Owney OSullivan

You guys took on some TPC targets I was eyeballing. No points from Owney! Good luck though, killing flag-chasers is always fun.

For wired: Randy KJ of Final was literally the [i]only[/i] TPC target in my range that didn't already have full defensive slots when I declared on him. I actually did a few pretty big up-declares this war, fighting people nearly 2x my NS. Final peaked at nearly 24k when I was under 13k, lolypoz peaked at 21k, so I don't wanna hear this down-declare crap from you. Oh, and also Randy KJ is not AFK, he nuked an OP nation earlier today. Defend nation: Octaviarii Attack nation: Final [b]11/20/2011 6:38:57 AM[/b] Direct Hit But I guess you didn't consider any of that. Don't worry bud, I'm keeping my eyes peeled for open slots.

[quote name='dogbite' timestamp='1321767032' post='2847338'] Not sure i would call op a top aa when they drag a war out and help to kill the game for the noobs. Is wars like this that kill te. Get past you ego,s and your pride and end this war. However i have 3 open slots if you got any real fight left. [/quote] So, by being at war with TPC we are killing the game for "noobs"? Is TPC a bunch of "noobs" then in your opinion? I consider TPC to be one of the top AA's so I'm not really sure what you're getting at with that comment. Good luck with your flag run, then.

No peace for TPC until they stop turtling and actually use their WC's to fight IMO. I've personally fought a handful of people who had plenty of money and didn't fight back, and I've heard similar reports from a lot of OP members. You're at war, what else do you need your tens of millions of dollars for hmm? Are you guys vicious cobras or harmless turtles? I expected better from TPC because I have fought you many times and you always actually FOUGHT, and done it well. And the way I heard it, TPC was offering peace to us, almost as if it was a gift or they were doing us a favor. So if there was any hint of "arrogance" in any of the peace talks, y'all shouldn't be surprised that we chose to continue fighting.(Especially since we wouldn't have too many options for the rest of the round as Hal already said) But hey, I'm not gov and I'm not in sooper seekrit backroom IRC channels, so I don't know exactly what was said or whom it was said to. But I'd find it hard to believe that TPC wanted to negotiate peace and we immediately said F off and rejected it, OP is not an unreasonable alliance. That would be a slap to the face, and that's not really how we do things. (Slapping nations in the face however is a whole different story )

Oh now he didn't! :0

Blah blah blah let's drop nukes and blow stuff up! First one to anarchy an entire opposing alliance gets a special prize! Only Aditya and anisho212 to go on the TPC side. 34/36, not too shabby. 29/35 for OP and 12/20 for Syn. <3 nukes Thanks for the fun fight so far, gentlemen.

Let the nuke fest begin!

What? Just continuing my tradition of giving confusion a warm welcome.

Go away.

Wait, I thought OP were the only ones that could be "TE police". Good show on evening the scales, Warriors. GLoF doesn't even have any nukes.

[quote name='ALT3RNAT1V3' timestamp='1319229589' post='2830100'] Two awful years Disband. [/quote] I think you meant to say 1 awful year. Congrats, tLR!

Still disappointed to see this, even though our treaty was never activated and is just not practical anymore. For what it's worth, I would have fought to ZI to defend R&R and I'm sure I'm not the only one among the IRON ranks to feel that way. Best of luck to you guys. o7 R&R

[quote name='freedomfighter' timestamp='1319062164' post='2828821'] I suppose my alliance mates understand that RL is more important than CN and ethics more important than "alliance honor" - at least for me. Different value systems, I suppose. [/quote] But your RL obligation(i.e. your vacation) is over, so if this war was still ongoing you'd let your alliance mates suffer while not participating in the war? Don't you think they would expect you to attack your opponents once you returned to activity(provided we PM'd you and did not attack you, and were capable of declaring on targets)? If not, that's certainly not an alliance I'd like to be a part of. Edit: Don't take this as a personal attack or anything freedomfighter, I just find it to be a curious situation and I doubt if we gave you a free pass you'd just be a non-combatant for the remainder of the war. That would be pretty much be infra hugging. TE is for wars and it's hard to imagine someone not fighting for their alliance if they are able to, and also it's hard to imagine the alliance letting someone get away with that. [quote name='Overlord Wes' timestamp='1319075610' post='2828941'] I believe he meant unknowingly blitzed each other. That situation doesn't really count. [/quote] Aye, this is what I meant. I think it'd be hilarious if it ever happened.

[quote name='freedomfighter' timestamp='1319048052' post='2828703'] hey guys, first of all thanks for posting my TE name plus WC on public forums from a strategic point of view I understand that you took me out (effectively, congrats^^), but - believe it or not - I have some kind of ethics as well: If you would have spared me and would have written a PM not to attack you, I would have not attacked you, simple as it is. But if battle ethics are that down in TE that no one can be trusted - this was the right move. Anyways, it is kind of frustrating anyhow^^ well, we move on, life is more than TE ^^ PS: My holiday was great anyways [/quote] So if we PM'd you and asked you politely not to attack us in our alliance war, you wouldn't have? I wonder what your gov and fellow alliance members would think about you sitting out a war because the opposition asked you not to engage. You're talking about war ethics, but you'd gladly let your alliance mates burn while you go untouched and not participate? Something seems off with that. What if you were ordered to attack targets?

SoADarthCyfe6, just know that Freedom2 would have been hit regardless if he was inactive or not. He happened to be inactive and probably will have his back-collect ruined when he returns, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. Can't help it if it benefits us, GDA/Syn had an upper-tier advantage over us going into this war, so a 12k nation would have been a priority either way. Would any alliance at war back off of a 12k NS & 11 day inactive nation simply because he was away when their ANS was about 7k+? I think not, so I'm not sure why this discussion is even taking place. It's a strategically smart move, would you like us to purposely play strategically stupid from now on to appease everyone?

[quote]Well, this was a discussion last round and a few rounds ago. GDA is a training AA for its newer members in SE. Just because they have never warred, doesn't mean they have large warchests. WAPA made that critical mistake a few rounds ago. This was the reason why we chose not to attack them because it would give us an unfair advantage. Also, I can't speak for Sippy's growth, but I can give a pretty fair assessment on the rest of their AA. [/quote] Well, if GDA is a training alliance, why haven't they fought? It seems to me if they want to train their nations to fight, they should probably get into a war, right? 44 days of no training? Maybe we helped them out a bit, because after all there's no better training than being thrust into a war and learning how the war system works IMO. That's how I learned to fight in SE. Just my 2 cents. No disrespect to GDA as I have nothing against them, but this is why you guys are here, right? It's what TE is all about! Also, to respond to the other conversation, hitting someone that's 11 days inactive is actually a strategically smart move in a war. Especially if he/she is a large nation. And, I'm not sure I'd ever post that I'm inactive in my bio if I happened to be without computer access for a while, that just doesn't seem smart, at all.

I can't help but laugh when matt and I were assigned a target a fair amount bigger than us(sippyjuice, who before the blitz was over 9k compared to mine and matt's roughly 7k) and the TPC guy who attacked is now sitting at 16+k. Someone was saying something about TPC down-declaring? Seems like a prime example of how both alliances handle business, right there. Also sippy, you seem to be frustrated by this war after reading your post, but perhaps if your alliance fought a war or two this round this wouldn't have happened. Just saying. You really should have all had good WC's too, since you had 44 days of pure growth..

Well, hopefully this can be sorted out in a timely fashion. And I remember that, Devil Dog. It's a rare occasion when alliances blitz the same targets, what I'd like to see is 2 alliances blitz each other the same night, has that ever happened to anyone's knowledge? That'd be epic.

What I'm wondering is how my GDA opponents have terrible WC's after 44 days of uninterrupted building and saving...no wars for GDA yet right? What exactly do you guys spend your money on? [quote]No DoW posted yet, as I'm sure they're going to try to work something out. TPC declared on both of them and Catharsis.[/quote] Man, what are the chances?

TPC declared on Syn or GDA or both? I don't see a DoW.

[quote name='bcortell' timestamp='1318567082' post='2824623'] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=99589 [/quote] Yeah, was gonna mention this. Weren't you guys about 45 mins out of war? And PS/OP still held it down.

Good luck, guys!

Woooo war! Escalate this please! Get you some, NG.

Looks like you guys spied away a fair amount of nukes, good job! Don't worry, I bought my MP today and will be ready to fling some back at my opponent(s). Let's have some good, clean fun gents. o/ war!

What a horrible tragedy, TE will never recover! Seeya!