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Don't give up on society...


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This day many years ago, when I first starting out in university, marked a very important day for me that I will never forget. Before I begin this isn't a lecture nor is it here to teach a lesson since I'm no person to discuss morals with others but what I do have is a story.

Many years ago I was in calculus, I personally, felt the class was very easy. Perhaps it was just me. Now we all know those in class that will go through any means necessary to find every way possible to get as many points as possible, in the easiest manner possible just to get through with a good grade - many of them cheat. We all witness this yet many are afraid to speak up and tell the teacher they are cheating for fear of being a "tattle tale" or being thought of as a jerk. I am no saint, far from it.

I will call fouls while playing basketball or even lie to get out of a rough situation, but honestly it has never occurred to me to cheat in my life. Cheating is pointless and some, not even most, of the time it catches up to you. Being religious, I'd rather cheat on my wife than cheat on myself and my classmates; it just never occurred to me. I came here and many did it. Some more discretely than others, and maybe only a few got caught. I had a feeling most teachers just didn't care, that they were just okay with letting it go and that those that cheated just didn't have it in them to study. I felt that cheaters do prosper and they will get away with things because the instructor's simply just don't care. Well on this day many years ago, I was wrong. Very, very wrong.

The previous class my friend saw someone cheating, a person notorious for cheating and not only that but also stealing. I have reasonable doubt to assume, from others, that this individual stole my expensive chemistry book, physics book and graphing calculator. Being poor and having no money to my name living with my uncle and relative family at the time, this was devastating. Having to work minimum wage open to close on weekends and a significant amount on Thursday's and Friday's showed how desperate I was to make tuition. Yet this person was born into a well to do family with a brilliant father who was a renowned scientist. Everyday it seemed he was showing his friends something new and exciting. Well apparently he bought a cell phone that could scan problems and show it to him whenever he felt like it. I noticed it, since he showed me. He copied the answers to my problems once when he didn't do his homework, he usually does his homework though and I'll get to it later.

Now back to the main story. At the beginning of class we're given quizzes to do. The teacher let's us keep the quizzes until the end of class if need be so long as we don't have any notebooks or anything on the table. When most hand in their quizzes, he resumes with class. Now the person in question sometimes kept his quiz until the end. He always used his cell phone. And why? He had a graphing calculator, hell maybe even mine!, on his desk. Anyways to top it off, he not only used his cell phone, but during class he'd use his notebook when no one was looking. My friend caught it, we also believe he stole my friend's calculator as well from others, and felt enough was enough. As the guy handed in his quiz at the end of class my friend came to the teacher right after and straight up told him, "[Name] was cheating." The teacher seemed a bit quiet about it. He said, "Cheating? Well this needs to be addressed. I don't know if I need to have everyone hand it in early or what, I know some need a longer time on the quizzes than others but if I need to I will make everyone turn it in at the same time most do to get on with class." Now originally I had intended to just ask the teacher a question and stay out of it, but I then said, "[Name] has a phone that can scan the problems and bring it up on his cell phone." The teacher all of a sudden took this into more consideration and said, "I will handle it."

Two days later we had class again. We had a bad semester. Many issues arised and it seemed like the teacher, who was very nice by nature and to other classes and was said to have never yelled in class, seemed to yell at us everyday. Asking there is just something about this class that is just.. off. Well one day he brought up a document that we have all seen before. The teacher exclaimed, "this is the most painful thing I've had to do so far." Some ditsy girl asked, "what is that?" The teacher said, "you should know it because you all signed it at the beginning of the year." The document entailed was something called the Pitt Promise.

He especially highlighted the section that said:

# I will commit myself to the pursuit of knowledge with personal integrity and academic honesty;

# I will respect the sanctity of the learning environment and avoid disruptive and deceitful behavior toward other members of the campus community;

And he said, "I am seeing cell phones out. Now is there an app you are using to get the answers? I know you're not texting someone and I know you're not using it as a calculator since you already have graphing calculators sitting on your desk. Now is it possible that some of you are scanning questions from the homework, (as the questions on the homework were exactly the same on the test, one question from each section) is it really possible that some of you are so deceitful that you would do such a thing?" Someone astutely remarked, "but who would take pictures of the questions on the homework and do that though? Seems like too much trouble, they're probably cheating through other means." The class laughed and the teacher merely shrugged sort of laughing saying, "I don't know, but is it not reasonable to assume that there is cheating going on when cell phones and calculators are out at the same time? I mean if some of you put in 20% of the effort you use getting around these things you can easily understand this material."

He then turned serious and in a very calm and respectful manner, unlike his usual yelling when people interrupted his class unfairly, said, "This hurts the most. Because I can deal with a lack of respect towards me. But please have the integrity to have that respect towards your classmates and to yourselves because this is at the very heart of your character."

We got on with class. The first thing we reviewed was the quiz. My friend who had told on the guy scored a 5/10 on the quiz, visibly upset. Whereas the guy who cheated scored a 9/10 and interrupted the teacher asking why he missed a point and felt he should get it back. The teacher simply replied, "just talk to me after class about that" as if it were nothing. My friend was very upset. How could he, who took the test honestly, be content with a 5/10 when a guy who cheated scored a 9/10 and was asking for points? He felt the teacher was a sell-out, I did. As if what he said meant absolutely nothing at all. I thought my friend was just going to storm out of the room in anger but he stuck around for something, he put up a problem on the board.

We usually have something called "board problems." Problems from the homework that the teacher designates to put on the board and then explain them to the class as to how we got that answer for bonus points. Now of course the guy who cheats always wants to steal the board problems. We had previously come to a consensus, as a class that if you do a board problem one day you don't do one a next since they were limited and to give others a chance. The guy lashed out saying, "that's not fair, no! I don't agree to that." And the matter was put to rest. Now my friend and I each put a problem on the board, yet the other guy decided to put up 3, the maximum you can put up, stealing points from others.

Now the teacher asked me to explain my problem, I did. Although I messed up the domain since I didn't read the question properly he still accepted it and said, "good." He then asked my friend who explained his question well and the teacher said, "good." Now it came time to ask the person who cheated how he got his answers. I thought he would get away with it, but the teacher did something I never expected and probably one of the coolest things I have ever seen.

Now the guy can't explain his problems. As was found out, he usually goes into the library and gets the solution's manual and copies it all word for word, letter by letter. So of course when it comes time to explain it, he makes stuff up to get through it having to get the teacher to explain it. The teacher usually allows it. Well not this day, not today. One of the problems involved exponential functions using half life. Now although I don't recall the problem, I do remember the particular issue in question which was so simple.

Now the guy had the ln(1/2) and then on the next line he all of a sudden had ln(-2). The teacher asked how we got it. The guy stuttered, "yeah well the 30 there and you take the log of the natural log." He was spouting nonsense for ten minutes, the teacher didn't let up. "No! How did you get ln(-2) from ln(1/2)?" He couldn't explain it. The teacher than said, "ln(1/2) is the same as the ln(1) - ln(2) through the property of the division of logarithms. The ln(1) is 0 therefore it's 0-ln(2) therefore it's ln(-2)."

I looked at my friend, he looked at me as if to say, "he got 'em" nodding our head's. People looked at us not knowing what had happened. My friend stood up stretching his arms, I thought he was going to do something but then sat back down.

He didn't continue on with the problem. He said, if some of you would be so deceitful as to copy and paste problems from the solution's manual at least have the decency to explain it properly. He then went on with class.

At the end of class the guy just bolted for the door not asking about the point he had lost on the quiz. My other friend, who had a point stolen by the guy via a board problem he got wrong talked to the teacher saying it's just not fair. He told the teacher, "he comes from a well to do family and gets to cheat yet myself who had it hard my whole life (his dad died when he was young) has to work for every damn thing!"

Thanking the teacher for catching him I looked on in awe. This was the single coolest and greatest thing I have ever seen. The way he approached the situation was so methodical and mathematical in its own right, it was truly amazing. I felt for awhile that cheaters do prosper and that teachers don't care. And for the most part it's true, yet that day I ran into a cheater who didn't prosper and a teacher who did care.

I agree society has become a muck of cheating and taking the easy road out. But no matter how bad it is, never give up on society and stay true to yourself and those around you.

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So all your friend accomplished for snitching on the guy for cheating with his cell phone is now your teacher isn't as nice anymore with a shorter temper and highly paranoid of people cheating, so seems snitching didn't do anything good. I've found that those who are horrible at school work and to stupid to cheat themselves without getting caught are the ones who complain and snitch on other for doing it successfully out of jealousy, so I'm not surprised your friend failed and deserved his score. A lot of teachers don't care if you "cheat" or let you discuss answers while looking at your notes and I don't see anything wrong with that. If the teacher doesn't want you cheating but your able to without getting caught, that skill is just as valuable as if you knew all the answers on the test normally.

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The object of any test is to pass. Anyone in awe of a Ned Flanders clone who takes pleasure in trying to humilate his students isnt as clean cut as he would like to believe. You have a lot to learn about real life buddy.

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The object of any test is to pass. Anyone in awe of a Ned Flanders clone who takes pleasure in trying to humilate his students isnt as clean cut as he would like to believe. You have a lot to learn about real life buddy.

First off I'm likely older than you. And if from what I wrote you deduce a Simpsons character than you've some seriously messed up perceptions of real life, buddy.

Methrage - then where's the self-respect for one's self? For others? Is living life as a lie the way you want to live your life? I guess some are just different than myself.

So all your friend accomplished for snitching on the guy for cheating with his cell phone is now your teacher isn't as nice anymore with a shorter temper and highly paranoid of people cheating, so seems snitching didn't do anything good. I've found that those who are horrible at school work and to stupid to cheat themselves without getting caught are the ones who complain and snitch on other for doing it successfully out of jealousy, so I'm not surprised your friend failed and deserved his score. A lot of teachers don't care if you "cheat" or let you discuss answers while looking at your notes and I don't see anything wrong with that. If the teacher doesn't want you cheating but your able to without getting caught, that skill is just as valuable as if you knew all the answers on the test normally.

Yes my friend who got an A in the class was so upset about a guy cheating, you're right. Also if cheating without getting caught is just as good as knowing all the tests normally, it just proves how much of a muck society truly is. Disgusting.

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What I don't understand is that my University takes cheating extremely seriously, as, by cheating, you are not demonstrating that you understand the material, and by cheating, the degree that you receive by the institution doesn't really represent what you have done. My University threatens you with expulsion for cheating or stealing more than once. I'm surprised the teacher wasn't more adamant about it.

Nonetheless, it would have been great to see that guy embarrassed for such a length of time.

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A decent read. I'm just surprised that the instructor didn't already have a policy against cellphones in the classroom, especially during quizzes and tests. I'm also surprised that humiliation was the sole punishment for the cheating student. At University level, it's committing academic fraud.

As for Methrage's comment, typical you'd side with the cheater and !@#$%* about snitching. I'm always glad to see my opinion of you justified.

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A decent read. I'm just surprised that the instructor didn't already have a policy against cellphones in the classroom, especially during quizzes and tests. I'm also surprised that humiliation was the sole punishment for the cheating student. At University level, it's committing academic fraud.

As for Methrage's comment, typical you'd side with the cheater and !@#$%* about snitching. I'm always glad to see my opinion of you justified.

If she didn't have a policy against cell phones in the classroom I don't see how it was really cheating, if a teacher allows talking and using your notes during a test you wouldn't be cheating if you looked them up or asked the person next to you, you would just be finding a different route to finding the same answer. Nobody gets hurt in the process if someone decides to prepare better than someone else to make sure they pass, if the other guy fails its his fault for not trying hard enough. For him to blame the guy who was thinking ahead is a pathetic attitude to have, instead he should of been learning from what the guy was doing instead of both failing the test and making a fool of himself. If you always worry about what other people have that you have no claim to or things they are doing even if it doesn't concern you, then I doubt you'll be very popular or get far in life.

The person probably didn't get in trouble and still got 90/100 on the test because he didn't break any of the classroom rules, maybe she banned cell phones in class after the fact because she didn't want to deal with more complainers. Also unless she saw what he was doing, it was one person's word against somebody else and I doubt anyone would admit to cheating unless the teacher already has the evidence. The teacher made rules on cell phones more harsh to prevent people from cheating that way again, pretty much all she could of been expected to do.

If people wanted to see something bad happen to the guy who used his cell phone on the test, then I can only wonder what else he has done to piss people off. Nobody cares when their friends are cheating, but when someone they don't like does it...

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A good read. Cheating is theft of information. Without aquiring it fairly, through learning, it's dishonourable.

People pay a fortune to go to college, if you're going to fail after wasting a bunch of money on the classes and books, the smart person would do whatever they can think of to pass. Wasting your parents money and taking out student loans to go to college, then failing college and not being able to pay any of it back because you thought failing would be better than getting creative would be more dishonorable. Your mission when you go to school is to pass your classes and keep advancing until you're done with school, your not having a competition with other student on who gets the best scores. In a competitive game or sport I would agree cheating is dishonorable, but whether someone else taking the same class as you fails or not won't help you pass the class easier.

From the story in the OP it sounds like the guy who told the teacher about the cell phone is not doing good in the class and wants to drag others down with him, when his focus should be on how he will pass the class. If he wasn't snitching on those coming up with ideas maybe someone could help him. Trying to get that kid in trouble was a purely spiteful action, the guy who cheated was trying to pass the class as expected and wasn't hurting anyone. The teacher wouldn't of even known and nobody would of been upset or hurt by him cheating if someone wasn't jealous and snitching to the teacher. Also the guy didn't even copy of someone else, so how is that theft again? Nobody owned the guys notes on his cell phone except the guy who put them there.

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If she didn't have a policy against cell phones in the classroom I don't see how it was really cheating, if a teacher allows talking and using your notes during a test you wouldn't be cheating if you looked them up or asked the person next to you, you would just be finding a different route to finding the same answer. Nobody gets hurt in the process if someone decides to prepare better than someone else to make sure they pass, if the other guy fails its his fault for not trying hard enough. For him to blame the guy who was thinking ahead is a pathetic attitude to have, instead he should of been learning from what the guy was doing instead of both failing the test and making a fool of himself. If you always worry about what other people have that you have no claim to or things they are doing even if it doesn't concern you, then I doubt you'll be very popular or get far in life.

The person probably didn't get in trouble and still got 90/100 on the test because he didn't break any of the classroom rules, maybe she banned cell phones in class after the fact because she didn't want to deal with more complainers. Also unless she saw what he was doing, it was one person's word against somebody else and I doubt anyone would admit to cheating unless the teacher already has the evidence. The teacher made rules on cell phones more harsh to prevent people from cheating that way again, pretty much all she could of been expected to do.

If people wanted to see something bad happen to the guy who used his cell phone on the test, then I can only wonder what else he has done to piss people off. Nobody cares when their friends are cheating, but when someone they don't like does it...

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The more you talk, the more I smile.

The more you reveal the type of person you are, the more I stop caring about you and am reminded of why I usually don't bother with your posts or ignore them. I don't care if you smile, laugh, post, get angry, disappointed or anything you could do. So keep having a dumb grin on your face, but I don't care.

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The more you reveal the type of person you are, the more I stop caring about you and am reminded of why I usually don't bother with your posts or ignore them. I don't care if you smile, laugh, post, get angry, disappointed or anything you could do. So keep having a dumb grin on your face, but I don't care.

Son, you're basically admitting to being a low-life. You're demonstrating for everyone here what kind of person you truly are. My stance on you and your ilk has always been that you can't tell the difference between right and wrong, up and down, or your head from a hole in the ground. You've made it blatantly clear that you struggle with the basic concepts of ethics within REAL SOCIETY. GOONS might play evil within this GAME, but it's clear that you're actually living in a dream world where you're attempting to mold society to yourself rather than learn to adapt to society. You might relish being an outcast, but sharing that part of your personality certainly doesn't shine a forgiving light on your defects.

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Son, you're basically admitting to being a low-life. You're demonstrating for everyone here what kind of person you truly are. My stance on you and your ilk has always been that you can't tell the difference between right and wrong, up and down, or your head from a hole in the ground. You've made it blatantly clear that you struggle with the basic concepts of ethics within REAL SOCIETY. GOONS might play evil within this GAME, but it's clear that you're actually living in a dream world where you're attempting to mold society to yourself rather than learn to adapt to society. You might relish being an outcast, but sharing that part of your personality certainly doesn't shine a forgiving light on your defects.

What you're showing is when you get jealous of people or they have something you don't, you think its alright to stick your nose into their business when its not hurting anyone, as well as cause other people to start sticking their noses into their business. When I went to school I didn't bother cheating, for me it was easy enough without it. However I never view those who did cheat as low lives, they're just trying to pass the test using whatever ability they have.

If someone has a better memory than someone else and this has been verified, would the guy with a better memory be cheating if someone without good memory is taking the test? What if someone takes prescription meds that increase their memory and do so they can think better, would these people be cheating in comparison to those who aren't on meds? Not everyone is made equally and some people need to try different approaches if they are going to be able to pass, there is nothing immoral about this. They just should be ready for the consequences if they get caught. However its obvious intelligent discussion isn't your strong suit, so don't expect anymore responses as I'm done responding to you.

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What you're showing is when you get jealous of people or they have something you don't, you think its alright to stick your nose into their business when its not hurting anyone, as well as cause other people to start sticking their noses into their business. When I went to school I didn't bother cheating, for me it was easy enough without it. However I never view those who did cheat as low lives, they're just trying to pass the test using whatever ability they have.

If someone has a better memory than someone else and this has been verified, would the guy with a better memory be cheating if someone without good memory is taking the test? What if someone takes prescription meds that increase their memory and do so they can think better, would these people be cheating in comparison to those who aren't on meds? Not everyone is made equally and some people need to try different approaches if they are going to be able to pass, there is nothing immoral about this. They just should be ready for the consequences if they get caught. However its obvious intelligent discussion isn't your strong suit, so don't expect anymore responses as I'm done responding to you.

There's truly no better tactic to 'end' a conversation than tossing in an insult at the end of your post and following it up with "I'm done responding to you". Clearly, intelligent discussion isn't your strong suit.

It's astounding what you're trying to argue here. Being unable to interpret what would make someone angry about someone blatantly cheating and getting away with it and calling it 'jealousy' demonstrates that you don't know the first thing about human behaviour. Anger is not intrinsically tied to jealousy. If someone robs a house, the neighbors don't get jealous of the robber's good fortune, wishing they had thought of it first. There's a serious lapse of logic in your argument that you're turning a blind eye to, and although I've seen you have it before in our dealings with you, it's scary to think that you're really running around outside of CN like that.

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There's truly no better tactic to 'end' a conversation than tossing in an insult at the end of your post and following it up with "I'm done responding to you". Clearly, intelligent discussion isn't your strong suit.

It's astounding what you're trying to argue here. Being unable to interpret what would make someone angry about someone blatantly cheating and getting away with it and calling it 'jealousy' demonstrates that you don't know the first thing about human behaviour. Anger is not intrinsically tied to jealousy. If someone robs a house, the neighbors don't get jealous of the robber's good fortune, wishing they had thought of it first. There's a serious lapse of logic in your argument that you're turning a blind eye to, and although I've seen you have it before in our dealings with you, it's scary to think that you're really running around outside of CN like that.

Except in the story from the OP nobody got robbed, someone just saved their notes onto their cell phone and used that rather than work off memory. Your arguments don't even make sense and I'd be surprised if you believe anything you're saying, but either way I'm ignoring you now, so maybe you can see if someone else will respond to your arguments that don't have anything to do with the discussion at hand.

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Except in the story from the OP nobody got robbed, someone just saved their notes onto their cell phone and used that rather than work off memory. Your arguments don't even make sense and I'd be surprised if you believe anything you're saying, but either way I'm ignoring you now, so maybe you can see if someone else will respond to your arguments that don't have anything to do with the discussion at hand.

The above statement equates to an assumption made on your part ('notes' on the cellphone) and a failure to debate anything I've stated. You appear to be using some attempt at a jedi mind trick by stating my arguments don't make sense and that they don't have anything to do with the discussion at hand, yet you're failing miserably. You can't comprehend metaphors, and you can't argue your point because it's based on an irrational view of how society works. If you're willing to concede defeat in this debate and let someone else take up your stance, I will allow it...yet I doubt there's anyone else out there that truly shares your opinion on this subject.

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The above statement equates to an assumption made on your part ('notes' on the cellphone) and a failure to debate anything I've stated. You appear to be using some attempt at a jedi mind trick by stating my arguments don't make sense and that they don't have anything to do with the discussion at hand, yet you're failing miserably. You can't comprehend metaphors, and you can't argue your point because it's based on an irrational view of how society works. If you're willing to concede defeat in this debate and let someone else take up your stance, I will allow it...yet I doubt there's anyone else out there that truly shares your opinion on this subject.

Seems the ignore feature doesn't work for blogs, but explain why you think him checking his notes on his phone or checking his text messages is at all similar to breaking into someone's house and robbing them? He already had the information, it was given to him in class or his book. If its a public school it was paid for through taxes, if it wasn't a public school it was still paid for. Also if someone needed to tell the teacher for her to notice, he wasn't cheating very obviously. Most people cheat at school, from my experience going to school those who would tell the teachers whenever they see someone break a rule were the outcasts with almost no friends, not the ones who work together with their friends to make sure they pass.

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First off I'm likely older than you.

Being old doesn’t give you some special insight into life. Especially if what you learned is you take pleasure from seeing fellow students humiliated in front of others by a teacher and that kind of person is your idol. He should have been called aside but the teacher decided to have fun at his expense. Like most teachers they never leave the classroom and get a real job. They spend their lives talking to children and not dealing with adults in the workplace. Perhaps this is why they behave like spoilt children from time to time. Who would idolise them?

So how old are you 21? 26?

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Seems the ignore feature doesn't work for blogs, but explain why you think him checking his notes on his phone or checking his text messages is at all similar to breaking into someone's house and robbing them?

As I said, you can't seem to understand metaphors. I was posing an alternate (yet similar) situation that demonstrates how 'jealousy' wasn't an appropriate emotion in response to what occurred.

He already had the information, it was given to him in class or his book.

Are you really unable to grasp the purpose of school? What does the word 'education' mean to you?

If its a public school it was paid for through taxes, if it wasn't a public school it was still paid for.

Funny how you're not addressing who paid for it, their financial situation, or the purpose of sending the student to school in the first place.

Also if someone needed to tell the teacher for her to notice, he wasn't cheating very obviously.

Another assumption.

Most people cheat at school

Another assumption.

from my experience going to school those who would tell the teachers whenever they see someone break a rule were the outcasts with almost no friends, not the ones who work together with their friends to make sure they pass.

Oh, I see. You're the epitome of a child misled by peer-pressure in order to remain buddies with chums. So, it's okay to cheat as long as you have friends that cover you and vice-versa....I get it. Bravo, my dear Methrage.

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Oh, I see. You're the epitome of a child misled by peer-pressure in order to remain buddies with chums. So, it's okay to cheat as long as you have friends that cover you and vice-versa....I get it. Bravo, my dear Methrage.

I'm not sure where you got that idea, but I'm going to assume you were that person in school that got picked on a lot for various reasons, one of the reasons being you betraying the trust of your classmates and not realizing that even most of the teachers face palm and can't stand those types of people.

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I'm not sure where you got that idea, but I'm going to assume you were that person in school that got picked on a lot for various reasons, one of the reasons being you betraying the trust of your classmates and not realizing that even most of the teachers face palm and can't stand those types of people.

...and that wouldn't be the first assumption you've made, as I've readily pointed out to you. Since you're unable to carry on the seemingly one-sided debate we've been having (you know, the one where I post a point and you neglect to post an actual counterpoint), I see you're now resorting to playing out juvenile scenarios in your head to make yourself feel better. Tsk tsk, good sir.

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...and that wouldn't be the first assumption you've made, as I've readily pointed out to you. Since you're unable to carry on the seemingly one-sided debate we've been having (you know, the one where I post a point and you neglect to post an actual counterpoint), I see you're now resorting to playing out juvenile scenarios in your head to make yourself feel better. Tsk tsk, good sir.

You still haven't explained why you think saving the answers on a cell phone rather than memorizing them is comparable to robbing someone's house, one has a clear victim and the other doesn't. It could be argued the person cheating is hurting themselves by not memorizing the material and risking getting in trouble if caught, but unlike with your theft scenario he isn't hurting anyone else. Its obvious though you aren't looking to make a clear argument or back up anything you say with reason, so responding to you is pretty pointless. If your just going to throw outrageous claims without backing any of them up as you describe how you imagine me, there is nothing for me to debate you on other than tell you you're wrong.

So far your arguments have consisted of mostly you just making false claims about me, even though you don't know me and that isn't the topic. When all you can do is attack the person you're discussing something with rather than what they're saying, you're not any good at debating and should stop trying. I doubt anyone takes you seriously either way.

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You still haven't explained why you think saving the answers on a cell phone rather than memorizing them is comparable to robbing someone's house, one has a clear victim and the other doesn't.

...and you still haven't acknowledged that you're assuming the 'answers were saved on the cell phone'. The victim in the cheating incident may be the entire class, depending on the method of grading used by the instructor.

It could be argued the person cheating is hurting themselves by not memorizing the material and risking getting in trouble if caught, but unlike with your theft scenario he isn't hurting anyone else.

See above.

Its obvious though you aren't looking to make a clear argument or back up anything you say with reason, so responding to you is pretty pointless. If your just going to throw outrageous claims without backing any of them up as you describe how you imagine me, there is nothing for me to debate you on other than tell you you're wrong.

If I could inject reason and logic into your brain with a syringe, I would. Unfortunately, you're equivalent to a rubber ball. You're fun to play with for a limited time, but there's only so many things you can do with a rubber ball before giving up on expecting it to evolve into a duck. I pity you and those around you, and only hope that you're able to keep your thoughts in your head rather than inflicting them upon others.

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...and you still haven't acknowledged that you're assuming the 'answers were saved on the cell phone'. The victim in the cheating incident may be the entire class, depending on the method of grading used by the instructor.

He didn't get in trouble, so maybe he wasn't even cheating and the person who accused him of it was wrong. However regardless of if he cheated or not using his cell phone, that is no way comparable to robbing someone's house. Your straw man arguments fail and its obvious your just trying to waste anyone's time who bothers to respond to you. I think you're the only person in the entire time I've played CN that I've added to my ignore list, I'm not even sure what your trying to argue in favor of. It seems to me you're trying to argue in favor of people notifying authorities whenever they see someone doing something against the laws or rules, even if it is a victimless action.

Do you report your friends when they do something they shouldn't be doing according to whoever is in charge even if they aren't hurting anyone? If you broke a rule would you expect your friends to snitch on you and do you do the same for them? You don't seem like a good guy if you think you're doing a good thing by getting others in trouble pointlessly, when whatever it is they're doing isn't hurting anyone.

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