vandelsand

[quote name='MCRABT' timestamp='1335794124' post='2961134'] I very much would like to bring the matter to a close. Can you please confirm yes or no did you speak to an IRON official about the VoC message as you have claimed? If so who? This isn't difficult. ...Moreover our diplomacy is hardly aggressive in nature, that does not mean we are going to tolerate deceit and repeat offences without some form of consequence. This matter would have been cleared up yesterday if this gentleman did not suffer from selective amnesia. He's making a mountain out of an ant hill. [/quote] My second message after he said why he joined IRON was: if you ever find yourself wanting something else please let me know. I cannot confirm that I spoke to anyone in VoC. It isn't difficult. But when a small alliance makes a mistake and a giant alliance towers over it it become difficult to discern what issue you are talking about. You're simply running this over and over into the ground. What action would you like to take? What do you have in mind? Wish to pummel our great 3800 average ns into the ground? This is absolutely rediculous. Why can't you just forget this whole thing as you claim my selective amnesia has? This is definietly not aggressive, definitely not. Do what you will, but stop being bullying jerks about this. I admit what I did. I admit I tried to cover it up because I knew you would have a proverbial cow. Either move on or do your worst. I'm tired of bickering. Don't forget to tell all your allies to team up against me too, cause this isn't rediculous enough as it is.

[quote name='Icewolf' timestamp='1335788105' post='2961108'] Either you already accepted the slap on the wrist, or you saw nothing wrong with what you did. You cannot play both tunes at the same time. [/quote] This man is right. I cannot have two independent thoughts about two different situations. Never. I asked McDaniel why he joined IRON. They told me not to bother their applicants/members. I asked VoC's members if they wanted to join Bull Moose instead of IRON. I was unaware it was against the rules to ask members of a disbanded and merging alliance if they were looking for something else. Two separate situations. Two separate thoughts. [u][b]The point is[/b][/u]: This was in no way meant to be any form of affront against IRON. I have nothing against IRON. I do not wish to have a quarrel with IRON. You may feel it was an affront because you can only see it from one perspective. If you could only take a step back.

[quote name='MCRABT' timestamp='1335787448' post='2961104'] So, since we spoke yesterday I have been doing the rounds within our halls and I can find no evidence of the VoC issue being addressed with an IRON official. I can see you spoke with Blade 619 about your invitation to McDaniel on the 21st but the VoC message was sent on the 24th and as far as I can see you have not spoken with anyone about it as you have claimed here and in query. Perhaps you could clarify for me so we can bring the matter to satisfactory conclusion. I'd be more inclined to believe this was a genuine mistake if you have not been lying to us throughout. [/quote] It is pretty simple. I didn't know that all of the members of VoC wanted to join IRON. I was unaware that it was an attack on IRON to ask them if they wanted to join my alliance. This is tiresome and I am truly sorry. Can we please end this matter?

Scandal! This is a CLEAR violation of all rules of Planet Bob! All members of merging alliances must join, no matter how you feel. This sub-40 nation alliance is threatening our entire existence with their 3827 average nation strength. We should take them down immediately! We don't have enough nations in our alliance! We couldn't spare even one as we continuously push the envelope of our measly 400 members. It is a conspiracy of the greatest proportions and goes as deep as the very soul of CyberNations itself. Quickly! Join arms to squash them!

Congratulations and Welcome... back? lol

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1335737307' post='2960868'] I hope BMA's issues with VOC/IRON have been cleared up. Congrats on the treaty! [/quote] Thank you to Enzos and Roq! You guys are stand up characters. As this is a positive treaty, I will not comment further on any negativity unless PMed in game... (on the forums probably too) BTW: I think we're going with BMP as an acronym, if you don't totally mind!

[quote name='Rhizoctonia' timestamp='1335729127' post='2960835'] No, the only thing rude is your actions. You're correct, this isn't the first time you have done something like this and need to be talked to. I maybe in IRON, but the message i am speaking of directly was towards my former alliance, one that i led, and you sent the message to another former leader of the VoC which he didn't appreciate it one bit. I would be happy to post the exact message you sent him, and the exact message you sent other people and see if in fact the rest of the planet think your actions are worthy of messaging people 2 days after i posted our merge on OWF, and such. Good luck with them Shadow, let's hope they don't continue their former actions and learn from being talked to [/quote] I agree that when I asked VoC if they wanted to join us I was wrong. Many people talked to me about this issue. It was resolved, I received a very stern slap on the wrist. Why bring this up now with such public humiliation, and totally outside of the context of this topic? Poor form.

[quote name='Rhizoctonia' timestamp='1335727495' post='2960826'] They can deny what they want, we have two incidents with logs of such actions from Bull Moose. So good pick up as allies [/quote] This is very rude. We have spoken to all the parties involved NUMEROUS times and they said it wasn't a problem and not to worry about it. Bull Moose is not poaching and I find your remarks unfounded. I think that you need to speak to people within your alliance that may handle these issues as they have been handled. I find it to be out of line, the way lesser member of the alliances are not included in the conversation. Additionally, these accusations have absolutely NO bearing on the post at hand and are completely outside of the point made in this post. It should be embarrassing to you that you didn't even fully read the post.

Color: Multi-colored [url="http://www.cn-bullmoose.com/"]Bull Moose[/url] - #bullmoose For abbreviation we're going with BMP Link (above): www.cn-bullmoose.com Thanks, -vandelsand

[quote name='New Frontier' timestamp='1335718087' post='2960786'] I think you may be mistaken. [/quote] I think you may be a hater.

[b][size="3"][center]Small alliances rely on larger alliances and on one another for economic gain and protection. This is how bonds are built between sovereign entities. Bull Moose wishes for it to be known to the community of our intentions with the Shadow Company.[/center][/size][/b] [center][img]http://images.wikia.com/cybernations/images/5/5a/Bull_moose.jpg[/img] [img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/cybernations/images/thumb/b/b2/Shadow_Company.gif/459px-Shadow_Company.gif[/img] [/center] [size="3"][center]In the interest of good relations and mutual economic interest, Bull Moose and the Shadow Company hereby enter into an Optional Defense Pact. Both Bull Moose and the Shadow Company [u][b]vow[/b][/u] that perhaps we might possibly and potentially defend one another if the occasion were to arise. Maybe.[/center][/size] [center][u][b]Article 1: Sovereignty[/b][/u] The undersigned parties accept that we are both independent, sovereign Alliances. We will act as such and respect one another's rights as an alliance. [u][b]Article 2: Peace and Intelligence[/b][/u] The undersigned agree not to conduct any acts of aggression towards one another. This includes, but is not limited to: warring, raiding, espionage, meanie pants taunting, yelling, etc... We also vow to share any intelligence that our small minds may contain about other alliances intentions towards us. This includes, but is not limited to: acts of aggression, voyeuristic acts, yadda yadda yadda. [u][b]Article 3: Optional Defense[/b][/u] The undersigned parties agree that we each have the [u][b]option[/b][/u] to defend the other alliance in the event of a war. This is in no way a protectorate, as both parties are very small and require their own protectors. [u][b]Article 4: Economic Gain[/b][/u] The undersigned parties agree to help one another's economies in any way possible. It is imperative that each alliance knows that their own needs must come before the other's. We agree to help with tech deals, trades, bribery, the counting of pirate booty, and the mutual thievery of said booty. [u][b]Article 5: Termination[/b][/u] Either Bull Moose or the Shadow Company agrees that we may terminate this treaty at any time. As should be the standard with optional pacts, no grace period is necessary. [/center] [center] [u][b]Signed for Bull Moose:[/b][/u] vandelsand of Native Columbia Chairman of Bull Moose Colonel Rick of Auld Lang Syne Director of Bull Moose [u][b]Signed for the Shadow Company:[/b][/u] The Phoenix of The Black Guard First Field Marshal & Leader of the Shadow Company Phathom of Goshin Second Field Marshal of the Shadow Company[/center] Bully!

[quote name='Kukailimoku' timestamp='1335332640' post='2958903'] My thanks to all those who answered my post both here and in game. I am happy to report that I a fully masked member of the New Polar Order once again thanks to all alliances who gave me an invite [/quote] Hope the test wasn't too hard! Good luck and BULLY!

Heh el oh el I was joking <3

This is a DoW right?

Congrats, I hope you and Argent ALL the best!

CyberNations is getting weirder and weirder

Definitely do not join Bull Moose

YAY! Good to see.

LOL MEAN!

Thanks everyone!!! You're awesome. I don't love the moniker BMA, but whatever sticks sticks.

upvoted

If we could get more people to sign the petition maybe that would help inform the admins of our seriousness!

I think MONGOLS and Kaskus won, although they have to pay. They did kick ass.

Thanks Leopold! Miss seeing you around! What happened to zhaan?

Thanks, everyone! I'll be right over BioCorp and Apparatus