Heavy is the Head That Wears the Crown--A TPC DoW

[Warhammer]

 

Maybe I felt a little weird...until I hit my guys and they had more money than me :P

 

I know where this conversation is going, so this is probably where I check out. Look, the title says it all. You had almost unprecedented success the last three rounds. I'm not going to sit here and shed tears for anyone, especially when they fight and build as a unit the way you do. People who are really worth being at the top don't crumble at the first sign of trouble. I don't think you will, and if I'm proven right then the war is worth it. 

I am going to have to call you on this statement KJ.

 

You have just conducted a spy operation against the nation of Union Algo. In the attack your spy efforts were successful as your spies were able to gather the following information about the nation:

Desired Religion: Taoism
Desired Government: Revolutionary Government
Threat Level: Low 
Tax Rate: 28%
Number of Spies: 250
Last Nuke Purchase: None
Last Wonder Purchase: 4/23/2015
Total Money: $33,624,349
Technology: 329.30 Levels
Last Bill Payment: 4/26/2015 12:37:55 AM
Trade Partners: Limits, utown, Kegkiller, The last Squirrel, bibliotech
Military XP Ratings: Army XP: 2, Navy XP: 0, Air Force XP: 0, Intelligence XP: 0
Assigned Generals: None
Total Aircraft: 60
Aircraft Fighter Strength: 385
Aircraft Bomber Strength: 35
 

You only have to look at the awards pages to see what your 3 opponents war chests are atm and I am afraid to say none are equal to or more than the above.

 

I think you already know that the 3 people you hit will fight till the last pixel. No matter what the cost to the rest of their round.

We catch hell for doing so all the time from the other "powers that be" at Avengers.

Hell I can't even spell the word tuttle so I am certain you wont be seeing any of that. Though you did manage to skirt around the nuclear thing I mentioned in my above post.

We going for what could be a round killer for both alliances or what? Inquiring minds want to know.  ;)

Edited April 28, 2015 by Warhammer

[Ezeriel]

lol, he has double my WC right now. This is going to be fun.

 

Thanks for the stats though :)

 

KJ - the main one bringing up the war from last round is DT haha. We're quite happy to let things be and just deal with this war as it goes. 

[Burning Glory]

I don't have to tell myself anything, you rolled all of the danger players in TPC except for Rock n Rolla. It took them weeks to recover but you can keep telling yourself whatever you'd like.
 
You didn't create a coalition but you did concentrate a group of experience and advanced players into a single alliance, most of whom look like they're ex-players returning for an easy ride. I found it strange that you invited new players from SE this round to burn for you, I'm sure you knew this was coming, why set them up?
 
What you've created would be equivalent to TPC, OP ,D1 ,WDs and Misfits taking their most experienced and active players and uniting them to form one alliance but why would they go to those extreme lengths? Unless they wanted to dominate everyone and win everything which i still stand behind is the primary purpose of Avengers and that is to funnel donations to SE nations, one of whom i know is the # 1 ranked SE nation and i know this because i was suppose to have a donation sent to him.
 
Anyway we know whats going on and has been, no need to try and justify your actions now, its too late for that.

  
Do you even read the SHIAT you post? You don't even know what your talking about "weeks to recover".
But hey since you brought it up, at least TPC had weeks to recover!

So your saying between TOC, OP, D1, WD, and Misfits they only have 17-18 good nation builders and fighters?
Well first I'm going to tell you that is the second most stupidest and BS comment you have ever made, second only to
you saying you don't lie and blah, blah, blah!

Hippocrates are always the first to say it's fair and make up a reason why, yet the first to cry if the same would happen to them.

What is wrong with you? You used to be an Avenger.
Did Stevie sleep with you and never call or something? I ask as I have only seen this level of hate and revenge seeking before from a woman scorned.
 
And I 100% agree with Stevie about how you just make shiat up to suit whatever story you are telling atm.
I remember the war you are talking about with TPC and I also remember how 5 of our top guys (including myself) never declared on a single TPC nation due to orders from DD (man is he regretting that decision now) as he had quite a bit of respect for TPC and their leader. (hell he might still have it but after this stunt I really can't see how)
How is it that someone such as yourself that notices every crap that an Avenger takes does not remember those facts about that war? Is it because it would make that war seem a hell of a lot fairer than this one that you leave out those facts?

 And instead all I see is DT spreading her lies and BS in here just like she has in EVERY fricking thread that even mentions the Avengers.
I can't be the only person in TE that is tired of seeing her wall of texts in every damn thread with our name in it am I?

  

Lol, I think your on to something here WH....some women can't handle being called out on their BS especially if they look the fool!

And no you are definitely not the only one, it's her BS that got me to become a "cheer leader" as she puts it.
Trust me other people think this war is undeserved.

I am going to have to call you on this statement KJ.
 
[font=Verdana, arial, 'san-serif']You have just conducted a spy operation against the nation of Union Algo. In the attack your spy efforts were successful as your spies were able to gather the following information about the nation:[/size][/font]
Desired Religion: Taoism
Desired Government: Revolutionary Government
Threat Level: Low 
Tax Rate: 28%
Number of Spies: 250
Last Nuke Purchase: None
Last Wonder Purchase: 4/23/2015Total Money: $33,624,349
Technology: 329.30 Levels
Last Bill Payment: 4/26/2015 12:37:55 AM
Trade Partners: Limits, utown, Kegkiller, The last Squirrel, bibliotech
Military XP Ratings: Army XP: 2, Navy XP: 0, Air Force XP: 0, Intelligence XP: 0
Assigned Generals: None
Total Aircraft: 60
Aircraft Fighter Strength: 385
Aircraft Bomber Strength: 35
 
You only have to look at the awards pages to see what your 3 opponents war chests are atm and I am afraid to say none are equal to or more than the above.
 
I think you already know that the 3 people you hit will fight till the last pixel. No matter what the cost to the rest of their round.
We catch hell for doing so all the time from the other "powers that be" at Avengers.
Hell I can't even spell the word tuttle so I am certain you wont be seeing any of that. Though you did manage to skirt around the nuclear thing I mentioned in my above post.
We going for what could be a round killer for both alliances or what? Inquiring minds want to know.  ;)

Everyone knows the plot and bloc that took place between TPC, D1, WD, and misfits....they all know.
Any noob can see this was a huge down declare (definitely not the honorable TPC I know and Luv).
But I will try not to put my foot into my mouth when I say, TPC is NO "D1", as bad as this is, and looks on TPC's part,
I believe they know what bringing nukes into this would create.

BG

[yung flow]

When did misfits get a contract with WD, TPC, and D1? Learn something new about my own alliance everyday.

[Ezeriel]

When did misfits get a contract with WD, TPC, and D1? Learn something new about my own alliance everyday.

Now you know how I feel when people keep telling me about all these things that tA do. 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

What is wrong with you? You used to be an Avenger.

Did Stevie sleep with you and never call or something? I ask as I have only seen this level of hate and revenge seeking before from a woman scorned.

 

And I 100% agree with Stevie about how you just make shiat up to suit whatever story you are telling atm.

I remember the war you are talking about with TPC and I also remember how 5 of our top guys (including myself) never declared on a single TPC nation due to orders from DD (man is he regretting that decision now) as he had quite a bit of respect for TPC and their leader. (hell he might still have it but after this stunt I really can't see how)

How is it that someone such as yourself that notices every crap that an Avenger takes does not remember those facts about that war? Is it because it would make that war seem a hell of a lot fairer than this one that you leave out those facts?

 

And before you keep on spreading your lies and BS about Stevie and what you claim the Avengers are all about just know that I still have all 5 of my donations.

Put $150.00 in my PayPal account and I will have all 5 of them applied to your SE nation.

And for the record Stevie used his winnings to donate for 5 of us in the alliance, including yours truly, Das, Tim, DD and either The Vision or Logan X if memory serves me correct. (correct me on this one if I am wrong guys) Yeah that is truly a man who is playing for nothing but SE donations isn't it?

 

btw I am sorry for posting DD as I have refrained from even reading the OWF for over a month now but I just wanted to see how TPC was spinning this attack on us and I really just wanted to see if there was any mention if this conflict is going nuclear or not before update rolls around and everyone but us starts buying up MPs and nukes.

And instead all I see is DT spreading her lies and BS in here just like she has in EVERY fricking thread that even mentions the Avengers.

I can't be the only person in TE that is tired of seeing her wall of texts in every damn thread with our name in it am I?

Just give it a break will you Daenerys Targaryen?

If you hate Stevie so much then just go over to his house and shoot through his windows like every girl I have ever wronged has done to me and quit the damn hate posting like a crazy love scorned biotch. :gun:  :lol1:

It is truly getting old my dear.    nuff said

Lets not pretend i was only addressing Stevie, I was addressing Avengers which means all of you in every one of my post so quit with the BS your spouting about some obsession with Stevie. Stevie was once again the first to complain, i started by addressing that complaint.

 

Just because you didn't use 5 of your top nations against TPC does not change the fact you rolled them while taking minimal damage. Do you really think people are going to fall for this BS, and of all alliances, TPC? The reality is you's didn't need to commit anymore resources towards TPC because you already had your foot on their throats and your hit on them while they had minimal defenses up and low war chest levels was intended to stall their growth so you wouldn't have to fight a competitive TPC later. You've been doing this to TPC, WD and OP every round since your founding, you don't play TE for fair wars, you play to dominate everyone before they can grow enough to compete against Avengers so it makes winning everything very easy.You can pretend this is not what Avengers are about all you want but many on this side see it exactly like that.

 

You think you can play everyone for a fool and get way with this by posting BS on the forums to justify those actions and accuse anyone calling it out to be liars, then you're only fooling yourselves.

 

 

Proof?

 

Seriously, the only person who's saying they were hit by econ spy ops is you. Do you have any evidence of this other than "I heard this happened from another player". Any spy report logs? Anything? If not, I'm just going to assume that this is BS from you :)

 

But anyway, I wouldn't be surprised that you all would be so occupied with keeping us down that you let TDO win the round, because they're well on their way to doing that right now with highest score, highest NS and second highest Avg. NS :P

 

PS. No stats, really? Fine, I'll provide mine:

 

TPC

Members: 27

NS: 231,465

Avg. NS: 8,573

 

Avengers

Members: 24

NS: 155,441

Avg. NS: 6,477

TDO has never down declared anyone or hit others while they were at war so while i can't speak for everyone regarding them, i don't think anyone has anything against them. They had nations alliance hop to help Avengers against TPC/OP last round which some felt sour about but so far they have stuck to TE principles and have not interfered in any of your wars as of yet. If they continue to grow and prosper then good for them, the amount of nations temp trading there matches your own, it really is quite a feat. We have issues and delays temping for just a handful of us, this organization could possibly only be matched by those running a 1000ft aircraft carrier. Most alliances can't get a complete set of temps yet here we have an alliance with multiple sets, impressive!

 

Edit: I forgot to add but if you really want to know if TPC nations were hit with econ ops then why don't you message Rock n Rolla/Limits and find out for yourself? I'm sure they'll tell you if you asked. Chasing unknown op messages are probably long gone by now so you'll have to take their word for it. I know nobody that would question their honesty, also ask Fatal as well and see if he was spied while you're at it, he had his ops forwarded to a number of people as a early warning to defend your nations.

 

 

lol, he has double my WC right now. This is going to be fun.

 

Thanks for the stats though :)

 

KJ - the main one bringing up the war from last round is DT haha. We're quite happy to let things be and just deal with this war as it goes. 

Yes i bought it up because it was a good example of your own down declares against TPC.

 

 

I see BG is still talking BS and cheer leading for Avengers like he does in every Avenger thread. No one cares what you have to say noob!

Edited April 28, 2015 by Daenerys Targaryen

[Lord Hitchcock]

being an un-biased 3rd party in this matter, isn't it a little &$(#*$ up that TPC is hitting Avengers after they literally just fought against 2 other alliances and also receiving controversial dirty spy ops?

 

it's a little ridiculous. I'd rather see the community 'copy' avengers for their ability to grow so fast rather than 'punish' them for going the extra mile.

 

Yes, I get it, everyone wants to batter them into submission for winning the last few rounds- but at the same time- they are quite ethical. I remember fighting an avengers nation last round and he hit after peace was negotiated- and rather than being a $*)#_ about it, he apologized and offered to donate to my nation.

 

So anyway- I hope Avengers prevails- TPC has never done anything anyway (expect pretend to hold relevance)

Edited April 28, 2015 by Lord Hitchcock

[Daenerys Targaryen]

being an un-biased 3rd party in this matter, isn't it a little &$(#*$ up that TPC is hitting Avengers after they literally just fought against 2 other alliances and also receiving controversial dirty spy ops?

 

it's a little ridiculous. I'd rather see the community 'copy' avengers for their ability to grow so fast rather than 'punish' them for going the extra mile.

 

Yes, I get it, everyone wants to batter them into submission for winning the last few rounds- but at the same time- they are quite ethical. I remember fighting an avengers nation last round and he hit after peace was negotiated- and rather than being a $*)#_ about it, he apologized and offered to donate to my nation.

 

So anyway- I hope Avengers prevails- TPC has never done anything anyway (expect pretend they hold relevance)

Its not so much for winning but for how they're winning.

 

Many consider their unconventional tactics underhanded and immoral to achieve these round wins.  If you watched them closely, their early wars are very calculating,  because they mass donate/temp, they're able to use this economic advantage to stall others still trying to get their nations off the ground so they can't offer Avengers a real fight later. They know they can never hold down a full strength, TPC, WD, and OP at the same time so they shut them down early.

 

When i was an Avengers, we hit WD's with nukes while they had nil MP's and nil SDI's, and after they bought wonders so they really couldn't do anything even with double our nation count, i believe they use this war as an example of their biggest up-declare ever. This is an inside example of how calculating and underhanded Avengers operate. 

 

Their words don't mean anything if their actions contradict their words.

 

They play all the cards when it suits them, the pity cards, the rage quitting cards, you name it but like i said, its the actions that matter the most to everyone and its the actions of their alliance, not on a individual level, no matter how many charities they donated too , only the alliance matters at the end of the day.

 

They had 3 rounds before anyone did anything about the same BS they pulled in all of those 3 rounds. They cried about they were going to wait this time but only after D1/WD rolled them.

[DaarioNaharis]

 

 

If you hate Stevie so much then just go over to his house and shoot through his windows like every girl I have ever wronged has done to me and quit the damn hate posting like a crazy love scorned biotch.

I think Stevie would rather have her complaining in the forum :D man you wronged some pretty messed up girls :D

 

Its not so much for winning but for how they're winning.

 

Many consider their unconventional tactics underhanded and immoral to achieve these round wins.  If you watched them closely, their early wars are very calculating,  because they mass donate/temp, they're able to use this economic advantage to stall others still trying to get their nations off the ground so they can't offer Avengers a real fight later. They know they can never hold down a full strength, TPC, WD, and OP at the same time so they shut them down early.

 

When i was an Avengers, we hit WD's with nukes while they had nil MP's and nil SDI's, and after they bought wonders so they really couldn't do anything even with double our nation count, i believe they use this war as an example of their biggest up-declare ever. This is an inside example of how calculating and underhanded Avengers operate. 

 

Their words don't mean anything if their actions contradict their words.

 

They play all the cards when it suits them, the pity cards, the rage quitting cards, you name it but like i said, its the actions that matter the most to everyone and its the actions of their alliance, not on a individual level, no matter how many charities they donated too , only the alliance matters at the end of the day.

 

They had 3 rounds before anyone did anything about the same BS they pulled in all of those 3 rounds. They cried about they were going to wait this time but only after D1/WD rolled them.

DT, it seems to me that you only complain about down declares if the avengers are doing it, but if people are doing it to the avengers you cheer that.

and please don't use the media article  key words crap like "Many consider" which is equivalent to "some people say" "experts believe" and means nothing.

you want me to draw conclusion about what you say you'll have to use numbers, exactly how many people consider...? 

Edited April 28, 2015 by Dario

[Daenerys Targaryen]

I think Stevie would rather have her complaining in the forum :D man you wronged some pretty messed up girls :D

 

DT, it seems to me that you only complain about down declares if the avengers are doing it, but if people are doing it to the avengers you cheer that.

and please don't use the media article  key words crap like "Many consider" which is equivalent to "some people say" "experts believe" and means nothing.

you want me to draw conclusion about what you say you'll have to use numbers, exactly how many people consider...? 

You are 100% right and I've stated this many times, I don't discriminate unless you do it to others.

 

Why are they allowed to down declare alliances but when it happens to them, they complain about it? This is the same concept as using econ ops and having those ops returned and them complaining bout you doing it back. You all have your morals wrong, i don't and i stand by those morals anyday and everyday. Go back to the old threads where we had these dramas with OP/WD's , even then i held the same beliefs and stated it many times over.

[Ahmad alMansur]

You all have your morals wrong, i don't

So... you're right and everyone else is wrong? lol k

[Daenerys Targaryen]

So... you're right and everyone else is wrong? lol k

Say what you want but I'm not the one getting rolled by multiple alliances.

[Daenerys Targaryen]

And for the record Stevie used his winnings to donate for 5 of us in the alliance, including yours truly, Das, Tim, DD and either The Vision or Logan X if memory serves me correct. (correct me on this one if I am wrong guys) Yeah that is truly a man who is playing for nothing but SE donations isn't it?

But this only confirms what i said, your funneling donations to SE nations in return for TE donations.

[Ahmad alMansur]

Say what you want but I'm not the one getting rolled by multiple alliances.

Lol, this isn't the first time I've been in an alliance rolled by TPC, and D1 was a cakewalk, only Fatal outdamaged in that war, and I was down-declared by three nations twice my size :P

 

I'm not a builder, I'm a fighter. I don't care if my precious temporary pixels get destroyed, that's part of the fun for me.

[StevieG]

Its not so much for winning but for how they're winning.

 

Many consider their unconventional tactics underhanded and immoral to achieve these round wins.  If you watched them closely, their early wars are very calculating,  because they mass donate/temp, they're able to use this economic advantage to stall others still trying to get their nations off the ground so they can't offer Avengers a real fight later. They know they can never hold down a full strength, TPC, WD, and OP at the same time so they shut them down early.

 

When i was an Avengers, we hit WD's with nukes while they had nil MP's and nil SDI's, and after they bought wonders so they really couldn't do anything even with double our nation count, i believe they use this war as an example of their biggest up-declare ever. This is an inside example of how calculating and underhanded Avengers operate. 

 

Their words don't mean anything if their actions contradict their words.

 

They play all the cards when it suits them, the pity cards, the rage quitting cards, you name it but like i said, its the actions that matter the most to everyone and its the actions of their alliance, not on a individual level, no matter how many charities they donated too , only the alliance matters at the end of the day.

 

They had 3 rounds before anyone did anything about the same BS they pulled in all of those 3 rounds. They cried about they were going to wait this time but only after D1/WD rolled them.

Saved. Il edit this post when I have the time to be bothered digging through old logs/threads, and once again using facts to back up my claims.

You are 100% wrong. And I will outline point by point how.

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Lol, this isn't the first time I've been in an alliance rolled by TPC, and D1 was a cakewalk, only Fatal outdamaged in that war, and I was down-declared by three nations twice my size :P

 

I'm not a builder, I'm a fighter. I don't care if my precious temporary pixels get destroyed, that's part of the fun for me.

My point is, if I'm wrong then why is it you's that are getting rolled by multiple alliances? None of you want to admit to any wrong doings so these alliances that are managed by probably the most honorable people in TE, are doing it just for fun? There are reasons behind the declarations and all of them felt they had been wronged by you's which is a nice way to say it.

 

I haven't played for the last 2 rounds so what dirty tactics have i been using exactly? You really think making me out to be the bad person is going to prevent these alliances from coming after you? I'd say it has the opposite effect because you're really only insulting them by denying the truth.

 

 

Saved. Il edit this post when I have the time to be bothered digging through old logs/threads, and once again using facts to back up my claims.

You are 100% wrong. And I will outline point by point how.

I look forward to seeing these manipulated copy/paste jobs you've been good at presenting as your evidence in the past.

[PrincessKitty]

i would like to say sumthing,

you kidz r just jealous that the avengers are better at you at everything. Better builders and better fighters (with a few exceptions like me, fatality, and a few others). So yall spy, gang bang, rape, and declare errday cause YOU ARE SCARED TO FACE THEM IN A REAL BATTLE. You are such pussies.

[Daenerys Targaryen]

i would like to say sumthing,

you kidz r just jealous that the avengers are better at you at everything. Better builders and better fighters (with a few exceptions like me, fatality, and a few others). So yall spy, gang bang, rape, and declare errday cause YOU ARE SCARED TO FACE THEM IN A REAL BATTLE. You are such !@#$%*^.

Are you trying out for the Avenger cheer squad?

[King James XVIII]

Dang, my business ALL out in the street now :p

Well I can say I don't have nearly the same cash, air, or nukes (Logan) to consider myself a favorite in my wars.

[yung flow]

i would like to say sumthing,
you kidz r just jealous that the avengers are better at you at everything. Better builders and better fighters (with a few exceptions like me, fatality, and a few others). So yall spy, gang bang, rape, and declare errday cause YOU ARE SCARED TO FACE THEM IN A REAL BATTLE. You are such !@#$%*^.

They scared too :)

[Warhammer]

Its not so much for winning but for how they're winning.

 

Many consider their unconventional tactics underhanded and immoral to achieve these round wins.  If you watched them closely, their early wars are very calculating,  because they mass donate/temp, they're able to use this economic advantage to stall others still trying to get their nations off the ground so they can't offer Avengers a real fight later. They know they can never hold down a full strength, TPC, WD, and OP at the same time so they shut them down early.

 

When i was an Avengers, we hit WD's with nukes while they had nil MP's and nil SDI's, and after they bought wonders so they really couldn't do anything even with double our nation count, i believe they use this war as an example of their biggest up-declare ever. This is an inside example of how calculating and underhanded Avengers operate. 

So what you are saying is we are using planning and strategies here in TE and not just running about all willy nilly?  :frantic:

How dare we!!

And doing so when it clearly states in the game rules that no planning and strategies whatsoever shall ever be used here in CNTE.

Good thing DD and Admin went to different schools together or we would all be in dutch wouldn't we?  :P

 

And about the above war you mentioned. How exactly did Stevie make you fight in that war?

Was that the same war that you had some ungodly amount of tech and you were told to quit nuking people as you were destroying too much infra?

Not to mention that made you mad when you were told to do so.

Again the woman scorned thing is becoming clearer by the minute.

 

And before you write me in game DD to jump on me for posting, I already know.

Another month in the hole with no OWF reading.  :(

[Daenerys Targaryen]

So what you are saying is we are using planning and strategies here in TE and not just running about all willy nilly?  :frantic:

How dare we!!

And doing so when it clearly states in the game rules that no planning and strategies whatsoever shall ever be used here in CNTE.

Good thing DD and Admin went to different schools together or we would all be in dutch wouldn't we?  :P

 

And about the above war you mentioned. How exactly did Stevie make you fight in that war?

Was that the same war that you had some ungodly amount of tech and you were told to quit nuking people as you were destroying too much infra?

Not to mention that made you mad when you were told to do so.

Again the woman scorned thing is becoming clearer by the minute.

 

And before you write me in game DD to jump on me for posting, I already know.

Another month in the hole with no OWF reading.  :(

No one has anything against planning and strategies, like i said, its how you're doing it.

 

But keep trying buddy, this attempt was a lot better than the attempt to undermine me using some type of Stevie obsession.

 

I fought WD's at the time and i rolled as many of them as i could, after all the BS they pulled on Misfits in earlier rounds with OP, i couldn't wait to give some back and i never denied i didn't fight in that war. We bought MP's while they had no MP's or SDI's but triple our nation count and double our NS, but keep in mind we both went into the war with zero nukes as MP's were bought on the last second. That is why we could hit them and if my memory serves me right, we crushed them because of this military wonder advantage and OP who attacked 3 days later with +90 nukes, with the help of D1 nations. Stevie can pull all the logs he wants but it doesn't change the fact that is what Avengers planned and executed.

 

How exactly did Stevie make you fight in that war? Not that it matters but I'm pretty sure there was a target list.

[PrincessKitty]

Are you trying out for the Avenger cheer squad?

I'm their #1 slut

[DaarioNaharis]

You are 100% right and I've stated this many times, I don't discriminate unless you do it to others.

 

Why are they allowed to down declare alliances but when it happens to them, they complain about it? This is the same concept as using econ ops and having those ops returned and them complaining bout you doing it back. You all have your morals wrong, i don't and i stand by those morals anyday and everyday. Go back to the old threads where we had these dramas with OP/WD's , even then i held the same beliefs and stated it many times over.

Alright, if i get your point right, you think if the somebody down declares on the avengers it is treating them with their own medicine and that is why you are for it. if that is your point, i disagree.

assuming you are right about the avengers,

if somebody down declares on the the down declaring avengers then that somebody is also a down declarer just like the avengers and does not deserve cheering,

in other words, if you are against down declaring, encouraging down declaring even when it is done to down declarers doesn't make you moral, it makes you a hypocrite (meaning no judgment or offense to hypocrites ;-) ) 

 

my main question is, assuming the avengers learned their lesson and became "fair", wouldn't just another alliance replace them and be the new down declaring alliance? maybe even the alliance you cheered for when they down declared on the avengers?

 

i don't know, you people have played more than me, was there ever a round without a down declaring alliance? 

Edited April 28, 2015 by Dario

[King James XVIII]

Alright, if i get your point right, you think if the somebody down declares on the avengers it is treating them with their own medicine and that is why you are for it. if that is your point, i disagree.

assuming you are right about the avengers,

if somebody down declares on the the down declaring avengers then that somebody is also a down declarer just like the avengers and does not deserve cheering,

in other words, if you are against down declaring, encouraging down declaring even when it is done to down declarers doesn't make you moral, it makes you a hypocrite (meaning no judgment or offense to hypocrites ;-) ) 

 

my main question is, assuming the avengers learned their lesson and became "fair", wouldn't just another alliance replace them and be the new down declaring alliance? maybe even the alliance you cheered for when they down declared on the avengers?

 

i don't know, you people have played more than me, was there ever a round without a down declaring alliance? 

 

Nope, and there will never be such a round. When I led a long time ago, I actively tried to have some sense of morality and implored people to adopt it, even tried to impose it at times.

 

Then I grew up. I realized that in this world Might is Right. This truth will set us free.