The MVP

I see so many complaints, and none from Sparta.

[quote name='Daikos' timestamp='1283431475' post='2439080'] Here you go [s]AUT[/s] MVP. I think this is what you've been trying to get from this thread: [img]http://300gp.ovh.net/~cattia/Photos/news/02_05_07/Attention.gif[/img] Hope that helps fulfill your need. [/quote] I'd ask your awful alliance, which is quite reflective in the recruitment message you left me, leave me alone.

[quote]Hello there, Dark Fist would like to invite you into our fabulously cute and fluffy world full of unicorns and naked women. If the prospect of being surrounded by unicorns and naked women pleases you, please read on. Dark Fist is a serious yet free-spirited black team alliance built around perverted humor, and trash talking smelly brown team members(if it's brown, flush it down). Obviously you are receiving this message because our super computer estimated that you are an extremely masculine person capable of advanced guerrilla warfare tactics and what so many call "uber manliness". We can offer you safety and the chance to grow your nation quickly with tech trades, as well as instruction to help you in learning how to play the game. Recruits are asked to learn the game and complete our academy process. Questions? Comments? Does this message annoy you to a stupor? Feel free to respond to me and I will answer any questions you have. Apply at www.darkfist.net/index.php Regards,Flatzi [/quote] Although I am ghost busting Sparta, I've a strong urge to outright rogue on Dark Fist. I've also had many Sparta nations thanking me in-game for my actions. What's wrong with clearing out ghosts? I don't get it. Attacking your own AA, even if it is a ghost, is considered bad form. Get someone else to do it, it's not rocket science.

[quote name='Tigerdonia Redux' timestamp='1283367800' post='2438388'] That's right MVP... lick that boot. [/quote] If making 5 tech off one nation is licking boots, then okay.

The objective here is to help Sparta, not hurt it. You're right I should have asked them first, but I signed up to their forums and am doing it now. It's often bad when an own alliance needs to take out its own ghosts, when you see an alliance attack itself for the sake of ghosts it doesn't look good. A hired mercenary probing the AA looks much better which is what I intend to do. I've signed up for Sparta's forums and look forward to busting ghosts while leaving the true members alone. Any of you may hire me, I'm just working with Sparta seeing as how many ghosts they have. Alliances like MHA seem content with ghosts and don't want them busted. If any of you do, however, holler! o/

I'm heading over to Sparta's forums later to find out who are ghosts and who are legitimate members. This is not a tech raid, I'm just helping them ghost bust while having fun on my own. Sparta seems to be in support of it, either that or they really don't care. Anyways, I'm heading off to sign up. [quote]So you made a thread just so that you and a couple of your cronies could make cheap shots at Sparta? [/quote] I know what this is about... Okay I know you wanted me to do the same for the ODN but Sparta needs more help now. Besides, they've more ghosts to deal with than you guys. Just relax, please. I also make the Boogey go mad!

I'm sorry to hear this kingzog. We take life for granted yet forget to realize that life is a blessing.

I've often heard that Sparta has undergone a series of ghostbusting and is improving in terms of keeping the active nations in their alliance while kicking out the ghosts. I didn't see it that way. I saw natoins that had awful trades, weren't tech dealing and many were in DEFCON 3 or 4. I said enough is enough, we all know Spartan nations should know better by now and that Sparta leadership isn't incompetent although they need help. Today I took that step to help my Spartan friends: http://www.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?search=419045&Extended=1 My request is to ask Sparta to help ghostbust these nations as I cannot do it all by myself. Any aid will be appreciated so I can hit some of the 2-5k nations that appear to have nations that are also in DEFCONs 2,3,4 and aren't tech dealing. Thank you and Doxa Sparta!

[quote name='Diomede' timestamp='1283044546' post='2434359'] Umbrella can put out a lot more proportinately though. On a per-member basis I'd easily put them over anyone. [/quote] Perhaps, even that's arguable TOP was pretty stunning, but they can't cover the same amount of damage MK/TOP can. Not so much looking at proportions rather than total amount of damage totaled up.

[quote name='Yankees Empire' timestamp='1283044050' post='2434356'] I'd say: 1. MK 2. TOP [b]3. NPO 4. RoK[/b] 5. Umbrella [b]6. NpO[/b] [b]7.[/b] Legion (lol jk, really [b]ODN)[/b] 8. FOK 9. Fark [b]10. Athens[/b] [/quote] I thought we were supposed to take this seriously.

1. TOP 2. MK 3. Umbrella Of course, no matter how good Umbrella is, MK and TOP are just bigger therefore can put out more damage.

Pacifica, why are you the way you are? I hate, so much, about the things that you choose to be...

It's simple: Those that conformed to the ideals of Karma and abandoned ship to save their skins are off the hook for the crimes they did. Those that remained with NPO are loathed and told to swallow, grin and bare it. No you didn't instill viceroys, or forcefully disband alliances but you did impose overly harsh reparations that left alliances capsized for quite a bit. I'd like to see what an alliance like Sparta deserves, or how this former part of the Continuum force should be left off the hook. Because the people they put agonizing times through don't care anymore? Okay, that's fine. But many of us here do, and we're not exactly going to let it go unnoticed. But guys good news, amidst our rubble and destruction we will write a beer review for our good friends. Anyone for - Well, better not go there.

Wow.. you guys are truly angry about this? It's obvious they want to avoid war. I thought them not having much connections to the rest of us was an indication of that. Even the GPA has reduced their presence and I'm guessing it's trying to follow WTF/Fark's idea of laying low. They know if they get attacked, and being as vulnerable as they are, it wouldn't be good. So they're going to do whatever it takes to stay off sanction and avoid any sort of potential war. Up to them. Edit: Also have you considered perhaps putting in a character into your original name to avoid sanction rather than having to have two alliances? Just a thought.

[quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1282908306' post='2432691'] In my view they've redeemed themselves but who knows? [/quote] Absolving the sin of a sinners heart, how poetic.

[quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' timestamp='1282880159' post='2432388'] Ancient Egyptian, however would not be an Arabic Alliance. You could also, as a suggestion consider the Nasser era. [/quote] Ancient Egyptian isn't Arabic but it certainly gathers more interest than an Arab alliance would. Nasser era is riddled with politics of pan-Africanism and pan-Arabism and a road I wouldn't like to take. We could replicate the Suez Canal War with NATO but that would suck.

There's a reason why Egypt is more of a focal point when discussing this. Egypt has a longer and arguably more unique history than the Moores. Furthermore the structure of ancient Egyptian society allowed for more potential than an ambiguous Arab-Berber alliance.

Rommel, el 3araby el Phillistiny mish el 3araby el Masry. 3alem/3alam = World M'a3lem = scientist/teacher Hime Themis - the Moors aren't that interesting nor would it attract many people. The Berbers/Arabs that inhabited Northern Africa were referred to as the "Moors" and wouldn't be a good launching point for a Middle Eastern theme alliance. Ancient Egypt also isn't Middle Eastern, it centers more on Africa even if it is North African.

Is this a suggestion or a "global" effort?

[quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1282785667' post='2431375'] You should do this. Michael von Prussia and AUT for biumvirate. [/quote] I really don't know him and judging by much of the comments on here, it's clear we're not quite ready to have this.

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1282784859' post='2431365'] It'd be a good start to stop wearing avatars and signatures that glorify terrorists. [/quote] I guess it would considering it's only showing Lebanese citizens who had their land unrightfully taken by the Israelis, killing many by the way. But you didn't here about that, all you heard was when that Israeli soldier got killed. They're not terrorists, you're just uneducated about the actual facts. [quote]Pick something between Egypt and India and Athens will show up. [/quote] Egypt was conquered by Alexander the Great, a Macedonian, not Athenian.

[quote name='Moridin' timestamp='1282778037' post='2431261'] Only if you start a war against a Turkish alliance and allow me to lead your armies to victory, then screw you over by poaching all your members. [/quote] Lawrence sounds like such an effeminate name though.

Aha! I knew it!

Alright well I'll go ahead and just make a post encompassing everything... The fact we are describing Nazis, an extremist movement of people who did war crimes, and Arabs in the same light is ridiculous. Arab is nothing more than an ethnic group based off the same language. How someone can get in trouble for being "Arab" is beyond me, an Arab is a person of Middle Eastern descent not an extremist. On top of it, the interest displayed in Middle Eastern history is admirable but a bit off. You guys are throwing around ideas for Persian, Egyptian, Ottoman alliances is cool but understand something: Aurion - you said you wanted alliances based off of Hellenic colonies. So you want to create a Hellenic alliance such as the Seleucids, an empire that encompassed Anatolia and Syria, and the Ptolemaic Empire, Egypt, and make it into an alliance? How's that going to compete with alliances like Athens and Sparta? It's not really going to take off, not much interest. An actual oriental alliance not Greek in culture would be a better idea. I see cries for Persian alliances. Perhaps but creation of a Persian alliance wouldn't attract much. It's funny how receptive you guys are to the term [i]Persian[/i] yet get on your heels when the term [i]Iranian[/i] comes up. You realize they are one in the same, right? And when you guys ask for "Egyptian alliances" I'm unsure of the period. You mean Ancient Egyptian? That has been tried numerous times before and always found a way to implode for reasons I don't know about.

[quote name='Hymenbreach' timestamp='1282758053' post='2431001'] How do you know? Plus it amused me, and that's the main thing. [/quote] Because, you crossed a line and remained Hymenbreach. (And that's not a good thing, I find more amusement from your name on here then anything you attempt to be a joke.)