaving an alliance you no longer like is "abandoning" it. No one should be forced to stay in an alliance with policies and direction that person doesn't feel in track with. I hope you burn and pray you have all the courage you claim the TSO doesn't have to attack me.

Hurricane's convo is insignificant. He told you he wasn't gov't and thus wasn't privledged to the information you were seeking. You are the person who also ended the conversation with Sakura. Also, out of sheer curiosity how does an admitted spy have ethics regarding logs in general?

Wait...we began to? Son, we've been doing that since before we tried to "rise to power."

We sure showed him didn't we? :lol1: :lol1:

You deserve your fate. Watch your precious alliance crumble before the might that is the Sith.

No mercy will come from me. All of your nations shall burn.

That's FOKing ridiculous

Wait...protectorate? Aww they lied and said it was a DoW. Waste of a log in JK o/ TOP

Forgive me, but outside of us just being kind, how are we responsible for fixing YOUR forums? We didn't break them or take them down.

IRON has some cute script kiddies We should all declare war on script kiddies.

This are way why me love Mary, **edited for spelling