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I'm not even sure what your trying to argue in favor of.

I know. I've pointed that out to you, and the reason why you're unable to comprehend my point of view. Your constant use of the word 'snitch' demonstrates a clear lack of intellect on your part. Come back and talk to me after you've taken on adulthood.

I know. I've pointed that out to you, and the reason why you're unable to comprehend my point of view. Your constant use of the word 'snitch' demonstrates a clear lack of intellect on your part. Come back and talk to me after you've taken on adulthood.

So you think everyone should be spying on each other and notifying authorites whenever anyone steps out of line and don't follow all the rules and regulations, I think I understand your point of view now. You favor a police state where nobody can trust each other, you consider those who would turn in their friends to please the state to be doing a noble deed. A twisted way of looking at things you have there, maybe when you reach adulthood your views will change after you've experienced life more.

So you think everyone should be spying on each other and notifying authorites whenever anyone steps out of line and don't follow all the rules and regulations, I think I understand your point of view now. You favor a police state where nobody can trust each other, you consider those who would turn in their friends to please the state to be doing a noble deed. A twisted way of looking at things you have there, maybe when you reach adulthood your views will change after you've experienced life more.

Amazing how you're willing to put words in my mouth to make your arguments. It's also very clever to insult my age, as if you had any concept of how old I am. To any mature individual that happens upon this conversation, it'll be obvious to them which one of us is acting more juvenile.

Amazing how you're willing to put words in my mouth to make your arguments. It's also very clever to insult my age, as if you had any concept of how old I am. To any mature individual that happens upon this conversation, it'll be obvious to them which one of us is acting more juvenile.

I'm not hiding my age and 23 years old, yet you insult my age first when you're obviously younger. You're probably middle school or high school I would guess from your viewpoints and posts, as it seems you don't have much knowledge to fall back on and mostly just throw insults and sarcasm around. If you think you're acting mature that only further proves you are very young and don't know how to act mature.

I'm not hiding my age and 23 years old, yet you insult my age first when you're obviously younger. You're probably middle school or high school I would guess from your viewpoints and posts, seems you don't have much knowledge to fall back on and mostly just throw insults and sarcasm around. If you think you're acting mature that only further proves you are very young and don't know how to act mature.

I'm going to chuckle at this and leave it at that.

itb Methrage tries to justify cheating and calls the male teacher a "she".

Being old doesn’t give you some special insight into life. Especially if what you learned is you take pleasure from seeing fellow students humiliated in front of others by a teacher and that kind of person is your idol. He should have been called aside but the teacher decided to have fun at his expense. Like most teachers they never leave the classroom and get a real job. They spend their lives talking to children and not dealing with adults in the workplace. Perhaps this is why they behave like spoilt children from time to time. Who would idolise them?

Your post reaks of a hidden agenda. Being an educator isn't a bad thing and doesn't necessarily mean you can't deal with adults. I've friends who have moved on to be successful doctors yet are miserable because they simply do not enjoy their job. They teacher didn't have fun at his expensive, he wanted to know whether or not he was truly cheating this entire time and found out. And the child needed to be humiliated if he went to such lengths to cheat.

But I tell you what, since you feel so passionately about teachers being useless and spoiled, stay home and try to educate yourself like an adult. Check back to me and tell me what your career is in another 4 or so years and then look for a job and have to explain why you don't have a degree.

Your post reaks of a hidden agenda. Being an educator isn't a bad thing and doesn't necessarily mean you can't deal with adults. I've friends who have moved on to be successful doctors yet are miserable because they simply do not enjoy their job. They teacher didn't have fun at his expensive, he wanted to know whether or not he was truly cheating this entire time and found out. And the child needed to be humiliated if he went to such lengths to cheat.

The child needed to be humiliated. Is that right? An adult whos job it is to educate showing his students that public humiliation is a valid method in dealing with a situation. If you get the chance to humiliate a child on front of his/her peers you should do it with gusto. I have no hidden agenda I just don’t understand what there is to admire about an adult who humiliated a child on front of his peers. People who think they are moral think their actions are always justified because they are the moral police no matter what they do in the name of whats right. He was wrong and if my boss in work humilated me in front of my collegues no matter what I did I'd have him on front of HR in a heartbeat. He abused his position no matter what way you look at it.

But I tell you what, since you feel so passionately about teachers being useless and spoiled, stay home and try to educate yourself like an adult. Check back to me and tell me what your career is in another 4 or so years and then look for a job and have to explain why you don't have a degree.

People do it all the time its called Open University and its a perfectly respectable method of educating oneself. Its the course content and the grade you achieve not the teacher that gets you a job.

Really? Okay let me amend that. Come to America and try that, see how far you get without a degree. You could receive a comprehensive education in how to eloquently say, "would you like fries with that?"

Also isn't it hilarious the student can do anything he wants but as soon as the teacher steps out of line, which he sure as hell didn't, it's all the teacher's fault? It's a messed up world we live in these days.

Really? Okay let me amend that. Come to America and try that, see how far you get without a degree. You could receive a comprehensive education in how to eloquently say, "would you like fries with that?"

Sounds like a problem with America rather than OU.

Also isn't it hilarious the student can do anything he wants but as soon as the teacher steps out of line, which he sure as hell didn't, it's all the teacher's fault? It's a messed up world we live in these days.

One is an adult and one is a child. The child was wrong but the adult, knowing better and being at work was more wrong. Its a messed up "society" you want to save that thinks an adult and a child are mentally and emotionally at the same level. Is it any wonder bullying is openly accepted over there when teachers doing this makes them a hero. Personally I think soldiers and firemen are heroes not people who humiliate children.

I wonder, Methrage, can you really be so dense as to not understand the fact that when a university tells an employer that a graduate has certain skills that they do not possess (in the form of a degree), that there is no net harm to anyone other than the cheater? Do you believe that it is fine in society if we have future doctors, engineers, and architects that lack the knowledge that their professional organizations say that they should have?

Alterego, this is a university course and the student is an adult. It may help to read the whole story before commenting on it.

Alterego, this is a university course and the student is an adult. It may help to read the whole story before commenting on it.

I read it end to end. He said starting out in University making the guy 16, 17 or 18 unless he was a mature student. Intentional humiliation by people in power no matter the age of the victim is pathetic and people who admire...well, no comment.

I read it end to end. He said starting out in University making the guy 16, 17 or 18 unless he was a mature student. Intentional humiliation by people in power no matter the age of the victim is pathetic and people who admire...well, no comment.

Age of majority here is 18, which is also the starting age for our universities. But I agree with you here, the proper response to cheating isn't to humiliate the student; it's to initiate academic dishonesty procedures which at my school ended with expulsion. This student got lucky.

I wonder, Methrage, can you really be so dense as to not understand the fact that when a university tells an employer that a graduate has certain skills that they do not possess (in the form of a degree), that there is no net harm to anyone other than the cheater? Do you believe that it is fine in society if we have future doctors, engineers, and architects that lack the knowledge that their professional organizations say that they should have?

Does it really make a huge difference if someone memorizes the answers before the test, then forgets them afterward instead of just bringing the answers with them and learning as they take the test? Either way I'm not saying cheating is good, but its none of the other class mates business if he's cheating, that's between him and the teacher. If he did it obviously enough that the teacher saw him he would of deserved punishment, but that she didn't see him and had to rely on the testimony of a classmate who could have immoral intentions is why she didn't do anything other than tighten up the rules, which I think was a good way for her to handle it.

unlike with your theft scenario he isn't hurting anyone else

One could argue that he is defrauding anyone who goes on to hire him on the basis of the qualifications that he holds (which, after all, is the entire point of the qualification). They are losing resources purchasing something which is not as advertised.

One could argue that he is defrauding anyone who goes on to hire him on the basis of the qualifications that he holds (which, after all, is the entire point of the qualification). They are losing resources purchasing something which is not as advertised.

Most classes have nothing to with your major and the employer should really be checking what skills you really have, depending on the type of college someone goes to they might know nothing about their major and just paid for the degree pretty much. There is no rule stating a college needs to teach someone a certain amount of stuff before they can give a degree to someone.

Most classes have nothing to with your major and the employer should really be checking what skills you really have, depending on the type of college someone goes to they might know nothing about their major and just paid for the degree pretty much. There is no rule stating a college needs to teach someone a certain amount of stuff before they can give a degree to someone.

Yes, there are such rules, actually. That's why college programs are accredited.

Yes, there are such rules, actually. That's why college programs are accredited.

Not all colleges are accredited, if a you go to one that isn't accredited you can still get a degree, although you can't transfer your credits to one that is.

Not all colleges are accredited, if a you go to one that isn't accredited you can still get a degree, although you can't transfer your credits to one that is.

Yes, and you'll get a worthless degree if you go to a non-accredited school (unless it's a degree in religion), same as the "degrees" you can order based on your "life experiences" online. As for me, I expect my doctors to have passed their MCAT and my lawyers to have passed the state bar exam, and I wouldn't consider cheating on these exams to be in any way "just as valuable" as learning the skills their certifying organizations expect them to have.

Yes, and you'll get a worthless degree if you go to a non-accredited school (unless it's a degree in religion), same as the "degrees" you can order based on your "life experiences" online. As for me, I expect my doctors to have passed their MCAT and my lawyers to have passed the state bar exam, and I wouldn't consider cheating on these exams to be in any way "just as valuable" as learning the skills their certifying organizations expect them to have.

Its up to the employer to check whether your degree is worth something and if you've actually learned any skills or if all the training will have to be on the job, also it would depend on the subject if it actually matters if you learn the stuff beyond passing the class. A lot of times its easy to get stuck with classes that don't have anything to do with your major and aren't any fun, for electives and other classes you aren't going to need to know the material once you pass and it doesn't really matter. If for example you cheat your way through trigonometry you're going to have a hard time with calculus and any other math classes that you might take after it, but if its a class where you need to memorize a bunch of artists and identify their artwork, you're not going to need to remember that if your degree has nothing to do with art.

Anyways the guy who cheated missed out on learning the material properly, but maybe he had good reason he couldn't study beforehand. Its not really anyone's business what he's doing except maybe the teacher and she doesn't need people giving her more to stress over by complaining over other people cheating.

Its up to the employer to check whether your degree is worth something and if you've actually learned any skills or if all the training will have to be on the job, also it would depend on the subject if it actually matters if you learn the stuff beyond passing the class. A lot of times its easy to get stuck with classes that don't have anything to do with your major and aren't any fun, for electives and other classes you aren't going to need to know the material once you pass and it doesn't really matter. If for example you cheat your way through trigonometry you're going to have a hard time with calculus and any other math classes that you might take after it, but if its a class where you need to memorize a bunch of artists and identify their artwork, you're not going to need to remember that if your degree has nothing to do with art.

Anyways the guy who cheated missed out on learning the material properly, but maybe he had good reason he couldn't study beforehand. Its not really anyone's business what he's doing except maybe the teacher and she doesn't need people giving her more to stress over by complaining over other people cheating.

It's not my business if someone out there is taking actions that directly affect the value of the degree I expect to hold? I strongly disagree.

We've all had times when we didn't study as much as we wanted. I took the grade I deserved and moved on.

Finally, the idea that getting a degree is only about learning things in your major has 2500 years of precedent against it, and I don't know of any reputable school that subscribes to such a nearsighted view of education.

Now the guy had the ln(1/2) and then on the next line he all of a sudden had ln(-2). The teacher asked how we got it. The guy stuttered, "yeah well the 30 there and you take the log of the natural log." He was spouting nonsense for ten minutes, the teacher didn't let up. "No! How did you get ln(-2) from ln(1/2)?" He couldn't explain it. The teacher than said, "ln(1/2) is the same as the ln(1) - ln(2) through the property of the division of logarithms. The ln(1) is 0 therefore it's 0-ln(2) therefore it's ln(-2)."

Sorry, the mathematician in me won't let me let this go. It's -ln(2), not ln(-2). Logarithms of negative numbers are complex.

I usually let the cheater cheat off of me. Who cares? It's all a bunch of meaningless points anyways.

Being old doesn’t give you some special insight into life. Especially if what you learned is you take pleasure from seeing fellow students humiliated in front of others by a teacher and that kind of person is your idol. He should have been called aside but the teacher decided to have fun at his expense. Like most teachers they never leave the classroom and get a real job. They spend their lives talking to children and not dealing with adults in the workplace. Perhaps this is why they behave like spoilt children from time to time. Who would idolise them?

So how old are you 21? 26?

It is a real job, and one that takes up much more time than the hours they get paid for. Grading and producing lesson plans are time consuming.

Methrage you seem to lack something vital. Not sure what it is, but it makes you far less appealing as a person.

To endorse "finding an alternative way to succeed" is ridiculous. Using one's phone to pass a test, whether there are clear rules or no clear rules on the matter, is dishonourable and anyone would be right to get angry at a situation like this. I don't see how anyone can be jealous as you've said; it's not jealousy at all, it's standing up for what's right.

You seem like someone who would take "rules" word for word and find ways to work around them so you're not technically breaking them. Which makes sense as you praise this cheater's "creativity".

Somehow I doubt you'll get far in life with that mentality, and I don't sympathise with you one bit.

By the way, the teacher is male. How many times do you need to be told? Maybe read the OP.