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[quote name='Ada069' date='01 February 2010 - 02:13 PM' timestamp='1265030001' post='2150308'] Rebel Virgina is right. Power Corrupts. Lets hope smarter heads prevail. But i wouldent be shocked of Terms inline with NPO, But i doubt it will be as harsh as Karma. Then again.. TOP have alll that TECH *Drools* [/quote] TOP is keeping all that tech, sorry. Maybe blowing it up, okay, but getting it? fat chance

[quote name='Delta1212' date='31 January 2010 - 10:49 PM' timestamp='1264974566' post='2148372'] Um... I don't think that TOP sitting above C&G with no one in range to attack would be a victory. They'd effectively be able to embargo you from doing tech deals ever again... [/quote] Even so, it's more than what most people assume we will achieve, so it's a relative victory. Just like MK was beaten down in the WoTC but the damage they caused could be seen as a relative victory, and it certainly helped them eventually.

[quote name='commander thrawn' date='31 January 2010 - 10:45 PM' timestamp='1264974304' post='2148364'] I call em how I see em. It won't be easy, but I think you guys will lose. [/quote] So far MK is losing more, percentage wise in NS, than TOP. At least, that's what UE's stats tell me.

For those who like us less: LEEEROOOY! (not sure about the necessary multiplication of letters) In general (this was harder ): The Orders (what do you mean that is taken? And yes, I know, TJO and OBR are on the other side. Also doesn't count IRON, TSO, etc.)

[quote name='necAnt' date='31 January 2010 - 10:28 PM' timestamp='1264973326' post='2148322'] burn traitor. as you may never again defile the name, of the only one, again. [/quote] The Platypus is our sigil, Johan a name we associate with it. But in the end, we fight not for Johan but for the Platypus on our flag.

The Order has faults, yes. Considerably less than most other alliances, though, so being in those to attack TOP is not really usefull.

[quote name='Lemeard' date='31 January 2010 - 10:01 PM' timestamp='1264971694' post='2148242'] You, as well as I, know that the TOP of today isn't the TOP we once got to know and appreciated. I don't blame you for taking up arms to defend the image that you still have of the order form way back then. This war is not about me, or any sort of vendetta or revenge. It's about the order betraying the ideals that they once claimed to uphold. It's about Johan finally giving them the punishment they deserve from straying off the paradoxian path in the hunt for material and personal gains. With any luck TOP will become an honourable alliance again after they've been through this bath of steel. I know that the chances of that probably are slim, but you never know. [/quote] honourable like going into a fit when we are not really convinced we should crucify one of our own without evidence? No thanks.

[quote name='Mussolandia' date='31 January 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1264970158' post='2148180'] Huh, I strangely seem to have missed this thread. Fighting a war along with TOP was definitely not in our plans one year ago. It seems circumstances have put us on the same side. Let's not pretend we love each other now, but I can honestly say we've never disliked you. TOP have always done things their own way and it is something I value, even with the associated flaws that come with it. Good luck, TOP. May that programmer you pray to help you. [/quote] Thanks, though I doubt Johan will, but the sign of the Platypus just might In Hoc Signo Vinces is our motto after all, officially, not Johan Vult But yes, I hadn't really expected us to fight on the same side again, but then I guess it wasn't a complete fluke either considering much of what became NSO was on the same side as TOP in earlier wars.

[quote name='IronMan17' date='31 January 2010 - 09:23 PM' timestamp='1264969381' post='2148156'] These stats were never right to start with..... IRON had lost more than 1 million by day one..... Same with TOP. [/quote] When comparing with UE's stats... That doesn't seem to be all that true.

I didn't think it was dishonourable when LUE did it in GW3, either. You do what you gotta do. And for all the enemies: if you don't like Echelon and think Caffine is a bad leader, wouldn't you want him IN government?

Is this where we discuss shark-fin soup recipes? Also, welcome to the fight. Somehow you always seem to end up on the side I am not on

[quote name='Jerichoholic' date='31 January 2010 - 01:42 PM' timestamp='1264941756' post='2147417'] No, it's closer to Japan of OE attacking the United States. Japan wanted to neutralize the US before it could counter attack. It was very paranoid about the US declaring war on Japan and interfering with its aims in the Pacific. It wanted to get the tactical advantage by launching a surprise attack on a nation not militarily engaged in the conflict and because of its paranoia helped bring about its own destruction that much quicker. Sound familiar? http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Old_Earth [/quote] Actually... Japan was pretty much justified in that decision too once you assume their war in China was ok, the USA were going to intervene against Japan at some point. It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you, it just changes the time when you fight (and usually brings it forward).

[quote name='nutkase' date='31 January 2010 - 01:00 PM' timestamp='1264939217' post='2147367'] You just made yourself look like a complete fool. [/quote] If you can use nonexistent treaty text to justify things, I can too. Either don't use the treaty text at all, or keep the treaty.

[img]http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr139/Atlis14/Media/requests/ThisTall-1.png[/img] I don't know exactly who made it, but I didn't

Yes; we also had an unwritten treaty with IRON which stated 'if \m/ is attacked by NpO, that is a C&G attack on us both'.

[quote name='Lemeard' date='31 January 2010 - 11:59 AM' timestamp='1264935545' post='2147311'] I give this declaration 13/10. They've dragged the Paradoxian name in the dirt for far too long. [/quote] Please, do elaborate. Might make people understand Saber a bit better. It can't be the paranoia that others accuse us of.

Huh? We attacked C&G mostly because ODN joined them? No, the greater animosity is in any case between IRON and ODN, not TOP and ODN, and apart from that ODN is not and never has been the motivation for this war.

Thank you, Ivan. You are as welcome as you could ever be. May your foes crumble before you as they did in the old days.

apart from the missing no in Saber's government position, I see no hypocrisy in saying Lemeard actually had nothing to fear.

[quote name='Erich Ludendorff' date='31 January 2010 - 08:49 AM' timestamp='1264924186' post='2147118'] What would you have us do? Sit idly by while the Paradoxian menace plans our demise? Cast out our cocky brethren into certain doom? A TOP member has already confirmed that if they were not in TJO, they would have much to fear from TOP's leadership. It is only a matter of time before they corner us, to trap the cocky ones. Or maybe even begin to hate us for our own cockiness. [/quote] Actually, no. For one, Saber is not TOP leadership, for two, they wouldn't have much to fear from even Saber if they were still in Universalis, and they would have NOTHING to fear if they were in any other possible place, including TJO. Please read what I write.

Did MK really have a bigger percentage-wise drop than us? Wow

[quote name='Working_Class_Ruler' date='31 January 2010 - 05:22 AM' timestamp='1264911742' post='2146533'] That is the biggest load of guilt-trip !@#$%^&* I have ever heard. You attacked a weaker party without provocation, without defensive obligations, in order to opportunistically and aggressively strike them while their friends were tied up in another conflict. You started this mess, you dragged Härmlins in, you should be the one apologizing to us. And do not think for one second that anyone is going to fall for your hypocritical protestations. [/quote] C&G was actually not really a weaker party, statistically. Unless of course we were just supporting NpO, in which case our opposition was weaker than we were.

[quote name='Erich Ludendorff' date='31 January 2010 - 07:05 AM' timestamp='1264917913' post='2146894'] If he wasn't in TJO, he would have something to fear? [/quote] If he were in Universalis, he might have something to fear from Saber. In any other alliance or none, not likely.

[quote name='Elyat' date='31 January 2010 - 07:00 AM' timestamp='1264917628' post='2146878'] That's right. We just used a 2-year-old CB. Why don't you come out of peace mode and complain? [/quote] Ehh, learn to search CN. I am in 3 wars?

[quote name='King DrunkWino' date='31 January 2010 - 06:59 AM' timestamp='1264917552' post='2146872'] Ahem. A good CB is like a good wine. Everything in it's proper season. /sides, I thought those things were optional nowadays anyway. [/quote] Hmm, I suppose so Though, it should be noted, Lemeard really has nothing to fear in TJO. We aren't gunning for ski11585 these days, either. Unless of course he goes on about his true paradoxian thing.