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[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1358464683' post='3078230'] o/ NG [/quote] This is the reason I am drinking. [quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1358465585' post='3078241'] This. You're meant for each other. [/quote] I thought you would have quit in shame by now.

Good thing I bought some beer today.

But you can't go!

CN is really producing this week. Thank you and good luck.

[quote name='darkfox' timestamp='1358197270' post='3076306'] Internal matter posted in the public before even talking to the rest of the government. Brilliant. [/quote] BFF is becoming increasingly unstable.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1358190881' post='3076215'] And I apologize to anyone who I argued with, I took an ally at his word and feel betrayed. I'm not afraid to admit when I was wrong and I want to thank Rob for helping prove this lie. [/quote] I promise to act immature about this next time I see you in the VE embassy.

Furq's !@#$%^&* got to be too much for one forum to bear.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1357875122' post='3074440'] He resigned publicly without knowing full details of what went on. In respect to BFF I'll leave them to correct him if they want, but we have the logs that show NEW was doing this deliberately and were planning on calling in all their allies.[/quote] Him having those logs points to his presence in the right discussions. Perhaps he fabricated them!

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1357874566' post='3074427'] NEW was going to get help from BFF as long as the treaty grace period was in place. How does that not make sense? [/quote] Did one of their gov members just resign publicly after posting about how BFF totally screwed their ally?

[quote name='trimm' timestamp='1357873025' post='3074400'] And yet they aren't avoiding either. I think it's been made pretty clear that if NEW goes off the deep end in the next week, BFF intends to defend them, but not to the point of keeping a treaty past that seven days when their treaty party went and took a dump in Mother Maggie's shoes with said treaty. BFF got handed a %&@! situation by an MADP ally, and they are doing their level headed best to both extracate themselves from that treaty and honor the spirit of it, which is more than most on Bob would do in the same circumstances. If BFF had flat out dropped NEW and left them to the NPO then darn near everyone on the OWF would have condemned them for it no matter how just the decision was.[/quote] I guess the big dramatic show about how they are honoring their treaties doesn't seem so bad on the surface, but it juxtaposes pretty weirdly with how they were talking last night. I was surprised to hear how boldly they offered to let the whole world run over NEW. I was even more surprised by how boldly they claimed to be model allies in this OP. Avoiding the OWF flak sure is important, though! [quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1357872979' post='3074399'] BFF has clearly stated that not only will they defend their idiot ally and take the bruises for it, that they will follow the mutual aggression portion as well, if so needed. I do not see any gray area in the text. [/quote] Ah hah, but that's how they get you! [quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1357872527' post='3074390'] I actually don't think we avoided both. We accepted both. You're close though, so you get a gold star for trying. Normally I give out lollipops but I know you're not allowed to have hard candy. Run along now. [/quote] You [i]tried [/i]to avoid both. And I'm not leaving until I get candy.

[quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1357871721' post='3074373'] I'm sure each person here puffing their chest and/or crapping on NEW/BFF for this has found themselves in the situation of being the alliance that ends up putting their ally in a bad place or has had an ally put you in a ridiculous situation that you didn't want to be in (in some alliance's cases having that ally be NEW itself!), and I absolutely feel that many alliances in CN don't have the courage to stare that situation in the face and still be there for their ally like we all know BFF will be. BFF, you know where we stand, and best of luck to you guys cleaning this up. [/quote] I get that you guys are besties, but I'm confused by posts like this. At the end of the day in a situation like this you can either defend your idiot ally and take the bruises for it, or drop your idiot ally and take the boos for it. Trying to avoid both seems like the least honorable option of all. Doesn't it?

[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1357870395' post='3074349']Previous logs were essentially outdated the minute they were spoken.[/quote] This was beautiful to read. We'll be sure to take BFF seriously from now on.

[quote name='mythicknight' timestamp='1357869847' post='3074332'] Feel free to show where we ever backed down. We've been in communication with NEW since we heard about the situation, and now that they've stopped aiding we're satisfied. If they are still attacked, I fully intend to defend them in whatever way I can, not try and weasel out of an obligation using a feigned offense, nor try to coordinate a farcical short-term defense with the very people that attacked them and then leave NEW to be "demolished" by the world. That clear enough? [/quote] You'll fight for NEW's unwarranted aggressions?

BFF dropping NEW like a pissing baby would have been reasonable, just like BFF fighting for NEW and then dropping them would have been reasonable. Pretending to do the latter while basically negotiating the former is lying to the world. NEW should drop BFF. You deserve better allies.

[quote name='Emperor Marx' timestamp='1357866780' post='3074286'] Coming from the alliance that canceled on TOP because you see them as colluding with an enemy that only thought of you as potential friends, I should eagerly listen to what you have to say about morality? NEW sold out BFF the moment they decided to deliberately expand a war that would have fizzled out on its own with no unnecessary bloodshed and without putting friends at odds with one another by not consulting with BFF before they acted. NEW deliberately tried to exploit their MADP with BFF because they saw it as a means to expand this war into something it should not be. BFF is being incredibly lenient with them on this and that you would come out of the woodwork so blatantly to attack the difficult decision that I know you would never have the balls to make yourself is quite telling on how you view your own allies and treaty obligations. [/quote] I recently read some logs that make reading the stuff here about BFF's honor seem kind of strange.

I am jealous.

None Of The Above would win every category. Also kriekfreak=arexes. Standardization!

[quote]Most Missed Player (Player that has gone inactive/quit) Feibelman Janax MrCalkin Duncan King Jack Tarr Moo Cows Astarle Electron_Sponge Moridin [b]Lenin[/b] Jack Shephard Roquentin[/quote] lol Lenin came back. oh you guys

[quote name='shirunei' timestamp='1357188795' post='3070806'] [img]http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/76/32/7632b70f60b755cefd9786210fce8ecf_h.jpg[/img] edit: bye [/quote] I stared for a while, expecting it to move.

[quote name='White Chocolate' timestamp='1357157907' post='3070499'] Seems to me that the goal of this OP is just to harm Sparta's reputation. If he desired a no class system, then he could "vote by your feet" and resign from Sparta and join one of a number of democratically run alliances. If it's to change things internally and he actually has support, then use the internal political system. Even the most intrenched monarchies here will change a policy if enough "subjects" either leave or threaten to leave over it. They are far more likely, in any case, to do so that way than from military action. And if what he wants is to be King, he can start his own alliance. It could even have a similar theme. Since he is doing none of those options and instead using the OWF - which is all about public relations, all he is doing is trying to harm the reputation of his former alliance. [/quote] Hard to imagine that he was saving up 1500 days just for that. Maybe he loves the culture that is Sparta and wishes to save her.

[quote name='Master Hakai' timestamp='1356330485' post='3067553'] dude way to nominate your own alliance for tons of stuff [/quote] somebody has to. [quote] Alliance of the Year: Kaskus Most Powerful Alliance: NG Best Military: the javahouse league Best Rookie Alliance: United Equestria Most Powerful Bloc: XX Best Flag: Ai Most Active Alliance: NG Most Honorable Alliance: NPO Best Diplomatic Team: Ai. unfortunately for everybody else on earth. Best Economic System: NG. duh. Best Recruiting Staff: NPO won the contest. Best Propagandist: MK Scariest Alliance: Best Alliance Growth: this is a statistical fact that can be looked up Best War Flag: sengoku Best Forums: NG Alliance Most Likely to Succeed in 2013: IRON Most Immoral Alliance: MK Most Controversial Alliance: MK Player of the Year: winner12345 (not up for debate) Most Powerful Player: MCRABT Best Alliance Leader: KingXander Most Controversial Player: hum. brickyard? i can't remember a whole year of retarded threads. Best Player Sig: most mk players Best Player Avatar: he's a !@#$%, but President S O Best Poster: arexes (kriekfreak on here) Nicest Player: not jerdge Funniest Player: voytek. Most Active Player: probably some obnoxious twit who hails every treaty. again, this is a statistical fact that can be objectively known. Player Most Likely to Achieve Greatness in 2013: dane0 Best New Addition to the Community: Most Hated Poster: winner12345 Best Declaration of War (Alliance Topic) Best Declaration of War (in-game war screen) Best Wall of Text: probably some IRON post Best OWF Topic: PB dissolution Biggest Controversy: NG leaving PB? Funniest Event: NG leaving PB. Most Entertaining IRC Channel: #mk Best Treaty Announcement: NG-NSO odoap. because I wrote it. Worst Diplomatic Move: Best Player Quote: Best IRC Log: Largest E-Peen: NG Best Villain: brehon Most Missed Player (Player that has gone inactive/quit): lenin for two months Best WaterCooler Thread [/quote] I don't get out of my CN alliance bubble much.

[quote name='Walshington' timestamp='1355903340' post='3065728'] Oh no, not putting all the blame on you. This is an epic fail for diplomacy all around. Should a war actually break out over this -- or even merely preparations for war -- the cost will far exceed whatever value you would take out of Unknown Smurf's hide. Or, if Kaskus merely let you take your pound of flesh then immediately build Smurf back up, it would be far cheaper than what potentially lies ahead. Instead, what will likely happen is that two alliances with no history of previous animosity are going to spend untold millions on what amounts to pride. Which is not always a horrible reason -- pride, and its close relative "the principle of the thing", are factors in most wars. Examined purely as a math problem, however, this war makes zero sense. Which of course both parties know full well going in. When the only outcome of victory for either side is a pyrrhic one, and both parties know it going in but go in head first anyway -- THAT is a textbook failure in diplomacy. That said, its only pixels. Enjoy whatever this becomes. o7 [/quote] Textbook putting too much thought into this.

well that was inevitable.

7 hours of no protection and not a single NG'er hit?

[quote name='shahenshah' timestamp='1355734193' post='3064940'] NG perhaps is the only significant alliance that's rightly avoided moralism all together. [/quote] shah, you flatter us!