Stonewall Jaxon

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1340634047' post='2995838'] Attention whore topic about being tech raided? How original. [/quote] I believe your point was addressed by the topic title, but thank you for your contribution to the conversation.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1340603616' post='2995551'] [color="#0000FF"]Tech is quite cheap at the level you will be at, and I could scare object if you have friends who would insist on paying your debt to me. I am not an unreasonable man, but I am a prideful one. I shall not participate in a "humiliation" style wager. There is hardly anything truly humiliating or humbling about them. They are naught but juvenile stupidity. So, sir, how much shall it be? Or are you starting to doubt your odds?[/color] [/quote] Two rounds of slots, then? 30 million, or 500 tech?

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1340602986' post='2995528'] [color="#0000FF"]So, are you still wanting to take my wager? How much tech do you care to put on the line? If you pay anything to GOONS, no matter how minute, you will have lost and I will be owed what is agreed. Should, however, for some reason you try GOONS so much that they break their own policy for you then I shall eat my hate and pay to you what is agreed. So, how much shall it be?[/color] [/quote] Well the issue therein is that I expect my capacity to pay any debt by the end of this will be highly incapacitated. Perhaps a humiliation-style wager?

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1340602681' post='2995510'] We've been at perpetual war with RUKUNU for years now (by his choice). By all means, join him. [/quote] You'll find me to be a much more capable foe

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1340600466' post='2995394'] [color="#0000FF"]I predict that you will either surrender or cease to be. GOONS will not give you white peace, and for that I thank them. You will be paying reparations. Count on it.[/color] [/quote] Would you care to place a wager, sir? Also, did you actually sell out or are you doing your usual tongue-in-cheek posting persona? I can't search right now to see if you're actually an MK member

Going rogue is so pointless these days. Usually it's only done as a means of "going out in style" or whoring for attention. Well, I suppose this one is the latter. However, to get attention while roguing, one typically just DoE's a new alliance and formally declares war on its target. Oh, hey look [center][img] http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr328/jonnydanger72841/confederate-flag-1-1024x768.jpg[/img][/center] I hereby declare the alliance of Dixie. We choose not to communicate through forums due to the security breaches which typically result from having a forum. We do, however have an IRC channel, #dixie. That's all we need to be a legitimate alliance, right? Oh, a Charter. [Quote] The President has full and absolute powers until a time at which more States convene and join our Confederacy. At a time at which four States have joined, a Constitutional Convention will be held to draft a permanent Charter. [/quote] There now it's legitimate And now, our first announcement! Dixie hereby declares war on GOONS /s/ -Stonewall Jaxon, President Now comes the more serious part of my post. One thing I will say is that I am enjoying the precedent DoomHouse and its ilk have set in that a CB is no longer necessary for declaring war. So, there is no CB here. I'm declaring war on GOONS partially because I don't like them. This is my right in accordance with the Moldavi Doctrine which states that my sovereignty as an alliance enables me to declare in defense of whatever alliance I damn well please. However, why GOONS when I also don't like a long list of alliances on their "side?" Well, they have this unwritten (or it could be written, I don't really care which) that states that if an alliance attacks them, then that alliance will pay reps. However, I challenge this doctrine. There will be no peace between myself and GOONS unless that peace is white as the stars on my flag. We will see whose will is stronger in this concept. There will be no surrender, no deletion. Only white peace. Your move, GOONies. -Jaxon.

I don't see the justification that MK needs GOONS to attack CSN. Granted, MK has been well-countered, but NATO is much larger than GOONS and also has no counter. They would also qualify for the defensive part of MK and GOONS' MDoAP. Therefore, if MK needed help, and GOONS wanted to be a good ally, wouldn't they attack NATO or Regnum Invictorum? In agreement with my "kicker" analogy, either GOONS has chosen the easiest war available to them, or MK has selected them for the simplest war knowing how incompetent GOONS are at war.

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1340588477' post='2994906'] You've certainly proven you're familiar with logical notation. Bravo, wouldn't want anyone thinking you're dumb as you desperately attempt to make a point. In doing so however you've demonstrated a glaring inability to make a logical inference. Funny how that is, not being able to deduce that my very first post in response to yours adequately takes care of 1. You remember that one, right? The one that started off by mentioning that our assistance was requested. Or is honoring a treaty only ~honorable~ when it fulfills some propaganda-related purpose?[/quote] This discussion is underway in my conversation with whats-his-name-from-TOP. Please join in there to further pursue that point, as my above post has the rebuttal. [quote]Aren't you just pulling out all of the stops here (playing the [i]You're dumb, that's not the word you meant![/i] game)? [/quote] I've never actually heard of the game. I just pointed out that you implied, by the use of the same term, that two very situations were remotely comparable. Don't take my correction of your error so personally; it is not intended that way [quote]Except, no, I did mean just that. GOONS was far from distressed at that time (we were elated that your coalition elected to pursue a losing strategy). Given your tone in this thread (what with the frustrated cussing and attempts at belittlement), can you really, honestly say the same? [/quote] Our coalition at the time had no winning strategy, so we attacked the weakest link in the opposing coalition to inflict the most possible damage. It is a heavily justifiable course of action as far as utilizing an outnumbered force is concerned. Do you [quote]Forgive me for answering a question with a question, but are you claiming that the twelve alliances that declared on us in the NPO-DH war were not bested? That they were not defeated? Which version of revisionist history are we recognizing here? [/quote] Of course you were intentionally leave out the "by GOONS" part of my claim. GOONS didn't do !@#$ against us, in fact you had to call in ODN, MK, and Umbrella, and we were, what, 20 nations then? That's half a Kaskus! Seems you relished the idea of a "tough war" indeed

[quote name='Mephala' timestamp='1340587272' post='2994893'] In the same way, is an alliance that honors its treaty obligations respectable? Arguably, that is what GOONS are doing here, honoring a treaty. Their war is legitimate because it has a legal, treaty basis. Maybe you think that MK's DoW on CSN was not respectable. But let's, for the sake of argument, say that MK had an MDAP with alliance X. MK attacks CSN and, again for the sake of argument, let's say MK is totally unjustified. If MK didn't ask for any input from alliance X and alliance X had no part in the decision to declare war, is alliance X respectable for still honoring their treaty with MK? I think most of us in this game would say yes and we would save our scorn for MK and not alliance X. [/quote] So then, rather than make the qualifier for a respectable war aggressive/defensive, you prefer justified/unjustified? I suppose that does cover more bases. So then, what justifies GOONS' entrance to the war? Clearly, it's been agreed upon, even by MK's posters, that their war on CSN is essentially an aggressive and unjustified war on CSN for their own gain. While GOONS has an oAP with MK, does that really make their entrance to the war justified? I mean, they are not bound one way or the other in this conflict, so with or without the treaty the decision to enter the war is theirs entirely. As Moldavi explained, an alliance has to recognize its sovereign right to declare war on another alliance or not, so GOONS' war on CSN is as optional as Umbrella's attack on Fark. Now, if MK had gotten in over its head with this war and its ally GOONS came to its aid, then they would be protecting their allies' interests, and it could arguably be justifiable. Unfortunately, this is not the case. MK has committed a blatantly aggressive, unjustified war, and have even stated that they will not offer surrender terms to CSN nations. They do not need GOONS, and this is their war. I don't see anything there which justifies GOONS' entrance here, even with the treaty.

[quote name='Mephala' timestamp='1340586190' post='2994884'] I don't accept your premises. IRON's war against LSF is easy but certainly respectable. Their CB has been near universally accepted as legitimate. It's quite possible for a war to be both easy and respectable. [/quote] Excellent! Now we're getting somewhere. Since you have proven (E ∙ R) can be true, I suppose I have to further complicate my premises by adding a condition. How about if a war is easy and aggressive, then it is not respectable? After all, doesn't the "valid CB" argument we see in CN usually, at its core, "was an aggressive act enacted upon the declaring alliance in such a manner as to make the war still defensive?" For example, spying is certainly considered an act of war and thus it is also a valid CB. Therefore, since aggressive action to undermine the sovereignty of IRON, then the war is Easy but not Aggressive? Does that alternation cover the bases, then? Also, Ardus, the logic notations were in parentheses after the full words

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1340583977' post='2994858'] You're not counting war slots, just using them as your sole criteria for what makes a worthy war? Again, got it. [/quote] Jesus $%&@, how dumb can a guy be? I'm saying your war isn't hard, and there's no respect to be gained in a cupcake war. You've said nothing to refute this. I'll help you out. If we break this down logically, like we used to in second grade, because apparently you think you've somehow proved my point false without doing either of the logical prerequisites to refuting my argument My statement is as follows: If a war is Easy, then it is not Respectable (E ⊃ ∼R) Your war is Easy (E) Therefore ∴ it is not Respectable (∼R) (by rule of Modus Ponens) Now, seeing as this is a basic syllogism, there are a few simple but limited options to prove me wrong. You can prove one of two points: 1. It is not necessarily try that if a war is Easy, then it is not Respectable [∼(E⊃∼R)] 2. You war is not Easy (∼E) You have made neither of these arguments, therefore you cannot have disputed my logic in any way shape or form. Any questions regarding this extremely simple Boolean Algebra? [quote]How astute of an observation... in the very thread where you howl like a little !@#$%* (to borrow your terminology) about our choice of a war target (as if you have any vested interest in the matter). I call those reps exactly what they are - acknowledgement that despite your very best efforts you came up far, far too short against these paper-tigers of terrible fighters. [/quote] The term "howling" implies a pleading, distressed tone, which is accurate to describe your situation in the war which you are referencing. However, I am neither pleading nor distressed. Since you lack any knowledge of common English, I'll direct you to the proper condescending term to use for my posting here: whining. You're welcome. Feel free to use it, but please credit me in footnote each time. Thank you. Also, are you claiming that the twelve alliances who declared on you in the NPO-DH war were bested by your fighters and thus had to surrender to... you? Obviously that would be a laughable concept seeing how greatly your alliance suffered and required assistance, so I'll give you a chance to alter or retract that statement before I mock you for how ridiculous that idea is.

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1340582691' post='2994840'] Nice try. Except I took exactly what you said and demonstrated precisely why it was so ridiculous. [i]GOONS are cowards because they didn't attack an alliance with more war slots.[/i] That's terrible (not to mention laughably subjective) criteria for prudent determination of who to declare war on here given the circumstances. [/quote] You know the alliance you're hitting is an easy target; you know I am justified in calling you out for taking that easy target. I'm not counting war slots; I'm looking at a world at war and seeing you trying to play the role of kicker on the DoomHouse football team because you're too scrawny to take a real hit. [quote]Perhaps a bit bitter that these paper-tigers of terrible fighters came out on top when you and 11 other alliances piled on us a couple wars ago? CoJ has sure shown us all up. [/quote] Came out on top? I recall you howling like little !@#$%*es and demanding your more respectable friends extract ridiculous reps so you could pretend to come out of the conflict with a little dignity. I guess you could call our reps a "roughing the kicker" penalty, eh?

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1340581328' post='2994817'] We should have told MK no when requested, instead hitting the alliance with the most open war slots on Planet Bob, period (since that seems to be the only worthy criteria when determining who to hit, in your eyes). Your point is awful. Plain and simple. [/quote] Of course, I criticize you for hitting an alliance that is already outnumbered by its current foe, so naturally you twist that understandable critique into something ridiculous and argue against that. You can't expect to regain any of the respect you've lost this year with DoWs like this. Maybe once you've actually proven yourselves to be anything but a massive paper-tiger of terrible fighters I'll stop posting with so much contempt for you.

[quote name='hapapants' timestamp='1340581003' post='2994809'] Is it more cowardly to abandon allies or aid an ally upon their request? Our allies asked us to help /w CSN and so we did. You're acting as if our allies asked us to go baby seal clubbing. Of course we probably would join them either way. Gotta get my bat... [/quote] Well, as if the fact that MK needs help with CSN is going to make me roll my eyes at y'all any less.

[quote name='Neo Uruk' timestamp='1340580159' post='2994801'] Did you know that CSN has allies (and a blocmate even!) that could come to their aid. I mean, Invicta is talking mad !@#$ about how awesome they are at war, right? [/quote] I see your point, but it's irrelevant. My point still stands- to pile on one tiny alliance like this when there are so many more war slots to be had elsewhere is cowardly on the part of GOONS. Plain and simple.

What a brave DoW! I suppose getting whipped by Kaskus earlier in the year has made you scared to hit any alliance whose war slots are not already filled, eh?

[quote name='Starfox101' timestamp='1340235557' post='2990750'] They got me with said logic in this thread too. Man I was so uncool and unhip. [/quote] I think with every step toward adulthood (graduating middle school, kissing a girl, etc) you lose touch of MK's reasoning a little bit more each time

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1340235281' post='2990744'] Are you trolling your own government? [/quote] It's Mushroom Kingdom logic. If they sarcastically do their detractors' mocking for them, said mocking becomes logically illegitimate because their detractors cannot criticize them by agreeing with them. Make sense? No? You're taking things too seriously. Hurr durr.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1340116173' post='2988860'] When Fark got beatdown last war and more alliances jumped on them did Sparta come running to the rescue or did they send more nations into peace mode? [/quote] Fair enough. I suppose I have too much respect for the paper tigers of XX sometimes.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1340115488' post='2988856'] I'm not really talking about Fark. I'm talking about Sparta, they hit peace mode so hard when we declared on Fark, it was hilarious. I'm just offering some constructive criticism because they really are starting to look as bad as Legion used to look, if they want any sort of respect then they need to show us their huge spartan war balls(if they have any) For the record we informed our "handlers" of our plan to hit Fark about 30 minutes before we launched the attack. Personally I would've preferred Sparta instead of Fark but y'know, peace mode. [/quote] If you wish to lure Sparta into a fight, perhaps get GOONS in on the Fark expedition? The two of you put together make one substantial alliance, and without the two of you together you can't hope to beat anyone in all three tiers.

I would've made him sit in peace mode for perpetuity. This is quite understanding of you, jerdge

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1340113124' post='2988840'] Because hiding in PM for the entire war is the equivalent of taking your balls and going home because you're not winning (if they are indeed hiding for the duration of the war) If that's how people plan on winning losing wars from now on this planet is going to be a very dull place. It's a pretty terrible precedent to be setting: If you can't win, just hide until you can. Imagine if everyone did that. Imagine if the tables got turned on us and we proceeded to do the same damn thing. Imagine how god damn boring that'd be for the entire planet if everytime it looked like someone was going to lose, the losing party just hid until their opponents just got sick of it and offered peace. If you intend on hiding for the entire duration of a war without even trying to put up a fight then it is cowardice and there's no other way to spin it. It's not a case of not giving the enemy what it wants, it's a case of you refusing to accept any losses to in order to live to fight another day but that's only true if you actually do some fighting in the first place. So instead, take your licks and give your opponent as good a beating as you can and then you might live to [i]actually[/i] fight another day instead of running for cover every time it looks like you might lose something. Who knows, maybe if you stopped running then you'd stop losing. [/quote] This reminds me of the days of the second VietFAN. The very premise of guerrilla warfare is that any party will try to fight on its own terms, not there terms of its opponents. Though there are great costs to avoiding costly conflict, they can still inflict damage upon the enemy over a long period of time. Eventually, the opposition realizes that further pursuit is more costly than beneficial. That is what winning is to an alliance trying to defend its sovereign soil. Now, should Fark have initiated this conflict, I would have called such guerrilla tactics cowardly and ill-advised. However, you attacked them for no reason other than because your handlers instructed you to do so, and therefore you must fight on Fark's terms.

The only way at this point to beat Umbrella's top tier, I think, would be to unleash Hime Themis on it for an extended period

[quote name='Viluin' timestamp='1340042361' post='2987808'] Destroying 3 billion dollars of my warchest is retarded, sorry. I refuse to do that out of principle. [/quote] Hey look, the guy that rouged then tried to !@#$%* and moan his way out of it on the OWF from peace mode has... a sense of pride?

All I've gotten from this topic is a immense amount of respect (and I already had a ton) for jerdge. He's compromised, been understanding, and generally entertained a whiny rogue who doesn't want to pay perfectly fair reps. Even after this nonsense thread, he offered Viluin a one-off solution (destroy cash reserves) which wouldn't cripple him too badly, yet he still refuses and makes no point besides this Polish hostage situation. What is it you want, Viluin, to be let off scott-free? Jerdge has offered you every accommodation to try to a solution, yet you seem to be unwilling to accept anything but white peace. While the CN community is generally a fan of white peace, nobody is going to think you deserve it when you rouged on somebody. What do you think you deserve, exactly? You've made no reasonable offer here. Also, I've fought wars for months on end. I enjoyed every minute of it