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[quote name='Matt Miller' timestamp='1309636475' post='2747066'] Careful mate, word on the street is Sparta was about to surrender before being bailed out by current XX partners. Not that you did that badly, but a remark like that would lead people to believe you took down AZTEC without serious help. You guys were getting battered pretty badly and were saved in that war. [/quote] Why in the hell would we have surrendered? Our job wasn't to beat the crap out of AZTEC. Our role was to stall them to make sure that VE had a clear shot at polar without interference. Whether or not we shed stats had no bearing on that goal. Getting a victory was a nice bonus, but beating AZTEC militarily was not our primary objective. It was great that we did it, but whether we lost stars wise or not we would never have surrendered. If we did, our allies in C&G, SF, and PB would have been theatened, and we could not allow that.

[quote name='Lord Boris' timestamp='1309618906' post='2746875'] Everything I've seen from their last two military outings says they're still terrible. [/quote] If we were that terrible, AZTEC would not have surrendered.

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1309535103' post='2745993'] People forget the 2nd Moldavi Doctrine that was our gift to them. The global oDoAp you know? Technically we're still bound to NPO by that. (And every other alliance in existance mind you) [/quote] Technically you're bound to us too.

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1309522848' post='2745886'] Its a pity you cant measure will. Id like to compare the will of XX to everyone elses. Most of those below XX have fought long and savage wars that lasted a long time leaving them with less stats. Im pretty sure you could discount spartas stats or their desire to continue the fight after 15 days, perhaps MHAs too [/quote] TOP took a lot more than 15 days to take down. Just sayin...

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1309532838' post='2745964'] If they did I'd side with NPO and rein in the dark ages again just to spite them. [/quote] So [i]that's[/i] what that ODP is for.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1309488904' post='2745556'] Alright folks, wrap it up, go home. Hyperion has shut this one down with the "coulda been worse" deathkiss. Coulda been worse than forcing regime change at the point of a gun. NPO used viceroys while Sparta propped them up, so Hyperion knows. [/quote] Hey, I'm just saying people have been killed a lot harder for a lot less. R&R is a lot more patient and compassionate than I personally would have been. If UINE caused me as much a headache as they caused ego, they'd have gotten a lot worse than a wake up call and mercifully repealed terms. If you take anything away from this Schatt, it's that R&R is a better group of people than most of us.

[quote name='BamaBuc' timestamp='1309479411' post='2745430'] Not at all, we are simply saying that this does not change the fact that they were ridiculous to begin with. As I acknowledged in my post, this is at least better than continuing to enforce them. It's hardly worthy of applause though, as the terms were awful from the start. -Bama [/quote] UINE is lucky it was R&R they pissed off. After everything they had to put up with, most alliances would have done a lot worse for a lot longer.

[quote name='Buzz Lightyear' timestamp='1309471299' post='2745341'] TPF-NoV war? that was during the time when i was too noob to pay attention to politics. I didnt even know NpO was part of that war. Bi-Polar, hell, that was all kinds of $%&@ed up. lol. i still dont know what happened in that war [/quote] A 400 page book per night is light reading in comparison to all the crap my eyes had to endure that war.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1309404148' post='2744723'] It's a shame I don't kiss a person's ass for revoking something they never should have done to begin with, or I'd hop on the "good show" bandwagon. Get over yourselves. [/quote] I'm surprised you think the Schattenmann seal of approval is something to be desired on Bob. If anything, it's something to be avoided. Generally when you're pissed off, someone somewhere is doing it right.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1309398598' post='2744568'] I'll ask around for the logs. As for the Exodus gov claims, who said it? And even if true, just collecting warchest info doesn't mean we were going to declare war on you- maybe we just wanted to laugh at how sad they were [/quote] - A friend said it. I'm not outing him here. - You asked for our WC info. If it were for military purposes, sure I can see that move under coalition warfare, but if you were just spying for the sake of spying, well, quite frankly you're lucky you were already getting turned into a crater by the time we peaced with AZTEC. Not spying on sanctioned, well connected alliances is CN 101. Considering your history, I'm shocked you haven't learned that. edit: Thrawn's right. If you want to continue this elsewhere, I'm game. Haven't had me an NSO argument in way too long.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1309397658' post='2744556'] At this point, you are literally making things up lol. Let's think about this logically: why would a "pre-empt" consist of [i]3 destroy nuke spy ops?[/i] Are you really saying Sparta is [i]that bad[/i]? And what is this "collecting warchest info" nonsense? Again, completely making it up. Trust me, I would love nothing more than to claim we were going to declare on Sparta...but it just never was going to happen. You keep logs of everything, so please, go ahead and post the entire logs of that discussion. I think that would just clear this all right up . Edit: or ask anyone else in that channel for the log dump. Surely one of them keeps logs. [/quote] 1. We ordered spy ops, and then literally right as the order went out, it was recalled via our gov skype call due to exodus telling us you weren't hitting us after all. If you expected an entire blitz in a span of 30 seconds from spy order given to order canceled, well, I'd like to see NSO do it. 2. Exodus gov told me you were collecting our warchest info from them. Are you calling them liars? 3. I'm not on the same computer anymore, so no comp = no logs. Maybe someone else has them.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1309396396' post='2744542'] [img]http://oi54.tinypic.com/20z2mj6.jpg[/img] As you can see, no one else in Sparta had any idea why those spy-ops were authorized. Doesn't really mesh with your story does it? . That entire thing was a result of you being butthurt and throwing a fit. [/quote] Uh...no. Tigger is in a UK timezone and wasn't around for the pre-empt we launched. That is hardly no-one else, just one guy who wasn't there. That doesn't really mesh with [i]your[/i] story now does it? As for "you never planning on attacking"...I'm sure that's why you were collecting our warchest data. Obviously [i]nothing[/i] was going on there.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1309393626' post='2744515'] If by "sort of attacking" you mean "doing 2 steal nuke spy-ops", and if by "did nothing about it" you mean that your gov came into a channel with us and profusely apologized for you being retarded, and offered to pay reps when the war was over, sure. Reps we never got btw, and never bothered to ask for after we got peace because we didn't care that much. I wonder if LintWad kept logs of that. I'll ask him. [/quote] You mean when right as the blitz started it was called off because we heard you weren't going to hit us? We were pre-empting you, and when we heard all of your talk was yet again for nothing, we decided to focus back on AZTEC. The difference between you and us is that if we hear of a threat, we act on it. We don't just sit in a corner and pretend to be tough enough to attack someone. If you had half the balls you pretend you do, you would have hit us back, but you didn't. You sat there, scared, yet again. For all your talk of other alliances being worthless cowards, you guys take the cake. As for "profusely apologizing"...sure, you go right ahead and tell yourself that. The only thing I'm sorry about is that our Kings didn't feel like hitting an alliance that was about to get torn a new bung hole by Doomhouse anyway.

[quote name='pd73bassman' timestamp='1309385686' post='2744423'] I didn't know you realistically supported a war like that [/quote] I'm going to be out of town for a week. Why the Well would I support that !@#$storm right now? In all seriousness though, it's already almost happened more than once over the course of just a week. Ignoring that very real possibility in one thread while encouraging it in another doesn't really make sense for either side does it? If it were up to me, I'd tell everyone to stop skirting around the subject and just acknowledge that they want to kill each other, set a date, and go at it. If this is a game, who says there can't be a pre-game lobby? [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1309386059' post='2744427'] There is some guy around here that's been doing alot of stat threads lately. I think he has the balls to stand up to the FA overlords who would say "no, no that's a bad idea!" and post such a thread. [/quote] Posting a "who would win" thread has no FA consequences. You know what would have FA consequences though? - Trying to spy on NPO during the 2nd polar war. - Letting Tulak fake coup me out of MDC. - Accusing a bloc mate of spying and having one of the most awkward pub chan conversations with Chefjoe ever. - Hitting NPO in Karma. - Declaring war on Almightygrub after NSO dared me to. - Not hitting GATO. - Attacking AZTEC instead. - Sort of attacking NSO before the plug got pulled, and then laughing at them when they did nothing about it. I've done a lot worse than post hypothetical war threads that pass the time in this boring ass world, and I still somehow have a gov position. I guess that's a good thing right? That being said, I'm lazy as hell and I don't feel like clogging this forum with yet another of my threads. I'll wait for this one to die first.

[quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1309281745' post='2743511'] No, because FARK isn't in Superfriends anymore. The point is to not include outside treaties. [/quote] However, XX/SF vs AZTEC/DR/MJ, which let's all be honest is the only fight that realistically matters right now, would certainly be a fun measuring contest between many...enthusiastic individuals. I wonder how long it will take for someone to make that thread.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1309366638' post='2744264'] If you used formulas and there's nothing in the cells then how can they still be accurate? [/quote] I didn't use formulas. It's all manual. That's why the totals were unaffected.

[quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1309327564' post='2744024'] Hyperion, you continue to forget [i]Pillowfort[/i]. I'm starting to think your doing it on purpose. [/quote] Why the hell would I add PF? If you guys were in there everyone else would be irrelevant.

This embassy has made me realize how utterly insane Polar gov is/was. Why was Grub emperor? Seriously. Why.

Ah so THAT'S where RoK went. I was wondering how they disappeared. It's alright though, the total stats for DR were done with BAPS in there, they just somehow got switched around when I was screen capping, but no totals were changed.

So, a lot has happened lately, so I decided to update my previous stats. Somehow RoK got deleted, but I didn't have time to re-input their stuff. All of MJ's combined stats are there anyway though, so it's no big deal. Anyway, enjoy. [IMG]http://i51.tinypic.com/20a9fyd.png[/IMG] And just to save you all some time scrolling. [IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/65qph2.png[/IMG]

[quote name='Sandwich Controversy' timestamp='1309242938' post='2743293'] If anyone has coalition logs of any sort they should share, in the interest of transparency I mean, what harm could it do? (I for one have no logs despite my presence in many such channels sorry) [/quote] Someone needs to find the logs where we were all trying to keep WAPA from surrendering. My god was that a head ache.

Oh man this on would be pretty brutal. I'd love to see the propaganda war if this ever actually happened.

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1308887298' post='2740019'] Ariana Grande, she is 18 in 3 days. [/quote] [img]http://files.sharenator.com/close_enough_Trying_to_lose_weight-s636x251-129434.png[/img] On topic...actually...why is this topic still going on?

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1309059359' post='2741600'] Depends on who you're [s]rooting for[/s] planning against. [/quote] That's a little more accurate.

[quote name='Ryan Greenberg' timestamp='1309057996' post='2741573'] ...or we could just roll Pacifica again instead of fighting eachother? [/quote] Or roll Polar again.