ojiras ajeridas

So, how do we call this? Orrple II The Return of Orrple or Orrple - The Revenge? However, congrazzz to our great ally IRON, and of course also to Legion (you've really found a splendid alliance to be allied to)

Merry welcome, Argent! Glad you joined our little group of wannabe philatelists... or what was Citadel again? However, here are the rules: Don't eat my cookiez Don't touch my Jenko Don't steal Brother Kane's bikini pics ...and you'll see, Ojiras Ajeridas will be very nice to you

Wut? 3 years?????? Well, thank God I'm not in TOP for whole three years now.... I mean, I already watch the News on TV and wait for the latest news from Karma war.... but, well.... I hope TOP will suffer me for the next 3 years.... that would be cool! So, congrazzz to everyone of the alliance, and thanks for the nice wishes.

^^^ This. There were rumours out of nowhere. They were stated as not true. So what?

Isn't the important part of reps that one shown to the defied party of the war, and there specially those reps accepted by the defied party? So, isn't this whole discussion a bit pointless?

Congrazzz to all involved alliances. I hope IRON will reach peace with Fark and Grämlins, too, and I hope Fark and Grämlins will reach peace with IRON. And I hope this to happen soon. None of these alliances deserved to bleed how they did up to now in this unfortunate war.

Anything else than a white peace wouldn't fit in this situation. Every involved alliance did a good fight, and while there were no mercy on the battlefield, there was much honor outside. I have much respect at these alliances on the side of Hegemony. Although facing a large numerical superiority they fought without even thinking to complain. They entered the war with pride, and they leave the war with pride. And they deserve to do so. Invicta, Nebula X, although I didn't fight anyone of you directly, I have to say it was a pleasure to have opponents of your category. May your alliances soon return on old numerical strength. The moral strength is already on an all time high.

The main reason of TOP not fighting with IRON is the involvement of Grämlins in that war. When two of your friends are fighting, you better don't fight with one or the other.

I'm sure TOP will do the best to fit in this positive constructive role after the war, not looking where the alliances fought, but who the alliances are. And I'm confident that our alliances will get past this little misunderstanding, as it never was our objective to do anything that could leave a bad taste in IRON's mouth. The high reguards in which IRON is held at TOP didn't change in this conflict.

I really don't understand all this crying. NPO, when they declared war at OV, didn't see TOP as friend any more. Why else didn't they ask for help? I mean, if you look at their actions, TOP didn't play a big role in their hegemony system any more. In that peace talks, TOP was put aside when NPO was ready. I could imagine that NPO knew they went to war since the beginning. But that of course is hard to proof. Fact is the following: When you leave peace talks and declare war, you act aggressively. Acting aggressively you start a war. Starting a war, you bring war upon yourself: So, actually, this MDP was never obligatory in this war. And as TOP was the alliance (in person of GM Crymson) to lead the peace talks, for NPO it is quite hard to make us think something else. I mean, NPO brought this war upon itself. It was clear since the beginning that this wouldn't be a war where NPO stomped OV and that's it. Can't imagine that Crymson really took care that much about OV (I mean, I needed some time that OV doesn't mean One Vision ) if he didn't know the consequences of this war. As it seems, some guys of NPO undervalued these consequences. But, if I were NPO, I'd take an example at IRON and Invicta. They both are fighting, they aren't crying. And after all TOP didn't declare on NPO. We declared on Invicta. Invicta finished in this war as most alliances did. They didn't spy, they didn't break up peace talks. But the way they are acting now will bring them advantages after the war. Maybe NPO should begin to think too that sometimes you need other alliances, it's not always that other alliances need you.

Reading more and more into this thread, I'm learning more and more how cool actually that big orange alliance is, that unfortunately ended at the other side of the frontline.....

As it is the fact that you attacked during peace negotiations lead by us without any information in reguard. This is not the way true friends should act.

Great announcement! May you get up soon after the war and make Invicta great again! It's always a honour to stand on the battlefield in front of honourable opponents!

And there were such beliefs also among some members of TOP. But beside the pragmatism of TOP there's also some idealism inside, and this time that idealism won. It took some time and the toughest discussions for ages, and that's the reason we joined late. Only to look who will be winning, well in that case we would have been in the second day of the war

So, why would you agree to peace talks with Crymson as mediator, if you know that you will attack? Why should Crymson spend hours and hours on IRC if nobody in TOP thought that somebody would be interested in avoiding war? And how does TOP not feel somehow taken for a ride if all should have been nothing but show?

After all it's a sad day for TOP. We joined a war where very close friends fight another directly, where other friends spat in our face. We joined a war that could have been avoidable, but that went out of control that soon. We joined a war we wish it would finish very soon. It wasn't an easy decision to join a conflict where you're allies are that mixed up on both sides, and this makes the entry in a war very difficult. But we couldn't just stay behind the fence, eat some pop-corn and see things developing. We discussed it well, maybe too well, until we came to the conclusion that we had to join the side where most (not all) of our true friends already were. And here we are. Maybe with some delay, but we are proud to join our friends in the battlefield. If this is bandwaggoning, so may it be. I'm proud to be a bandwaggoner then.

Late as always: Here are also my congrazzz. I'm sure you missed them

Thank you very much! But first we have to stand here for 10 days

Thank you very much.... I sent out the money, and I am served for now...

OK, so there are still 3 slots

Make your choice! We can do this only once or long term, as you prefer... just contact me and tell you how you want to do it. I have 4 slots open a the moment and I'm willing to fill them all!

My alliance told me that I have to get some tech OK, I'm looking for a long term tech trade. I send you 2 millions, you send me 50 tech, a.s.o. I know, there's cheaper tech, but in this way I saw that I haven't to look out so much for it, and I'm a bit lazy in these things. I'm interested in getting 2 partners for this. And... I'll choose not necessarily the fastest to respond - as I prefer to trade with nations in alliances I've some friendships in. Hope this is not taken personal....

So, please sign up and subscribe there for tech deals... You'll be rich quite soon

The member count doesn't count very much for TOP. More important is that the new applicants are known by somebody and that they are active and cool. (Hey.... I'm cool!!! ) That's also why our applicants have a total NS of over 500,000....

Although, of course, a score of 30+ should be enough to get that sanction.... Wanna have the TOP flag as my nation flag For the rest, Chalaskan is more than right. It's not the sanction that makes an alliance a good alliance. BTW.... how many members are needed? 200?