welshgazza1992 Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Congratulations on peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Spades Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 OK, your vote have swayed me. I have updated my custom title to reflect my once hidden agenda. The next logical step is to DoW the evil CN-Staff alliance, buddy. My army of evil sewer mutants await your command Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 That's not fair, I was understanding and you kept yelling at me. Well Neneko yelled at me so perhaps it is you who has to tell me you understand! I'm just following established protocol here. So many tears. So delicious. I'm glad you revel in the disappointment of your coalition partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobama Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 You make a valid point, but I think these terms were just that. Put yourself in their place and you may feel it. I felt it as being on the same side.Being forgiven by people whome you have tried to beat down for a long time, that would make one ashamed. It would to me atleast. Well then you are above Valhalla. Did you notice how they acted in war? They know they were going to lose and they acted the same as they always do, like pompous pricks. They'll excuse this loss as them getting rolled, not a referendum on their behavior, and will continue on. Unless it is politically prudent for them to change. And that's why the NPO's fate is the only one that counts, as Valhalla can't open a jar of mayonnaise without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Mockingbird Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 So much QQ. Congrats on the peace Valhallians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicalTrevor Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 (edited) Far too lenient, once again the PR machine has churned and minimilised damage that could have been taken by people by NPOs side. Disgusted. /me takes his seat next to Tyga at the 'big mean man' table Edited May 11, 2009 by MagicalTrevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Far too lenient, once again the PR machine has churned and minimilised damage that could have been taken by people by NPOs side. Disgusted. /me takes his seat next to Tyga at the 'big mean man' table Awesome, it was getting kind of lonely here. And our tears are so enjoyed by some in your own alliance. It's always nice to give something back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Well then you are above Valhalla.Did you notice how they acted in war? They know they were going to lose and they acted the same as they always do, like pompous pricks. They'll excuse this loss as them getting rolled, not a referendum on their behavior, and will continue on. Unless it is politically prudent for them to change. And that's why the NPO's fate is the only one that counts, as Valhalla can't open a jar of mayonnaise without them. I spoke with Chefjoe recently about NSO and he seemed to indicate that he got along fine with leadership there. Hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 (edited) Im sick and tired of hearing this self righteous bull !@#$ acting like anything else is evil. You should have aired your concerns when your side chanted about it for an year or so. Most of them are acting on their words. Karma makes me eat my words daily, you're my only hope. Edited May 11, 2009 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krull Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Well if nothing else at least I got a new sig from this thread. I hope you don't mind Uhtred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I spoke with Chefjoe recently about NSO and he seemed to indicate that he got along fine with leadership there. Hmm... Man, I love when you do this. You know, the attempts to guilt-trip people out of speaking their minds by indicating it will have political consequences for their alliance. That thing that sort of died with your bullying policies and your nations, you know? Know what I'm talking about? You got me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindom of Goon Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 You weren't sick of it when your side was the one chanting about it for an year or so...Now many of them who were really in for morality and justice are acting on it, while those who hid behind the veil with only revenge as a motive suddenly are sick of it. Really its pretty clear who wants revenge and who wants to bring in real 'Change'. I don't think seeking retribution and seeking change are necessarily exclusive. Infact it could easily be argued that more severe punishment is more likely to bring about change than letting them off easy. Its all a matter of perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobgoblin70 Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 So this is how the Karma coalition fails. The Hegemony is defeated on the battlefield but wins the war of propaganda. Either these alliances granting peace have been shamed into giving far too lenient terms or they actually have come to believe they are not entitled to reparations when forced into a war started by Hegemony aggression. If anything terms like this will encourage alliances of dubious moral character to pursue aggressive actions without fear of any real punishment. Karma, your hand was forced. While crushing reparations would only lead to more conflict the Hegemony should shoulder some burden for the war they started. Your soldiers, infrastructure and technology we perfectly happy not being destroyed before this war happened, don't you feel you should be compensated for their sacrifice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 OK, your vote have swayed me. I have updated my custom title to reflect my once hidden agenda. I don't know why I didn't harness my power of persuasion sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krull Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Karma, your hand was forced. While crushing reparations would only lead to more conflict the Hegemony should shoulder some burden for the war they started. Your soldiers, infrastructure and technology we perfectly happy not being destroyed before this war happened, don't you feel you should be compensated for their sacrifice? While I don't like their decision I'll respect that they did stick to their convictions regardless of the damage they took. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 It was a pleasure fighting by our allies side and I'm glad Kronos could serve it's purpose in this war. Valhalla entered the war through a defensive treaty and honored their commitment and were competent adversaries who handled themselves professionally for the most part. While those in "Karma" may not be happy with the terms we put forth, we find them to be fair. We may not have "stolen" 10,000 tech like they wanted us to (which they were condeming Valhalla for doing in the noCB war - but now they want us to do?) as we do not see it as our role to play World Police for past historical crimes (or we might have to go hunting down some on the Karma side... ) but we did offer terms that matched our values and fit the situation - I appreciate everyones public outcries and concern, but last I checked the deficit bug had been fixed, so I wouldn't be too worried about a GWI flash-back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicalTrevor Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 So this is how the Karma coalition fails. The Hegemony is defeated on the battlefield but wins the war of propaganda. Either these alliances granting peace have been shamed into giving far too lenient terms or they actually have come to believe they are not entitled to reparations when forced into a war started by Hegemony aggression. If anything terms like this will encourage alliances of dubious moral character to pursue aggressive actions without fear of any real punishment.Karma, your hand was forced. While crushing reparations would only lead to more conflict the Hegemony should shoulder some burden for the war they started. Your soldiers, infrastructure and technology we perfectly happy not being destroyed before this war happened, don't you feel you should be compensated for their sacrifice? My point but made better. And without Karma falling. And more words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 It was a pleasure fighting by our allies side and I'm glad Kronos could serve it's purpose in this war. Valhalla entered the war through a defensive treaty and honored their commitment and were competent adversaries who handled themselves professionally for the most part. While those in "Karma" may not be happy with the terms we put forth, we find them to be fair. We may not have "stolen" 10,000 tech like they wanted us to (which they were condeming Valhalla for doing in the noCB war - but now they want us to do?) as we do not see it as our role to play World Police for past historical crimes (or we might have to go hunting down some on the Karma side... ) but we did offer terms that matched our values and fit the situation - I appreciate everyones public outcries and concern, but last I checked the deficit bug had been fixed, so I wouldn't be too worried about a GWI flash-back. Valhalla are a core member of the Hegemony we all fought to topple, they are not the bit-player you are trying to claim they are. But what good are facts when dishing up hot cups of smug! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rajistani Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Wow. I'm actually coming around to the Karma Coalition... You moved above President Obama (in real life, not the one in Gramlins or w/e) on my list if that means anything to you. But I should warn you Obama's not that high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krull Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 It was a pleasure fighting by our allies side and I'm glad Kronos could serve it's purpose in this war. Valhalla entered the war through a defensive treaty and honored their commitment and were competent adversaries who handled themselves professionally for the most part. While those in "Karma" may not be happy with the terms we put forth, we find them to be fair. We may not have "stolen" 10,000 tech like they wanted us to (which they were condeming Valhalla for doing in the noCB war - but now they want us to do?) as we do not see it as our role to play World Police for past historical crimes (or we might have to go hunting down some on the Karma side... ) but we did offer terms that matched our values and fit the situation - I appreciate everyones public outcries and concern, but last I checked the deficit bug had been fixed, so I wouldn't be too worried about a GWI flash-back. No. Valhalla was condemned for stealing 10K tech from an alliance that, at the end of the war was 350K NS strong and held no blame for the war. Any terms=evil terms, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobgoblin70 Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 While I don't like their decision I'll respect that they did stick to their convictions regardless of the damage they took. I don't respect it...this is akin to being jumped by a mugger, fighting them off and telling them to go home and think about what they've done. As there is no world police to be called, they need to know there is a risk for their behavior. Without the prospect of punishment for one's actions there is little incentive for them to change their ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krull Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 (edited) I don't respect it...this is akin to being jumped by a mugger, fighting them off and telling them to go home and think about what they've done. As there is no world police to be called, they need to know there is a risk for their behavior. Without the prospect of punishment for one's actions there is little incentive for them to change their ways. Different strokes for different folks. Edited May 11, 2009 by Krull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeooh Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I'm glad you revel in the disappointment of your coalition partners. Something about staring into an abyss and it staring back. Something about the Valhallan front wearing sunglasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heracles the Great Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Valhalla are a core member of the Hegemony we all fought to topple, they are not the bit-player you are trying to claim they are. But what good are facts when dishing up hot cups of smug! The same Hegemony that we're fighting beside in several cases? There was such public outcry over Valhalla "extorting" tech from an alliance that entered into the "noCB" war on a treaty, but now you want us to do the same in the name of "Karma"? Sorry - I don't agree with that. I can see your point of view Tyga, don't get me wrong - but that doesn't mean I agree with it. No.Valhalla was condemned for stealing 10K tech from an alliance that, at the end of the war was 350K NS strong and held no blame for the war. Any terms=evil terms, right? They were condemned for "stealing 10k tech" but now we're expected to do the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krull Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Something about staring into an abyss and it staring back. Something about the Valhallan front wearing sunglasses. Hello, Fredo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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