Enamel32

Sorry Cuba, I didn't see your post pop up. My above post was intended for bhane. Anyway, Sorry bruh, it's the internet and I'll quote you if I want to. If you don't want to be quoted.....I guess....don't post. I'm making this blog entree and ya'll are trying to twist my words. Bhane is trying to play my hand for 650M (lol), but I'm not getting bent out of shape about it! I'm not putting a propagandist spin on anything. I'm quoting what you said, and I'm saying what I think of it based on my own perspective and experiences with your alliance. You are more than welcome to make your own blog, and set the record straight, but I'm going to say what I want to say, and that's that. Everyone else get's to say what they want on these boards, why don't I get to say what I want to say?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You're alright guy. I like you.

Lol, get out of my thread. EDIT: And I presume that means you would accept the 650Mil. Ok then.....

6 slots* 50 tech * 36 aid periods per year = 10800 tech divide that by two to account for the 3M payout. That's over 5K tech a year.....if you are perfectly efficient. You'd trade that for 650M? You're answer better be no, because that would quite possibly be the worst trade ever.

I'm not sending you aid. I'm merely posting a hypothetical, which you're not answering. Are you willing to not tech trade for a year for 650M? It's a simple yes or no question.

I'm not trying to be threatening. I'm just saying, staying allied to DH seems like a terrible idea. Considering, Umb seems to believe that they can exist as top dog when their allies are marginalized. @ bhane, hey man, Cuba may not be in charge of your foreign policy, but I find it interesting the same song and dance is being repeated over and over by your alliance. Besides, the structure of your alliance gives a considerable amount of voice to the individual. You might be able to fool the masses, but you aren't fooling me. Give me a different song and dance, and you won't hear a peep out of me. And check the stats thread, the upper tier fighting has cooled down. As for the aid, If I could organize you personally 18 mil every 10 days for the next year (that's 650M for the entire year), would you want it and what would you do with it? I bet you wouldn't want it, would you? You see, this is where I'm a sneaky son of a !@#$%*. HOW DOES HE KNOW I WOULDNT WANT THE MONEY ? BECAUSE NO ONE OVER 15K NS NEEDS OR WANTS MONEY! Somebody help me, I think I'm having a heart attack.

Yeah, I did miss mash. I thought about editing it in, but figured it didn't matter since I don't even remember that alliance. How am I wrong about any of this? You have reiterated what I just said, with the addition of MASH. :P I'm just wrong because you say I am, aren't I MrCalkin? xD All I'm trying to say is that your allies fought TOP while you picked on micros. Every war I can remember you had treaty conflicts with the primary aggressors, so you were forced to scavenge micros. I understand why those decisions were made, but to come in here and suggest that you've always been in the center of it all beating down the toughest targets by my recollection seems like a stretch of the truth

Maybe it was true! :o Umb hit TSO, TFD, Legion, and NATO. TFD and TSO may have been the only targets they could hit, maybe. TFD and TSO were already swamped. Legion and NATO back in those days were for show. Give me a break! You're not really going to argue this are you? Even MK was mad at them for this, I heard.

I'm not sure I'd agree with that in it's entirety. I believe propaganda can influence membership, and governments are ultimately controlled by their membership. Consider, all the membership independently decides to leave an AA, the government has nothing to govern. Further for your consideration, as much as I hate MK, they were/are really good at propagandizing the masses for political gain. Maybe it's a trivial thing to focus on, but when I wish my writings to have lasting impact, I try to target my content for a membership audience for that exact reason. (Not sure if that's obvious or not.....Not sure if I'm doing a good job or not haha....Damage control; however, suggests yes yes yes!) But you are mostly correct, propaganda doesn't usually influence government directly. As for the second comment, quote from my favorite DoTA Character: We will reduce all to ashes

Getting mouthy? Aint no war mongering here. I'm just stating what I learned from experience, and what I see on the forums. I'm afraid the truth hurts. Umb is treating their CnG allies much the same way they treated Sparta. If you want to call that mouthy, whatever floats your boat I guess.

You know, I don't remember tbh. That was so long ago now. I just remember Sparta and MK coordinating a bit back then. And roq talking about how much effort and planning was required to bring down TOP. EDIT: Yeah, they must have. According to the wiki it looks like they hit fringe alliances, but I mean, If we're trying to argue Umb's ability to hit where it hurts, that's not really helping their cause.

Welcome boys! Good to see the damage control crew out in force.

Unfortunate, I must not appeal to your audience. XX, SF, and Co. are collectively laughing their butts off right now.

how could I forget! tl;dr added

So the war's in full swing. Only a couple surrenders so far. Both coalitions are trying to propagandize their way to victory. I'd like to take a step back a minute and break down what DH/Umbrella, is saying out there. They're trying to make the case that they've won in the upper tier. And hands down, I think Umbrella will have an upper tier victory if this war lasts only a short duration, but regardless of the war's duration, what about CnG? What about VE? They don't have Upper tiers like Umbrella. Competence may get an upper tier victory, but what does that mean for the nations that make up the majority of their coalition? It doesn't take very long to stumble on a post like Cuba's, where he says Umbrella is basically saving themselves at the expense of their coalition. So, Umbrella super tier is going to sit around and do nothing, while CnG/VE and friends get smashed into oblivion. For three years he says! A little bit later, we find another doosey Translation: Don't worry CnG, that 650,000 tech lost is easily replaceable. There's plenty of tech sellers out there. (right?) Heck Look at Umb, we have no trouble getting tech. And besides, we'll aid you a billion dongs, after we first aid Goons a billion dongs of course, and the world will be at peace once again. Let's get one thing straight, CnG. Umbrella does not give a damn about you. These two posts alone imply that, and there's many signals beyond that. These posts implicitly concede CnG is getting stomped, but that's ok because Umbrella isn't getting stomped, and even though CnG may be permanently mangled, Umbrella will be able to 'forever bask in super nation glory'. CnG being the selfless bloc that they are, that's all that matters, right? Right? ODN/INT, You guys are going to learn a hard lesson that it took sparta far too long to learn. I know you're excited. Umb probably gave you a special forum mask. They probably talk to you everyday on IRC. And dat avgNS. Who could forget that avgNS. What else could you want in such a great ally? The truth is Umb is !@#$@#$ you in the ass. Once they're done using you and you decide to call them on it, they're going to try and make you feel better with future promises, monetary aid or both. First, Let me be clear, It's not realistic to send you enough monetary aid to anywhere near cover your political and pixel damages. Umbrella has this mindset, where if you have an avgns less than them, they'll send you a few million dongs and somehow you'll magically be "strong" once again. CnG, You're not goons. No amount of money is going to cover your losses. They're making an offer no idiot will accept, so they can say that they tried to help you in the future if you complain. Despite the fact that they know the offer is garbage, and have no real intention of making good on the offer anyway. I've heard relationships with Umbrella be described as abusive, and that really is a perfect word to describe it. Unfortunately, I think it's something you have to really experience to fully understand, but hey, I'm doing my best to tip you off early. Second of all, they're not going to keep their future promises. They're going to do what's best for them, at. all. times. I could pull up posts of JA and crew blatantly saying history doesn't matter and instances of them going against their word to save their own skin, but I won't drag up old news. If you think I'm !@#$%^&*ting you, ask MHA, Ask Alpha Omega, ask any of Umbrella's former allies. After Roq left, Umbrella has completely lost perspective on the world. They only think about themselves, and Umbrella posts show that they haven't changed a single bit. They're going to throw your whole bloc under the bus, so they can "buy themselves 3 more years on top". Use your head and read into what they are saying. Actions speak louder than words, and right now their actions are saying they have every intention to do you no service. G.I. Joe sums up my recommendations to CnG/VE pretty well: tl;dr The funniest part of this war, is that if CnG/VE don't pull their head out of their butt, they may find themselves amongst the ranks of Invicta and Legion, when they were joined at the hip with '09 NPO. Good night and good luck all

OHHH! OHHH! Enlighten me!

Nah that's horse shit see below. Or picked on-how MK and Umb shat on Alexandros O Megas and his alliance, when they werent even involved in Dave war. What exactly constitutes a "super" nation. I'm a man of scientific nature. These designations mean little to me! Are you kidding me? Umb is perhaps the king of avoiding war. TOP-CnG Umb: Hey let's roll TOP. They attacked CnG.....OK Sparta....you go first....we'll back you up! TOP-NpO/Dave War Sparta: Umb, TOP is threating to roll us. We need you to back us up. (See sig for details) ~a couple short months later~ Umb: BACKUP? WELL, IDK BOUT THIS SPARTA. Umb: ROQ'S IN UR ALLIANCE? WELL I GUESS THAT MEANS WE'LL HAVE TO CANCEL.

The statistics downloads? I haven't checked that out in a while, but isn't that basically just the Alliance Page in a nice text form? If so, that doesn't take into account the +3mil NS NG/MK/Umb lost alliance hopping. Fake edit: well the spreadsheet does take into account DBDC and some others, but I assume that would still count as NS lost for DH. I never thought about it until now, Alliance hopping is going to have an unexpected consequence for Competence: it's going to statistically put them in the record books as worse at fighting than reality unless they can pull a victory.

Hey Hey! Congrats on peace MW!

Wouldn't call it best rivalry ever, but since this thread appears to be about listing rivalries, I'll throw in Sparta-NSO. Some of my personal funniest CN memories were bridge dwelling the sith.

That's my favorite avatar of yours ever. Excellent choice. <3

The iron gramlins "thing" lasted months. We've only been at war a month and a half. Nothing has failed miserably. Go home gonos nub :facepalm:

A thread comparing stats, where today's update was that the mid tier coalition did more damage than the upper tier coalition? I don't see your point.

You don't seem to understand that the declare war button has no relation to the amount of tech you have. Iron didn't beat ramlins because they had more tech than ramlins. They beat ramlins because they could push the declare war button. As for warchests, Money has lost all value on bob. If I wanted, I could probably buy 8000 tech and 8K infra and still have some left for war with the money I have on hand. No tech deals required.

Great, another gonos nub. Read this very stats thread. There's between 50 and 100 above 100k. I'm not keeping count of the numbers myself. Frankly I don't care about the details. I just find it funny and unsurprising that Umb is talking about saving such few nations at the expense of their entire coalition. Don't worry CnG, Umb will send you rebuilding money!