OverlordShinnra

I totally agree with this sentiment.

I think people are having a hard time understanding an alliance needs a nation 80k+ ns to be listed.

The bulk of ML's wars have been against Umbrella and MK. CA doesn't have any nations above the 80k threshold. I might move UE over to the Aztec and Co. but were talking about 1 nation so its pretty minuscule.

We've all been tracking this thread --> http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/114908-upper-end-of-the-war/ And while I really hope it continues to be updated, I think some of us want more :) So I'll be tracking the upper end of this war and adding my own commentary in this thread. Updates will come every other day as far as statistics go. Commentary might come more often. Going to start off by stating where the stats are coming from. I split the stats into different fronts in order to better track how some individual alliances were doing and to better paint a picture of the war. Here is how I decided to split them up based on where their wars were (if you would like me to track an AA I'm not currently tracking shoot me a pm). ------------------------------------------------ "Original Front" - Duckroll vs. Doomhouse DR and co. - Ai, IRON, NPO, TIO, NATO, Gramlins, LoSS, ML, CoJ, FAN, PPO, GO, UE DH and co. - Umbrella, VE, MK, DBDC, Deinos, Darkfall, Mushqaeda "Front 1" - Aztec vs. TOP Aztec and co. - GLOF, AB, Argent, TORN, TPF, DT, Sengoku, Nebula-X, SNAFU TOP and co. - TOP, OTR, TSO "Front 2" - SF/XX/Aftermath vs. CnG SF/XX/Aftermath and co. - GOD, RIA, RnR, NPL, MHA, Sparta, FARK, TTK, CRAP, CCC, MCXA, NADC, NEW, DBD, Ragnarok, Invicta, NpO, Avalanche, The Legion, GDA, UCR CnG and co. - ODN, INT, TLR, GATO, NG, NoR, MW, UCoN ---------------------------------------------- If I've left out an alliance it is usually because these alliances did not have any nations within range of a "top tier" (anything above 80k). These alliances include but are not limited to ones such as Alchemy, LSF, Zulu.. If and when an alliance runs out of nations over the 80k threshold I will stop tracking them after two updates. For instance FARK on my first day of tracking (2 days ago) had 2 nations above the 80k threshold but today they had none. If on the next update they were to maintain that then they would fall from the tracking and become irrelevant as far as this thread is concerned. Here is the template I'm using to present the stats; ----------------------------------------------- Totals for the Original Front: Commentary: It is very little surprise these days to see nations dropping like flies out of the 120k+ zone for the equilibrium coalition and particularly on this front. It is interesting to note that the two nations who did drop are both nations that could very easily rebuy up into that range. These nations are Bob Janova of The Gramlins and Matt Miller of IRON. Even facing 3 on 1's for the foreseeable future both of these nations have the tech to support staying above 100k for as long as they want to (with the occasional drop below). The remaining nations in the DR coalition above 120k with one or two exceptions have 20k infra and if they chose to come out of peace mode it would go to reason that they would drop very quickly to the high tech nukes of the DH coalition. You can see why DR chooses to use peace mode for all of its remaining nations above that threshold and very heavily in the 100k tier. As we drop down to the 80k tier we can see that DH is vastly outnumbered and that brings up three very very important questions going forward. 1. How low will the super nations of the Doom House coalition (particularly in Doombird doomcave) be able to hit in order to mitigate this advantage? 2. How long will the high tech nations of DH and co. that fall into the 100k and 80k ranges be able to hold up once they have been swarmed? 3. How many nations will the swarmed nations bring down with them on their way to the bottom? Totals for Front 1: Commentary This was and remains the one front that the Equilibrium has had an advantage on all tiers and yet there is a heavy use of peace mode above 100k. So much so that they remain outnumbered in war mode by the TOP and co. nations. I wonder why that is. Obviously this is a coalition war and there is a lot of crossover specifically from MK, Umbrella and DBDC. But that still doesn't mitigate the fact that these nations might not be doing the amount of damage needed on this front where they clearly have an advantage at the top. I suppose only time will tell how the number pan out here vs. other fronts. Totals for Front 2: Commentary: Of all the fronts that could define this war, I believe this is the one that defines it best. On the one hand in SF/XX/Aftermath you have a vast array of NS and AA's coming to bat which outnumber the other side by quite a bit. The nations in most tiers are finding themselves outnumbered and staggered over and over and over again with no end in site. And yet in the top tiers there is a clear advantage for the CnG and co. side which evens things up. Consequently this also happens to be where we are seeing the most damage done in the entire war. Specifically I want to talk about alliance targeting. Some AA's at certain points of the war have been getting targeted and those alliances get a heavy dose of damage and find themselves in a much different scenario then they did a week ago or in some cases even two days ago. In this instance that alliance is the "Nusantara Elite Warriors". As recent as two days ago NEW had 7 nations above 100k with 5 of them in war mode. After being heavily targeted by Doombird Doomcave they find themselves almost in absolute ruin as they have only their 2 peace mode nations left in only two days time. While obviously they have plenty of war in other areas this is where we see the capabilities of what we have come to call "Super Nations". These super nations obviously have a lot of capability for destruction but how well will it hold up as the ranks of the 100k nations begin to thin out. That is probably the question for the entire war. Totals for the Entire War: Until next time :)

Have to admit, the entrance of GDA makes things a bit bleaker for the DH side. Not that 7 higher infra nations make super nations scared but certainly every bit counts.

Most of the nations that matter are out of pm. Unfortunately they are starting to have trouble finding targets because Derprush has been peacing out anything over 70k.

How very brave of you GDA. You are only a month late.

There are exactly one (NG) non-DH ally who came to bat for CnG so its not like it would change anything.

ZOMG all our sekritz. :huh:

You know I kid. I just miss your... Mattskiness.

Probably more eloquently stated as well.

The problem I'm posing though is that those nations will have no targets without building up or falling down. It won't matter how many 15k - 100k nations you have massed once a sufficient number of nations have been passed down to the bottom. You will have nations at the bottom starting to dominate the lower tier because they have full wonder sets and superior war chests and they will start hammering 15k up to 20k and then up to 25k as they continue to pull nations down. At the same time the nations at the top are going to hammer down 100k to 90k and then to 80k and so forth. Eventually the gap is going to become ridiculous and EQ nation will only be able to save up and collect in a very small window.

It's apparent that either you have no idea about the inner workings of the ODN or that you are trying take mild interest as some grand gesture. Either way you are way off base.

I don't doubt it but eventually there will be more knocked down WRC nations then "prepared" nations. At that point the whole tower falls down and now EQ's huge military advantage only applies between 20k - 80k with a critical mass of WRC's biting at your ankles and a swatch of top nations hammering at the top. Obviously the question is whether a DH and co. alliance or few alliances surrender before such a scenario occurs but if it does reach such a scenario I find it difficult to see how EQ could win.

There are a couple of fallacies going around in this thread on the EQ side of things. #1 - Once the 100k hurdle is cleared DH and co. won't be able to touch the rest of us. Why of course they can. Once the 120k hurdle is cleared, then it will be 100k, then 90k, then it will be 80k and so forth. Then I hear the reply but those super nations won't be able to hit a 90k nation. While debatable it won't matter because they won't need them to. Now they will have free 100k nations to attack 90k nations and 90k to attack 80k, etc. etc. The point of this whole exercise is that DH can continue to down declare over and over and over again, as long as it takes. There is no stopping when a nation hits a threshold. It just takes time. #2 - If we pull DH nations down the shark tank its free of charge. Pulling down a nation with a lot of tech down the shark tank is very painful for the one doing the pulling. Its a grind. You get hit by massive tech nukes and the damage being done by those nukes is huge and often does more damage to the 3 naturally nsed nations doing the attacking. So the rhetoric that 1500 DH nations will be suffering in agony while EQ nations are roaming free in ponyland just doesn't hold. #3 - The sharktank is a free fall. Not only has their been numerous reports of nations from a bunch of DH and co. AA's slipping into peace mode because of screwed up staggers and what not. I believe (its a hunch) that its also false that nations that are properly staggered will be in freefall forever. Eventually if enough WRC nations get dropped below 25k ns (where virtually no EQ nations have them) the DH and co. side will reach a critical mass of these superior nations and will pretty much obliterate any nation that tries to stagger them. Obviously this critical mass hasn't happened yet but when and if it does it means there will be a floor. A floor on which these nations can land and just start teeing off EQ's lower tier. If this logic holds then EQ will be being chopped off at the top and the bottom with a whole bunch of midtier nations not being able to help except to facilitate the "shark tank".

Bringing up the past to avert eyes from the present can be a nice propaganda tool. Unfortunately, ODN has been nothing short of respectable while all the cowards, bandwagoners and ally dodgers remain firmly on the EQ side.

One of these days.

you can only go wrong with mattski. I speak from experience.

sigh was just about to buy an MP. At least this one was much better then the stupid Hellas down declare. No one up-declares except for the old alliances anymore.

Propaganda by its very nature is in the eye of the beholder.

I see a lot of AA's missing from the right hand side but other then that, spot up job.

Gentlemen, I really did not mean to make that out to an "OMG were pwning" type thing. Obviously there is massive damage to both sides of the NATO/ODN extravaganza. I just thought it was funny that the guy talking about the walls is getting absolutely owned by one two weeks later regardless of how big he is. Perhaps my loose sense of humor is getting the best of me.

Wall - 1 Perceus - 0

Good luck to the Nordreich and also to the Random Insanity that is the alliance. May your wars be plentiful... after a while.

I thought ya'll were in one big bloc now. :v: