Sir Sci

[quote name='Atlashill' date='12 March 2010 - 10:35 PM' timestamp='1268455235' post='2224034'] One of Invicta's first treaties was a PIAT with NOAH. It was a joy for us to work with NOAH in arranging and maintaining this friendship. NOAH was truly one of CN's best class acts and, until now, unsung heroes. They did it right. [/quote] That was one awesome treaty. I still hold a special place for Invicta in my heart.

[quote name='Emperor Noodla' date='12 March 2010 - 08:10 PM' timestamp='1268446560' post='2223895'] Then you are an idiot.....plain and simple. The situation, circumstances and environment surrounding P_C's coup was drastically different from the present. [/quote] Maybe I am an idiot, but that doesn't make me wrong. I'm not saying that the past GGA governments WERE actually illegal, just that the current one isn't. Sure, the situation, circumstances and environment are different, they always are. The fact remains that if one coup is illegal in an alliance, then another coup in the same alliance must therefore be illegal too. In most circumstances I'd be against an illegal coup, but the GGA does it all the time. It almost seems like tradition.

[quote name='DerekJones' date='12 March 2010 - 07:13 PM' timestamp='1268443118' post='2223829'] I think the point that he was making is that it was hardly a coup of the people, especially when you lose 40 percent of your members as well as enact measures that, when put to popular vote, did not pass. Don't confuse support for apathy. This is also discounting the fact that this version of the GGA is hardly what I'd call successful. Rather than fight, members who are active who didn't support the coup left and formed new alliances with the belief that starting fresh would yield more results. So far, all Jonathan and co. have done is take over a mostly lethargic membership base that's lost most of the reputable members it had left from a dwindling membership base. Time will tell if the coup is truly successful, but I'm not holding out much hope. [/quote] And yet, there they are, with the Grand Global Alliance. They exist, they still have 60 members, and the fact is that coups are nothing new for the GGA. The previous charter was established via a coup that, at the time, many members left because of. Did that make the last charter and its governments not the GGA? For those who would say that the new GGA is the GGA in name only because of the coup, then I will argue that the GGA has been the GGA in name only ever since P_C was overthrown.

[quote name='KungFuHamster' date='12 March 2010 - 03:06 PM' timestamp='1268428292' post='2223578'] If a 60% membership retention is an effective coup .... well, thats just a shame. EDIT: Decided to use retention stats instead of loss stats. [/quote] Oh good job, address part of what I said but not all of it. I'm so proud. And obviously it was an effective coup, because they're the GGA and those who aren't with them anymore, well, aren't.

[quote name='DerekJones' date='12 March 2010 - 01:46 PM' timestamp='1268423528' post='2223534'] Or you could influence it by illegally taking it over from the outside. That seemed to have more of an effect than legitimate members voting down these very same decisions about their alliance. Obviously not so simple logic. [/quote] Actually, it is. Ya wanna know why? Because if new leaders has no support in a coup of sorts, then it doesn't work. If JB, Dementual, and the others didn't have the support of the majority of the members in the GGA, then nothing would have happened. Take for example the coup that Depraved tried to stage in GATO. He took over the forums, banned leadership, and so on. It didn't make a difference because the membership didn't support the new "leadership." So, new forums were created and Depraved failed to take over. In the case of the GGA coups really aren't out of the question, now are they? P_C was removed via an illegal coup and the international community supported it. Now that the charter has been reverted to something much closer to how it first was, I think this is a more legitimate government than has existed in a long time in the GGA. So, at the end of the day, if the membership didn't support this as a whole, then the new leadership would have failed.

So, I like having breakfast food at night. Would that qualify as a random breakfast?

[quote name='Kindom of Goon' date='12 March 2010 - 12:34 PM' timestamp='1268419216' post='2223485'] Hi GATO, I love you guys but if you could stop growing for a while or even lose some score that would be great [/quote] Sorry, we're gaining as so far today.

[quote name='RedHand' date='12 March 2010 - 10:46 AM' timestamp='1268412719' post='2223425'] Are you suggesting that members should stay and have a vote on the direction the alliance should take? We tried that already, with the vast majority of those who voted voting against change, yet JB and his band of merry men just decided that they knew what was best for the alliance and installed themselves as rulers. The loss of over 40% of the membership shows just how popular an uprising it was. They can bangle their coup..... [/quote] No, that does not appear to be what he is suggesting at all. It seems more accurate that what he's saying is that if anybody wants to influence the course that the GGA is going, that they should be in the alliance. You can't help or influence an alliance internally without, well, being in it. Simple logic.

Magic, you just had to come in and say it, didn't you? Best of luck in finding a decent alliance to merge with NUF. I'd say that if you want to keep your identity (as it seems you'd like to) to find another mid or small sized alliance to merge with. I would recommend GATO's current protectorate, ICAN. They're a good bunch of people. Either way, best of luck.

[quote name='Aeternalis' date='12 March 2010 - 07:12 AM' timestamp='1268399870' post='2223325'] I remember being in the NoAH channel as statesman28 and talking about how awesome the cardinals were. Good times. [/quote] Haha, I remember that. Good times, and go Cardinals. [quote name=Omas Nams]Were always a nice group of people and was where I first spoke to DaveJohns iirc ?[/quote] Yes, Dave Johns was a member of NOAH before he ever went to Gramlins. He was an awesome Director of Finance in NOAH for a long time. EDIT: Thanks Chey

[quote name='Redeye gui' date='12 March 2010 - 12:57 AM' timestamp='1268377363' post='2223203'] Thank you Sir Sci... I always wondered if a final farewell was appropriate, but it seems like it was. There were some great people there... I miss them! [/quote] I kinda always wanted to say good bye. NOAH was a great alliance that I loved. We had a lot of good times, and I'm glad to see that many members of NOAH are going on in other alliances, doing well for themselves. Drop by and say hi every once in a while Redeye.

[IMG]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/Scihamarrmon/NOAHbanner.jpg[/IMG] On March 2, 2007 an alliance named Nations of Ascended Honor (NOAH) was founded. NOAH's goal was to hold itself to the standards of integrity, honor, and respect. NOAH's purpose was not to be a top tier alliance, or even a powerful alliance in any respect. The line that we often recited was "honour, not power." NOAH has long been dead. The last member was Philip the Great, who left the game a little while ago. This is simply a thread that I wish to create to honor its name, and its members that currently thrive elsewhere. These are the remaining members to the best of my knowing. Sir Sci of GATO, Greg23 of Outer Heaven, Eric Bunker of NEAT, axial of GATO, Kyle Whitewater of The Foreign Division, Redeye Gui of the CCC, and Nicolet Hax of the MHA. There may be others who have rerolled. Rest in Peace NOAH [IMG]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y291/Scihamarrmon/NOAHFlag.jpg[/IMG] [b][i]Nobilis Aeternoris Honorum[/i][/b]

The Scots Empire is fully in support of the Sovereign Brookbank and the rest of the GGA leadership. I believe that with such people as Byron, Roy_Mustang, and Dementual that the GGA has a better future than what any others would provide.

This is one fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine publication.

I greatly like your flag. Congratulations on your founding.

I'll turn 4 years in 8 days, but I actually kept one nation though that time instead of rerolling Cheyenne, I love you.

Congratulations! I look forward to a GGA that has regained its former glories!

I was like "what, this isn't signed by the current GGA government," and then looked at when the OP was. I got tricked by a gravedig. Wooooooooo.

Thanks guys! This has been a long time coming.

Congrats to my brown friends!

Congratulations to my conservative brethren.

A GATO sanction...it's beautiful! I've missed thee, oh thou bold typeface.

[quote name='DerekJones' date='01 March 2010 - 06:15 PM' timestamp='1267489142' post='2210491'] There really isn't another name to give to the actions of a few people to eradicate the charter and install themselves as leaders, especially after some of their proposals to install themselves as leaders were voted down by the membership before the coup. I'm not seeing a ton of support for these underhanded tactics to take control of an alliance in public spectrum, and a good deal of members are leaving, suggesting internal instability. The Grand Global Alliance has lost its charter, identity, and history as a result of this coup. The only thing you retain is a couple willing members, a lot of apathetic nations, and the name Grand Global Alliance, a name in which your claim to it is debatable at best. So, I'm really not sure how it's much of a renaissance. [/quote] Isn't the history of the GGA to have coups, and successful ones at that? If you want to restore the history, identity, and charter of the GGA, than bring back the Emperor and try and see if you can get P_C back somehow.

I don't know the other two well at all, but anything that includes Dementual is win. I support Dementual, and if he's a Triumvir of the GGA, then best of luck to 'em! EDIT: I think you need to find a way to get P_C back though, just for the lol of it.

[quote name='Penlugue Solaris' date='01 March 2010 - 02:00 PM' timestamp='1267473817' post='2210157'] I know all but Gearbox. Consider yourself harassed Gearbox, once I get back >_> [/quote] He's a newer member who has so far shown incredible competence, something you [s]don't[/s] see much of the time.