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[quote name='Kn1nJa' date='05 February 2010 - 09:48 PM' timestamp='1265435283' post='2163252'] I am not trying to make myself look like a super badass or anything like that. I am simply having way too much fun with this war, and have never had a 6 on 1 war before. What would YOU do in my situation if you were the lone alliance being declared on by 14, and you couldn't even get 3 people to attack you? Cut the excuses .... you guys just fail at war. The only alliance I respect so far in this is Nordreich. Not only were they able to mostly fill my slots, but they have proven that they know how to fight well (which makes it so much more fun). All I ask is for one little attacker. Is that too much to ask? [/quote] Looks like you got what you asked for:P [quote name='The AUT' date='05 February 2010 - 11:57 PM' timestamp='1265443066' post='2163978'] Hoka-hey! It's a good day to brag about being on the winning side of a curb-stomp and abandoning your allies who defended you last war for your other ones like you do every war! [/quote] [quote name='The AUT' date='06 February 2010 - 12:29 AM' timestamp='1265444964' post='2164052'] I've discussed it with them and told them I thought they were being played. Here you guys are, declaring war on their friends and allies and having zz shoot out at the mouth about how much damage he's going to cause. Repeatedly they've gone to bat for you, and not once have you supported them in militarily in any way. However they won't listen, and my signature is made out to the likes of you. It's one of the reasons why I dislike the allies of my allies but there's nothing I can do to change it. I just hope they learn from this repeated betrayal and treachery to be wiser in the future and know when they're getting played. Until then enjoy your playstations. [/quote] [quote name='The AUT' date='06 February 2010 - 12:51 AM' timestamp='1265446312' post='2164076'] Then congrats on defending the same side/ally every war. And they're in love for you for reasons I've no idea about. Seems like a one sided relationship. Then again the decisions my bloc has made time and time again has befuddled me so I won't even bother getting to know why they still feel that they should be allied to you. I guess pleading neutrality is harder to do than hitting an ally of an ally whom decided to take on alliances on the other "side" for you last war. But anyways change the stars, quick to forget, etc. Have fun, and just a heads up to PnL, I will stay out of this thread for your sake. But if you don't find a way to wake up from the sleep you're in, then I cannot help you and won't be bothered. [/quote] What in the heck are you talking about. Do you have any idea whatsoever of what you are talking about? We have treaties. Some havent changed in a while, others are new. I dont think I ever remember a time when we didnt come to the aid of our allies. I challenge you to give ONE example of us bailing on any of our allies? Just one.

Hoka Hey!!!! Lets get it on NV. Sorry Invicta

@#3 And \m/ attacked an entire alliance for ...fun? And @#4, I think you kinda clarified Grubs point. It is your channel, and no you dont have to have standards but, it is that very lack of standards that you choose not to enforce that makes you a bunch of immature twits as Grub has stated. Anyone who uses certain slang terms IS most likely racist deep down. And, even if they are not, the very fact that they use those words, words with a deep seated hatred tied to their very foundation, makes those people immature, ignorant, classless pieces of $#@! who dont give a damn about the harm that such words cause to this very day.

Generic as always I see, lol.

I wasnt intentionally omitting anything, I just didnt think we needed to rehash the same old argument again and again. GOONS didnt show the lack of respect that \m/ did, and PC was going to get pulled in anyway. GOONS didnt tell Grub to "bring it" either. Trying to use an argument against me that has already been addressed IS grabbing at straws in my books.

So, Grub threw racial slurs at you guys when you came to him with demands that he stop preying upon the defenseless and follow his own charter?

No, what I am saying is NV has enough class to not do the things that EVERYONE, well mostly anyway, agrees is unacceptable, because we too agree, that those things are unacceptable.

LOL. Keep grabbing straws, the fact is you cant argue with my actual argument can you? Nice try but \m/ was the only alliance to show how classless they really are. As has been stated, in multiple threads I might add, that GOONS didnt spit in Grubs face when confronted over the incident. \m/ did. And, as for PC, Im pretty sure NpO was expecting they would join, even welcoming it with open arms. So, no I dont look silly. Nice try. Id like to ask you a question MM, and although it might be a tad rhetorical, Id like to hear what you have to say on it nonetheless. You guys keep saying that this war is about how NpO just doesnt like you and it has nothing to do with FoA, right? Well, my question is, WHY does NpO hate you guys? Could it be because you prey upon innocent alliances AND show 0 respect when confronted by a foreign diplomat? Could it be because you guys have shown no signs of changing such?

No, might does not necessarily make right. I never said that, but nice try with the linking Polar to Pacifica line of BS you like preaching. But lets get back to the subject matter. You admit that FoA was defenseless against \m/. Im going to stretch a bit and say that was probably WHY you decided to raid a 30 man alliance. Now, NpO decides, "you wanna know what, we dont like people who prey on the defenseless. Oh wait, look. \m/ looks pretty defenseless themselves. I knew I didnt like them for a reason." NpO then attacks you, according to you, for the SAME reason you attacked FoA. Awwwwww... poor defenseless \m/ getting a taste of their own medicine. Quit crying you big babies and just take whats coming to you, you've been asking for it and you even did the EXACT SAME thing to another alliance, which happened to be what started all of this. You guys all keep saying that the FoA incident is just an excuse, well guess what, you should have known better than to give NpO an excuse to destroy you if that's the case. In the end, I think it's a pretty good excuse dont you?

See, here's the thing. We in NV, are not so stupid as to do something the general public deems criminal and offensive. We have enough decency to abide by a certain code of conduct, which includes not spitting in a foreign rulers face, whether that be in our own channel or in theirs. Disrespecting a foreign leader is still disrespecting a foreign leader, regardless of the location. Also, declaring war on a defenseless opponent is still declaring war on a defenseless opponent, regardless of if both the CB and DoW is "tech raid."

LOL, and we dont need people like you running around thinking they can do whatever they want, to whoever they want, without consequences. Its plain and simple here \m/, you do what you like, and if you piss someone off bigger than you, be prepared to get stomped on. Grub isnt trying to tell you what you can and can not do. He's trying to show you what happens when you do what you did. Tech raiding an "alliance" that "could not defend themselves"? Stay classy \m/.

I know this is a little late but, Thank You!

I still disagree, IMHO that was a totally different situation. ADI has not suffered under the boot heels of RoK, now have they? RoK is also not the leader of the most powerful alliance in the game(at the time) who was bullying and forcing people out of the game(in actuality, not simply expressing a supposed desire for such in some faked logs) while at he same time PZI'ing anyone who dared oppose them. Maybe in a very generalized way the situations are similar, but when you look at the details of the 2 situations they are totally different. But whatever. I think you kinda stated my point, that Warbuck is not exactly "noble" in his intentions, quite the opposite in fact. The other stuff about war I dont really care about and wasnt commenting on. Although I do believe this isnt over for ADI, Mr Warbuck has assured them of such. Welcome to the next global war guys, better hope you are on the winning side. Even then you still might be destroyed as meat shields, have fun. I think you mis-quoted me there, it was "what I believe is right". I was simply expressing my opinion and reasoning for speaking out on their "stirring of the pot" as it were. I realized that you were kind of joking, but you were kind of implying that my reasoning for speaking out against ADI was due to some desire for world peace, I just wanted to correct you on that.

yes, and I was pointing out that TPF's side wasnt as small as what you were suggesting Totally different situation and you know it. No Im not "new". I may not be as old as you are and definitely am not as well known, thank admin, but Ive been around for quite some time, even longer than my current incarnation would suggest. And, yes I know log dumps are nothing new. What I didnt like about this particular log dump is the reasoning and the timing. They tried to get RoK rolled plain and simple. An alliance that not 2 days previous would have gone to bat for them, and without RoK having anything more than cut diplomatic relations with them, they go and log dump, probably faking the logs, in an attempt to harm those that helped them become what they are today. You can argue that RoK threatened them, but in the end the only concrete action taken against them was the treaty cancellation. Man thats a slap in the face isnt it? "They cancelled our treaty, oh no*gasp*. Ok lets get them rolled." Great friends they are, lol. I do not stand for "world peace". I stand for helping and supporting those who I call friends, and those that have helped my nation to get where it is today. I stand for honor and friendship above all else. That is why I speak out against ADI, not because of some mythical idea of world peace. I speak out against them because what they did goes against what i believe is right.

I didnt think FEAR or MHA were mentioned in those logs?

Whoops, yeah I meant protector, lol. Also, I want to add that I have no ties to RoK in any way shape or form. I do not know anyone from RoK, my alliance does not have any treaties with RoK(that I could find on our forums anyway), and I have no reason to defend or stand up for them. I just see the whole log dump business as being a knife in the back regardless of what alliances were involved. In fact, I think they were one of the alliances that jumped us in the NoCB war. I just cant believe you guys promoted the guy that almost got you rolled, which you would have been, had the war played out and peace had not been declared. And, as always I speak for myself and not my alliance.

But, you didnt JUST withdraw support now did you? You decided it would be "fun" to stir the pot, then log dumped to RoK's enemies in an attempt to get them rolled. Doesnt matter if the logs are faked or not. You still tried to get your former protectorate rolled. I realize Hoo may have said he didnt want anything to do with you after that, but guess what, he was probably pissed. If you had given it time, he may have warmed up to you again. But no, instead you make a rash decision and try to get them rolled. And Im sure TPF's allies were in waiting too right? The numbers didnt add up to a curbstomp. How is log dumping to get your former protectorate rolled "having a conscience"? Ill say it again, it doesnt matter if the logs were faked or not, they were given to your former protectorate's enemies in an attempt to get them rolled. Doesnt matter if faked or not, some conversations are meant to be private, and keeping them that way after a minor falling out, would have shown a lot of respect. You're right, we all have all the evidence needed to come to a single conclusion; you log dumped to get RoK rolled. His feelings against the perceived curbstomp must have been pretty strong to drive him to try to have RoK rolled for it.

Are you sure you dont still have it backwards? For example, wouldnt it be more like this: The "cause" of the war being "person A spies on person B" - This is what actually "caused" person B to want to go to war Then person B uses "person B finds spying to be extremely unethical and feels violated because of this. Therefore they declare war as a means of defending their intellectual property." as their "case" to go to war - This is what is presented to the masses to plead his "case" No?

Isnt that the truth, lol. Nice post. Also, you guys sooo should have called yourselves the BBC, that would have been so awesome.

So, are you saying the intent of the Coincidence Coalition, from the get go, was to simply get peace for TPF, and NOT to do any actual fighting? Moral support for the purposes of negotiations? And, as such they were gloriously successful in their campaign, as evidenced by TPF getting peace within 24 hours? By extension(and speculation) that would also mean that RoK was not declared upon in order to avoid global escalation. If you could provide any proof of this my man, I would applaud all of the alliances that made up the CC for their valiant diplomatic effort, in a war where diplomacy seemed to be thrown out the window.

Like the sig, lol. Maybe thats what we should call this fiasco, WWE, worst war ever, lol. Dammit!!! My orders were to hold until further notice

I second that motion, or third it if the other response counts as a second, lol.

Well, this is surprising yet pleasing. Congrats to all involved.

Lol, love how you leave out the name on the second quote, as if it was Owned who said it.

But, the fact that they said "this isnt going anywhere" when it quite obviously was, shows that they did not care where the negotiations were going. They now have their allies, and they now want their pound of flesh You're making the "assumption" that Athens didnt take the talks seriously. Also, from what Ive read Londo was there the whole time, just didnt respond right away. Ill say it again, the fact that Desperado left saying "this isnt going anywhere" when it quite clearly was, shows they no longer cared for peace. Umm, no its not a little late. TPF conspired to destroy Athens from the inside out. That is an aggressive action. Id be extremely pissed if I found out that another alliance was seeking the destruction of not only my nation, but my home. At that point emotion would have taken over and I can see why they attacked first. Just because they attacked "in game" first, it still doesnt change the fact that TPF not only wanted to go to war with Athens, they wanted to destroy them from the inside out. If not for the falling out they may have continued with their plan, regardless of the end of the Karma war. No one can say for sure. I think this whole war is foolishness. The diplomacy from both sides has been lacking. But, at this point in time, I see TPF as being the ones who want to escalate things. If this whole mess is not sorted out tonight, or in the next day or 2, Im guessing we are all going to find out who it is that really wants this war, as judging by the way things have gone so far, someone is going to release the logs of the negotiations, if there is any. Edit:grammar