Executive Minister Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Far as I can tell, there's no penalty for failed spy rolls.Successful rolls get you into the nation and get some basic information about obtaining your goal. After that it's all RP. Make a mistake, and the roll means nothing. Ok, great. Would this mean I'd be able to do tangible damage to my target, or just find out information? Also, what is the policy on attempting on a National leader's life? Attempting, not taking, as I understand that most would not want a simple spy roll to allow another to kill their character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahsir Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Ok, great. Would this mean I'd be able to do tangible damage to my target, or just find out information? Also, what is the policy on attempting on a National leader's life? Attempting, not taking, as I understand that most would not want a simple spy roll to allow another to kill their character. Successful spy roll or not there is no killing of national leaders without the RPer's consent. Unless their leader is in a flaming plane with clothing doused in gasoline while 20 nuclear bombs hit their position, and the RPer put them in that dangerous position, knowingly, in the first place. Then they are dead, consent or no. Nuke a capital, and its still on consent basis though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 and the RPer put them in that dangerous position, knowingly, in the first place. That's the only criteria, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Ok, great. Would this mean I'd be able to do tangible damage to my target, or just find out information? Also, what is the policy on attempting on a National leader's life? Attempting, not taking, as I understand that most would not want a simple spy roll to allow another to kill their character. Would I be able to force my target to RP a scenario where an operative of mine gets within spitting distance of her target, only to be hindered at the last second? A success would be for my operative to quickly escape the situation and make it back to the NoN without my target finding out where the assassin came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Would I be able to force my target to RP a scenario where an operative of mine gets within spitting distance of her target, only to be hindered at the last second? A success would be for my operative to quickly escape the situation and make it back to the NoN without my target finding out where the assassin came from. You would still have to do the spy roll and RP out the attempt, but yes, you could, as long as you RP'd it out properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 You would still have to do the spy roll and RP out the attempt, but yes, you could, as long as you RP'd it out properly. And he would have the capability to counter spy roll to expose your operation.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) You would still have to do the spy roll and RP out the attempt, but yes, you could, as long as you RP'd it out properly. Ok great. If I have time within the week I will post my Roll request. Edited December 3, 2009 by Executive Minister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 And he would have the capability to counter spy roll to expose your operation.. That's something no one ever said before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodesia Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Shouldn't a failed roll result in the spy getting caught? Think about the entire purpose, rolling would not be to find out it can be done, it would be finding out if it worked, there is an automatic attempt in real life, and in game you do not have the option to 'see if it will work' in game or in real life. The entire mechanic insinuates that there has to be a spy attempt in the first place, erego, a failed spy attempt would result in a captured spy, not a mulligan. Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 That's something no one ever said before. If all spy rolls have no drawback to them, why don't we just use spy rolls all the time? I could try to hack into RSSN and if I fail, who cares? I can keep doing it until I get it right because the way it is now, the system is spammable and the rolls are just an inconvenience until you actually get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) And he would have the capability to counter spy roll to expose your operation.. The whole point of the roll's success is not that I kill my target leader, but that when I fail, the operative escapes unharmed and unidentified... who would my target select to spy on if they are not meta gaming? Also, this was hypothetical at most, and I intended to follow the standing rules on spy rolls, hence, no penalties XD PS: I've talked to my 'target' and we both deemed my idea a good one, but for the future... I renegg my above post. Edited December 3, 2009 by Executive Minister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Lynneth can you please provide full details on these stealth planes here. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Lynneth can you please provide full details on these stealth planes here. Thank you. Look into my factbook. But because I'm nice, I'm gonna post their specs here. The COFFIN System. Made possible by cameras mounted around the aircraft's Pilot Center and body, along with an array of screens, patterned in a 360-degree sphere within the pilot center. The pilot is also completely conscious and not connected to their aircraft. The Pilot Center's Front Panels somewhat reduce the pilots view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Look into my factbook. But because I'm nice, I'm gonna post their specs here. The COFFIN System. Made possible by cameras mounted around the aircraft's Pilot Center and body, along with an array of screens, patterned in a 360-degree sphere within the pilot center. The pilot is also completely conscious and not connected to their aircraft. The Pilot Center's Front Panels somewhat reduce the pilots view. Thanks. I had known it was in your fact book I wouldn't have asked sorry. However, none of those details describe how it is a stealth craft so could you explain how it is please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Thanks. I had known it was in your fact book I wouldn't have asked sorry. However, none of those details describe how it is a stealth craft so could you explain how it is please. Look at the shape. The interior hardpoints. Then go to wiki and read up on what mades stealthy planes stealthy. Amongst these things is "being almost invisible to radar", "radar-absorbing materials", and others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Look at the shape. The interior hardpoints. Then go to wiki and read up on what mades stealthy planes stealthy. Amongst these things is "being almost invisible to radar", "radar-absorbing materials", and others. I guessed that you would have that but your description states that it also has exterior hardpoints which I am guessing would at the very least reduce the aircraft's ability for stealth unless of course you arn't using them but then why have them on the aircraft? Other than that I can find no problems with your aircraft or the RP made, though I can now see many players spam building their aircraft into stealth aircraft and having no losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) I guessed that you would have that but your description states that it also has exterior hardpoints which I am guessing would at the very least reduce the aircraft's ability for stealth unless of course you arn't using them but then why have them on the aircraft?Other than that I can find no problems with your aircraft or the RP made, though I can now see many players spam building their aircraft into stealth aircraft and having no losses. The exterior hardpoints are optional, obviously. They can be opened to attach a missile, but can also be closed. Like with any such plane. There's also numerous things you can use against stealth. Anti-measures, etc. But those I will let you find out yourself. Edited December 3, 2009 by Lynneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Anti-radar isn't ground-breaking technology... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 The exterior hardpoints are optional, obviously. They can be opened to attach a missile, but can also be closed. Like with any such plane. There's also numerous things you can use against stealth. Anti-measures, etc. But those I will let you find out yourself. Pro-tip to beat stealth: Very low frequency RADAR. That will give you a location on the plane and then you can use your higher frequency RADAR to zero in on the plane/planes and track it. It's how the Bosnians shot down a F-117. Only problem is low frequency RADAR dishes are very, VERY big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Pro-tip to beat stealth: Very low frequency RADAR. That will give you a location on the plane and then you can use your higher frequency RADAR to zero in on the plane/planes and track it. It's how the Bosnians shot down a F-117. Only problem is low frequency RADAR dishes are very, VERY big. AKA, big targets... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 AKA, big targets... Indeed. But it's a cheap, low-tech way of detecting stealth. And if you hide them well enough, they aren't as obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Indeed. But it's a cheap, low-tech way of detecting stealth. And if you hide them well enough, they aren't as obvious. Uh-huh...sure, so you say... JK, I know if you're creative you can find a way to hide them. But you have to be VERY creative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Uh-huh...sure, so you say...JK, I know if you're creative you can find a way to hide them. But you have to be VERY creative. I usually choose to hide mine in cities or by SAM and AAA sites, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Well you have to take in account late 70s technology in the F-117, it is quite likely a more modern force would be less easily taken down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Well you have to take in account late 70s technology in the F-117, it is quite likely a more modern force would be less easily taken down. Trying to say that a more advanced nation would have more advanced stealth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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