The MVP

Bob Janova - I apologize for my outburst it had no place in this thread and for that I am sorry. Anyways, I do believe GOONS would have the backing of its allies regardless of if they were in the right or not. Some of the things GOONS has been able to pull off would be some sort of [i]blank check[/i] effect they seem to get from their allies. They can demand 90 million, call it light and get away with it because the majority of powerful alliances in this case are on their side. No one on our side would [i]dream[/i] of doing such a thing and not being called out on it. What's wrong, again, with just having Dopp himself aid all GOONS nations Methrage is at war with? It sends the message loud and clear.

GOONS is well connected, and has the backing of most alliances that are heavily en-steeped in the MDoAP web. I'm saying they're justified in pursuing a war, sure, but 90 mil for 3 mil in aid is excessive and extorting if not an outright joke in my own opinion. And yes, you Mr. I hated EZI with every fiber of my being yet was allied to every big practicer of it too afraid to make a stand. Seriously, you realize you're all talk and we all know it. Hell I respect people like Penkala more then you, at least he actually backs up his mouth. Anyways this thread isn't about you, although I think you should just join GPA and be a side commentator once and for all, 90 mil is extortion. It's due to the hate of NSO and their stupid actions it's being argued 90 mil isn't extortion and even said to be [i]light[/i] in comparison. But oh well, I'll let you all do your things. I still think the idea of Dopp aiding the 6 nations at war with Methrage 3 mil each is more then enough.

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1283700492' post='2442613'] Generally speaking, when one commits the same crime repeatedly, the penalties get more harsh. On two occasions [i]within the last thirty days[/i], a high-ranking member of the NSO has allowed a rogue to receive foreign aid. $90,000,000 [u]is[/u] letting them off lightly. Or, to use another example.... When a dog bites one person, you can usually get away with promising to have it muzzled. When it does the same thing again, it's time to have it put down. [/quote] No, it's not. 90 million for the crimes of 3 mil is still 30-fold. Was it a mistake? Yes. Was Dopp dumb to do what he did? Hell yes, especially considering what the last war was fought over. There are no excuses and GOONS [i]would [/i] be justified to pursue war, but 90 million? That's just too much. It's called taking full advantage of an alliance in a bad condition. Now grant it, and I will say again, Dopp was dumb to do what he did but 90 mil is just blowing things out of proportion. If war wanted to truly be averted 15 million could very well be an amicable solution and will teach NSO a lesson while building up some smaller GOONS nations, but 90 mil? That's just flat out extortion. My suggestion: Let Dopp aid all 6 GOONS nations Methrage is at war with which would result in 18 mil given to GOONS nations and 3 mil to each GOON nation directly involved in the conflict. That would make sense.

[quote]Of course they do. 'Hey look at us, we're NSO, we're special, the rules don't apply to us!' $90m isn't really 'getting away with it' though; it is a punitive reps demand, as it should be when non-material consequences obviously don't have any effect on NSO's behaviour. [/quote] 90 mil is still woefully excessive and truly extortion. If GOONS didn't have the same power to wield around and say, someone like TPF asked this of VE, TPF would be forced to get whatever they can get. I can think of a case in a certain war when RnR didn't take responsibility for a rogue attack on NSO and refused to even compensate NSO. But it's okay, Bob Janova, you can talk of the atrocities of an impending war while weaseling out and fighting on the winning side like you usually do. You're like MHA manifested into a nation.

[quote name='Lord to the Gizzle' timestamp='1283654208' post='2442044'] That's what I'm saying. [/quote] I know, I'm agreeing with ya.

[quote name='Lord to the Gizzle' timestamp='1283653957' post='2442039'] I see not the point in this. If it's flame bait for an argument over LGBT[ism] in general, it should be removed. If not, it's pointless anyway. [/quote] Asking someone's orientation or sexuality isn't exactly something that's the norm around here nor do many care for that matter.

This is probably the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

Well go ahead and accept destro

[quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1283645301' post='2441891'] You're too pathetic to really be hated in the same way Bilrow is/was. He knew exactly what he was doing; you, on the other hand, are simply a dog chasing a car. [/quote] Man I heard that from right here. Well have fun doing whatever it is you're trying to do, Fernando. Hope no alliance is daft enough to let you in.

And I'm amazed how I still can't understand you overly flowery language after 4 years.

[quote name='Alexander The Second' timestamp='1283610730' post='2441360'] hmm I have to say I am interested in seeing how that type of thing would play out... I just can't seem to picture it going just like that for you. I mean... we send 6 mill to little nations you declare on... they get big, hit you a bunch. We prepare the next studder, and send it through just the same. honestly trying to find out how you even compare to destro, your just... well smaller and unprepared. you know what... you could always just delete and remake to surprise attack our noobs... that sounds kind neat actually. Your random attacks can be part of our new exam policy!!! really... I am trying to figure how you compare.... ehh you have admin bombs or something? [/quote] Your nations are likely unprepared to go to the lengths that I am in order of stripping down nations for war. I hardly think your government will be so keen on aiding 6 ghosts with so much aid, then again UPN seems to do things like that. Furthermore you mean I can take away 1 mil and 5 tech on every ground attack? Thank you oh so very much.

[quote name='Alexander The Second' timestamp='1283610324' post='2441351'] who are you again? Send him tech, but there are consequences... hell might even be some for just saying it (really hoping so) [/quote] Consequences is me looting tech from your nations and you dealing with two rather special circumstance rogues. You want that to happen? If so I can make that happen. In fact, I'm hoping that it does.

Attacking the UPN is like attacking the GPA but at least GPA sticks up, commits to, and stands for something. Also I fail to see how this is [i]war[/i] practice for UPN, seeing as how they run at the sight of a losing war. Don't worry, I'm sure ODN/NpO will assure you never have to through such a traumatizing experience. destro: I will try and aid you with tech at some point.

[quote name='TheNeverender' timestamp='1283490183' post='2439953'] I think a day or two ago I hit 1500. Ugh. [/quote] That's what she said. Anyways, happy 1,700 which means we are now closer to 5 years on this planet rather than 4.

[quote name='Matthew Conrad' timestamp='1283536267' post='2440555'] It's a shame, I was hoping you were going to create another terrible alliance that lasts for a few months before it collapses under the sheer weight of your incompetence. Please don't leave before you do! [/quote] This is a pathetic attempt if I've ever seen one. Hey, you know what I have an idea, why don't you leave right now?

Can you make the '[i]Karma [/i]'talk show, I don't know.. anymore [i]CN [/i]talk show?

I joined NSO for a brief period and to only fight a war. Whatever beef NSO has with Sparta in particular I really didn't see any to be quite honest with you. You're right I'm doing it for entertainment, I even admitted to it earlier. So? I think this is a unique and cool concept I'm doing. If Sparta isn't offended or being hurt by this I really don't see the harm in it. We both benefity. They lose ghosts, I gain resources and a little bit of fun on the way out. If I hit a land mine, i.e. an actual Spartan nation that is a true member, I'll simply stop attacks and find more ghosts to hit. That's really it, I'm not sure why you're overanalyzing so much although you're right my main motivation is to entertain. However you assuming my secondar motivation would be to embarass Sparta isn't true.

[quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1283466830' post='2439560'] I'm just making a point to show that you're obviously playing a game of chicken and you happen to have won this time. You're obviously aware of that, but your attempt at making this seem like the act of a good Samaritan to misdirect the intention of your actions isn't fooling everyone. [/quote] Until harm is done you can't really say that, until then you're just assuming the worst.

Perhaps I declared prematurely but I'm going to rectify that now. Also I love the, "If I were Sparta I'd soooooooo hurt you!" comments. Keep them coming, it sort of shows me which alliances to help out with their ghosts and which not to. Also: [quote]To: The MVP From: Howlin Mad Date: 9/1/2010 8:35:22 PM Subject: Thanking you now Message: For attacking our ghosts [/quote] Sort of puts into perspective how you all are perceiving it and how they are, lol.

[quote name='Captain Flinders' timestamp='1283465934' post='2439545'] I'm pretty sure I said this would get out of hand. Now he's just helping himself to your AA. Looks like a rogue if I've ever seen one. [/quote] If those were my intentions would I be asking Sparta if their members are ghosts or not? Above your post you'll notice I have not conducted attacks on the newly declared on nation. If that's me, "helping myself to Sparta's nations" then okay why not. You're honesty grasping at something that isn't there. You can't believe that I would help Sparta and have honest intentions because my actions seem far from the case. So like a mad man you drive yourself insane trying to find fault in what I'm doing yet so far you haven't. The nation I attacked has over 100 tech, is inactive and has an efficiency of 5.4 something or other. My assumption is that nation isn't logging on to Sparta's forums or could in fact be a ghost. Either that or isn't seeking the help his alliance can offer. So I deduce, from that, he is in fact a ghost. If he is not, I will simply peace him out and since I didn't even conduct operations against him, although I certainly could have, no harm was done.

[quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1283465467' post='2439539'] Did you happen to ask us before going after this one. [/quote] I made a thread (on your forums) and haven't attacked yet.

[quote name='Daikos' timestamp='1283452862' post='2439364'] The phrase you were looking for is: "you are looking for attention". [/quote] This coming from the "diarch" that centers its alliance on taking shots on NSO and thrives on what they do. You're sad I've achieved more attention than your alliance can ever hope to muster. Then again, that's not saying much and it's meant as a slight towards me more than towards you. Anyways I've declared on a new ghost and peaced out on the nation now ghosting Legion.

[quote]Secondly I want to discuss an incident that has been going on for sometime. There have been some very negative remarks coming from BCOM towards Ragnarok and there allies in some of RoK's recent posts. I want to assure the world that those comments where the opinions of the commentator and not that of Blackstone Commission. I have respect for RoK and ask that they forgive and look past those comments. I also would like to thank them personally for kindness that I was shown by RoK during events that happened recently. [/quote] Way to show backbone with regards to the opinions of your members!

[quote name='Fyfe XIV' timestamp='1283450253' post='2439331'] It's kinda funny that one of them went to Legion [/quote] He will be peaced out. And yes I found that hilarious.

[quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1283449052' post='2439296'] Which is obviously the nature of your fellow member. Ghosts are to be dealt by the AA involved and not to be attacked at anyone else's discretion, ghost or not. Some alliances may not take it as well as Sparta has. [/quote] Says you, thankfully for me it doesn't involve you. You're just here to complain, I'm here to entertain.