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[quote name='Lord Levistus' timestamp='1296425316' post='2611562'] I don't think cowardly goes into it much, but then again I'm not in those alliances so I don't know how the discussion went. It's not cowardice to know when you're overmatched. [/quote] They bailed out of helping their allies to the best of their ability because they knew if they did they'd be destroyed. That's cowardice. [quote name='Moridin' timestamp='1296426285' post='2611591'] NPO didn't fight in the TPF war or in the Bipolar War. [/quote] I know that. Your point? [quote name='Earogema' timestamp='1296426611' post='2611604'] Actually I thought that was LM's fault. [/quote] When I say "you" I meant his side. [quote name='Learz' timestamp='1296427155' post='2611617'] OP, this is a game. A game. Not RL. Take a chill pill. [/quote] I don't know where you're getting the impression I'm upset, bro. [quote name='kinofp' timestamp='1296427328' post='2611621'] You're clearly ignoring some important facts here in your effort to smear us. The Legion and TPF both have 26K and 35K ANS respectively, and our other allies are not all that large. Since we're trying to defend NPO, you're saying that we should throw ourselves on all of DH and expect to survive? I'm sure that that would help NPO out a ton. [/quote] You're clearly ignoring the fact that Legion still has 75 members above 50k NS. You and NPO's other large allies Invicta, TPF, and NSO (if you could have persuaded them to come in) coupled with NPO's middle tier could have done a lot of damage.

[quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1296425097' post='2611555'] It is a lot harder to rebuild like alliances used to in the old days. NPO wasn't rebuilt yet either. [/quote] They were still rebuilt enough to combat MK and Umbrella (somewhat) not to mention they had to pay huge reps too.

[quote name='Lord Levistus' timestamp='1296424620' post='2611544'] I'm not vilifying the action, it's extremely pragmatic and sensible. [/quote] Not to mention cowardly.

[quote name='Moridin' timestamp='1296423770' post='2611526'] Getting nations from ZI to 70k or 80k NS, with solid tech ratios and strong warchests, is not something that can feasibly be done in a year. [/quote] They could have easily gotten their nations to 50k ANS (MK's ANS) within a year. Alliances do it all the time.

[quote name='mhawk' timestamp='1296423690' post='2611523'] You don't remember the beat down during Christmas, followed a few months later by the bipolar war? [/quote] TPF peaced out last February. You've had about a year (minus about fifteen days) to rebuild.

[quote name='xoindotnler' timestamp='1296423505' post='2611518'] Yeah because the entire war is decided in one week. [/quote] I don't see where I said that. My point is, unless you're going to declare on MK or Umbrella later (even by then Pacifica will have been destroyed) attacking GOONS will do nothing since they'll just rebuild quickly.

[quote name='mhawk' timestamp='1296423086' post='2611499'] Some of us have been beat down so many times we lack the capability to play in the upper tier. [/quote] Please, you're not FAN or Vox. You've had a year (without reps in TPF's case) since the last war to rebuild.

[quote name='Dr.Gamer' timestamp='1296423122' post='2611503'] So by your logic, crippling the war-machine by going after the weakest link is wrong? The sheer difference of strength, DM vs NPO (Alone) was massive. Are you mad that people are able to shrug off old grudges and help allies? [/quote] It'd make sense if you were actually able to keep GOONS down for longer than a few months. (Hint: You're not)

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1296421934' post='2611470'] Yes, a mediocre general will attack his opponent where they are weak, but a truly great one will just bend over and take it. [/quote] Please, don't feed me the bull about your side's great military strategy. The last time you tried to put together a plan you failed miserably (see TPF war). But fine, don't listen to me. Wait till your opponents take you all out one at a time and you're too scared to put together a solid defense.

[quote name='Muddog' timestamp='1296421199' post='2611454'] The best they can do and what they choose to do may or may not be the the same thing, only time will tell. [/quote] Do they think that beating up on GOONS is going to damage DH in the long run? It will literally take two months to rebuild GOONS to what it was pre-war.

[quote name='kevin32891' timestamp='1296420571' post='2611440'] I can think of two reasons. [/quote] Well please speak up.

Really? So let's look at the numbers. You attack the the weakest alliance in the Doom House coalition, GOONS, an alliance with a staggering 13k ANS and 900 nukes but you leave the two biggest alliances (Umbrella and MK) who have 90k ANS/2000 nukes and 50k ANS/3000 nukes respectively, the ones that will do the most damage to the NPO (the alliance you swore to protect), virtually untouched? Why? You wonder why everyone considers your side to be a side composed of paper tigers. This is why. I think I can speak for a lot of people when I say, is this the best you guys can do?

As per usual, you speak and do nothing.

[quote name='Chickenzilla' timestamp='1296154369' post='2605898'] idk why people concentrate on GOONS, they literally don't give a $%&@ about anything but war on bob. If they are trying to get GOONS to peace out I don't think they know who they're dealing with. [/quote] Which is why they were taking the PR route for more than a year right? If GOONS was so hungry for war they wouldn't have capitulated to Polaris. If GOONS was so hungry for war they would have told PC and iFOK to honor their treaties.

I expect the world will be led by the Brotherhood of Steel.

[quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1296107183' post='2604791'] We are actually going to sit this one out. GG though. [/quote] Then how will the world tremble?

Where are the declarations on MK. What the hell guys?

Well about time.

Well about time.

[quote name='MrMuz' timestamp='1296100584' post='2604134']This might have turned out different if NPO decided to just cut it out and maybe just made a tech deal or something with a Karma alliance, but they didn't. [/quote] I guess the only way to say sorry is to brown nose your opponents.

[quote name='CEverettKoop' timestamp='1296098813' post='2604048'] [url="http://www.cybernations.net/allAlliances_display.asp"]In fact, here is said list.[/url] [/quote] I look forward to the GOONS rolling the Viridian Entente, Umbrella and MK.

It seems the only way to be forgiven is to be turned into a permanent tech farm. I'll keep that in mind.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1296087044' post='2603642'] You still owe tech, btw. [/quote] I'm getting so much from these MK nations, shouldn't be a problem.

This is great. Good luck.

But NV did nothing to Sparta. This [b]decleration[/b] is terrible.