brokenhead Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 If it's not in any way CN related then this is the wrong forum and doesn't really matter if it's a "good idea" or not. Just some dude making a community for like minded people and inviting said people from CN to join. Wrong forum though. First, this is an OOC forum. Second, people who play CN get together on outside forums and talk about many things, including politics. So I don't see how this is utterly disconnected from CN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC123 Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I would say this might belong in the Boiler Room, but not my call. This is not an inherently bad idea if that happens to be your RL political leaning, but Kc, you will learn quick you chose a bad AA and will rapidly become a joke. Just a heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willagon Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 (edited) First, this is an OOC forum. Second, people who play CN get together on outside forums and talk about many things, including politics. So I don't see how this is utterly disconnected from CN. it still isnt really on topic with this forum, ooc or not Edited September 8, 2009 by willagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Cato Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Mr. Kc Ty Flick tear down this failure! I mean wall >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opethian Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 This always ends well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niu Garzukk Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 lolz You realize communism is bad for your nation unless you are in war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalC Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 For some weird reason I don't think the commies around here are taking this very seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ch33kY Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) Proletarians? Where? I already have ample revolutionary freedom as it emanates from the glory of the Emperor. Sorry to go off topic a bit, but that thread by EuroSoviets was one of the best argued points in CN political philosophy dicussion we have ever had. Everyone should read it. Edited September 11, 2009 by Ch33kY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Sorry to go off topic a bit, but that thread by EuroSoviets was one of the best argued points in CN political philosophy dicussion we have ever had. Everyone should read it. I highly agree with this. There is a lot of value (and lack of it) in posts in that thread, and I would like to see that kind of thread to appear more. I have a few cents to contribute about socialism in Cybernations today. As an ex member of the international and a player for some time, interacting with ex NPO members and having accounts of how the internal dynamics of that alliance work, I am of the opinion that the INT is less socialist than NPO. While NPO's system of organization clearly and objectively establishes a barrier between nations in an almost aristocratic fashion (as evidenced by the lack of mobility from the lowest to the highest ranks), maximizes imposition in production internally through that system and imposes the will of their leadership (which has more than often differed from the will of their membership, namely during the pacifican-polar split) on other alliances, using passages of the article, INT's system is not exactly far from it. They're just really concerned with not crossing any ideological lines or seeming authoritharian while doing it, ideological lines that largely come from populist, erroneous notions of what socialism is or was meant to be and hardly ever transcend the barrier of liberalism. So at one side we have an alliance that attempts to establish cooperation by force and strayed from that path in the past (my hopes are that it returns to its roots after recent happenings and actually puts their structure to some good use) and at the other we have a pseudo-anti-autocracy-communist-centered alliance that is apparently opposed to imposition and doesn't really rises above petty rhetorical liberalism or escapes from the fallacy of attempting to create a "more humane capitalism" (without even realizing it) due to their fear that a real system of organization could potentially turn in some form of statism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Metternich Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I can tell that this is going to be a pointless thing. Exactly which communist leader do you admire? Who do you see as a role model? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 As a true Marxist I do not approve of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 As a true Marxist I do not approve of this. Why? The idea would actually be interesting if it had a bit more of penetration towards marxists.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Mao Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Arguing already, come on guys we can usually last a little longer then this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owney OSullivan Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Communists spreading "freedom"? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Litler Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Communists spreading "freedom"? LOL You read my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Communists spreading "freedom"? LOL Communism is freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Cato Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Communism is freedom. by killing millions? D= cough Stalin, Mao Zedong>_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owney OSullivan Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Communism is freedom. What if I wanna you know, own stuff? Or not engage in military service? Or decide basically for myself what to do with my life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 I could really use not having to respond to trolls. What if I wanna you know, own stuff? You can own stuff. You can't have the monopoly over the means of production (means that are already social anyway... Just wait for another crisis until the taxpayer pumps more money on them to save more jobs), just like you can't own slaves. Its considered exploitation. Or not engage in military service? Compulsory military service is not at all associated with communism. Cold war propaganda aside, thats a governance practice (that was and is still used en masse by self defined capitalist nations like, say, switzerland or finland). Or decide basically for myself what to do with my life? tongue.gif There isnt this magical entity in communism that prevents you from making choices. by killing millions? D= cough Stalin, Mao Zedong>_> Aside from war casualties, millions of people weren't killed. In case you mean to say that the policies adopted by the governments spearheaded by these personalities were responsible for the deaths of millions by hunger, you dont count the millions of people who also die of hunger in poverty stricken areas under capitalist regimes, do you? Is a hunger wave in a government you agree with more acceptable than a hunger wave in a government you disagree with? Double standards are interesting. At the second a guy calls himself a socialist (even if the regime isn't really socialist, like stalin's soviet union and mao zedong's china) reactionary shock troops start nitpicking/enlarging every apparent fault the regime has, and even offer political support to parties that clearly have less condition of coordinating a government... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpdogg Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 I'm sure the Gulag was epic fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongol-Swedes Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 (edited) I'm sure the Gulag was epic fun. I'm sure the American prison system is/was epic fun. Face it: All States spread injustice in the name of Order, be they 'communist' or 'democratic'. EDIT: A little supporting data. Edited September 12, 2009 by The Mongol-Swedes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 I'm sure the Gulag was epic fun. As was devil's island and plenty of other happy camps. Not that its an excuse, but the practice preceded the october revolution in russia and simply wasn't abolished. Stalin himself escaped from siberia twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Litler Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Communism is freedom. The only freedom you have under communist regimes is the freedom to obey or be shot, your body thrown into an unmarked mass grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 (edited) The only freedom you have under communist regimes is the freedom to obey or be shot, your body thrown into an unmarked mass grave. I think you are confusing two concepts here, namely Communism and Totalitarianism. Ironically, the latter seems to be not far removed from your ideal government style, judging from your avatar and nation/ruler name. Edited September 12, 2009 by Arrnea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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