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[quote name='KingEd' date='06 February 2010 - 03:05 PM' timestamp='1265465157' post='2164394'] Of course Sam, we all know how much you cared for Polar in the past and how much you care for them now. The only reason TSO/TOP/NpO were on good terms was out of convenience. [/quote] No, the only reason they were so close is because they (we) indeed share certain ideals. Also, we have [b]never [/b]been on good terms with Polar. In fact, I'd say our relation got even worse when their diplomats wanted to insult us on our very own Forums. And that is, in my opinion, not very convenient. And yes, I don't care for them...your point being?

[quote name='astronaut jones' date='06 February 2010 - 02:47 PM' timestamp='1265464065' post='2164360'] The only decision left is the individual one, and that is whether or not each individual person, knowing the current situation and the circumstances that lead to this situation, wants to be used [b]as political ammunition for leaders who don't care about them in the least, or whether they are fine with being used by others[/b] as a means for them to reach their goals. I don't want to be used by anyone. I came to Polar to get away from certain undesirables, and now I find myself sickened by everyone's behaviour, not just those I wished to get away from. [/quote] Well, you certainly cannot talk about TOP. Since TOP offered their help to you when you started your morale crusade, and TOP trusted you, when Grub said that he is going to get them white peace and rejoin the war. You are used by others, you are used by MK and by CnG and no one else. So far, TOP didn't gain anything from their involvement with NpO but a few lame promises from Grub.

Everyone seems to be fine with it, when Grämlins do it. I remember all the MK dudes saying,"Cool that we are still friends etc.". Yet, when TOP does it, it's wrong? Sure thing. That said, Tromp, I can also confirm that TOP had good relations with NpO. So yeah, go back to your oppertunistic believes. [sup][/sup]

[quote name='Urmom(U)' date='06 February 2010 - 06:58 AM' timestamp='1265435901' post='2163357'] Well, I guess Polar hasn't changed much. Have fun with your "allies". [/quote] I told you so. Letting Polar die, would have been the best option.

[quote name='Moridin' date='06 February 2010 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1265451801' post='2164179'] Declaring war on TOP puts more heat, not less, on the alliance. I can also fully guarantee that he got [i]more[/i] backlash from allies, not less, for going to NSO's aid, and [i]even more[/i] from the decision to hit TOP. This whole entire war has been one disaster after another that has continually put NpO in a worse and worse position, not better. If you think for even a second that NpO is somehow coming out on top here because of Grub's clever survivalist tactics you couldn't possibly be more wrong. Also, love the NAAC jabs. Because it totally makes you a "survivalist" if you join an alliance after your previous one [i]disbands[/i]. God knows there's plenty of legitimate criticism to go around here, why in the world do you need to resort to this crap? Grub decided to resign well before the DoW on TOP was planned. [/quote] And who is responsible for this "disaster"? I bet it isn't Grub

ODN doesn't want to play anymore

How many more people do you actually need on us

[quote name='scutterbug' date='01 February 2010 - 11:40 AM' timestamp='1265020846' post='2150227'] Clearly from what i have seen you say you are misinformed. Dare i mention the fact Crymson was specifically asking us who could hit FARK that wouldnt trigger an MHA counter? Irrelevant maybe seeings as we have since declared in defence of C&G/MK/Gre but it shows the lack of quality in your leadership and how much he wanted to treat us as puppets. Your leadership has screwed up incredibly and yet are still trying to blame others. That ship has long sailed and i'm handing out free mirrors for all TOP members. [/quote] This is the MHA we all know and love. Earlier or later, you'll regret this decision. Trust me. And I'll be there, and laugh

I think you will agree with me, that we'll never agree on this one.

It's not my tech. It's the tech I stole from your guys, and I have got more.

If I were you, I'd really work on my style.

See, EVEN you get bored. And trust me, all the we'll kill you, crush you, make you bleed, etc. etc. threats started to bore us early 2009.

The best post in this thread. The trash asked for it.

People like you are basically the reason we are so close to TOP. Idiots fail their Application process.

They have no fun, so they are the actual losers

Well first of all, we don't need to have the same opinion all the time, I think that's normal. And secondly, no where we said that we are mistake free. We believe, that we are in the right, when it comes to certain events, but yes, we have made many mistakes in the past. So what? We have had an exciting life, and never died because of boredom. The glass is half full not half empty.

We are happy when you are happy. Also, OOC, to your signature. That's not check mate. Just saying.

It's an MDoAP, so no matter what I have said, you'd have spinned it your way. Whatever, Archon has said several times in the past that he'll support his allies because they are his allies and not because he agrees with them. We surely don't have a MDAP with TOP, but I am sure our friendship is stronger, than the friendship between some of the CnG alliances. And we are, and have always been helping our friends, no matter what it cost us. Otherwise, TSO would have never formed. And you guys also have a good point. You hate us, and we "made you a present and attacked you". Well, I assume the feeling is mutual. Now, we finally gave you the chance to war the alliance you dislike so much, here we are. But please, stop all the hating, you only make us stronger Now, go and enjoy the fight, and just for once, stop being so utterly naive.

Well ODN, it's the first day of way and you already cry? Don't give us that, please. And no, we indeed had no obligation to join this war, but whenever TOP needs us, you can be sure, we'll be behind them.

Who cares, time for dinner.

Well, last year people gave us 2 weeks. It's been quite a ride. Also, we don't care what other people think about us, or who likes to watch us burning. And, I think there is no need for you to be concerned about peace negotiations now. I like war, and I can do it for quite some time

Certainly, ODN cannot be among them. o/ TSO

Yeah, that looks like Sparta. That's hope they get crushed this time.

He should have started with his allies.

You like him when he is writing about alliances you dislike and .....ahhh why do I even try? It's King Penchuk. Well, you supported the raids of GOONS, you supported several "suspicious" actions from NSO and now you are claiming the morale high ground?